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So 14% of men still contracted HIV after using it during unprotected sex? So that between 1-2 in 10. Those odds are way way too high for me to gamble with. The report also never stated what other STD's the other 86% contacted during that time?
Do those stats make you comfortable having unprotected sex with people who's status you are unaware of? That's a yes or no, answer? Please?
Actually I just re-read the stats again - so before you come back with it, let me just check.
So in the second group 2 men out of the group taking the drug contracted HIV - so that was 2 out of 272, giving a 1:135% chance? Is that right. Still too risky for me. The US study showed 2 in 200, so a 1:100 chance of contacting HIV.
So my original questions stands, those odds are good for you? What about other STD's?
^ That is GREAT for me. Those men were only taking the drug 4 times a week as opposed to every single day. In studies with serodiscordant partners (one poz one neg) NO ONE contracted HIV. There are still 50k new HIV infections in the USA every year. Two thirds are men who have sex with men. Obviously, I am not calling Tgirls men, but it's the same category and risk group. A condom only strategy DOESN'T WORK.
STD's are endemic in this population as well. I don't have a good answer for you, except I am willing to accept being treated multiple times for STD's in my lifetime.
Would taking Truvada help? Yes probably, but you are here preaching it like it is the end all cure for HIV wich it is not let alone other STD's. Quite frankly I find your posts quite disgusting and offensive
Your going to waste your time, arguing with Wes and furthermore you should always be prudent about your health and really speak to more than one person in the medical field and do your own research. What Wes hasn't told people is that the groups that are being studied in most studies are considered high risk groups due to the fact that as a whole the groups tend to engage regularly in unprotected sex and sex that will be more likely for someone to obtain HIV. So its just not men who have sex with men, but men who purposely/knowingly have unprotected sex regularly.
Can you blame Wes, he has been given a drug he believes will give him the sexual freedom he has long been seeking. I mean who wouldn't want a drug capable of stopping HIV. The reality, its not a hundred percent and they are still trying to discover how effective it really is under various circumstances. It might prove to be as good as they say it is, but one thing for sure I rather they work out the kinks and actually have a full understanding of how it works. And that is why they need people like Wes participating in a study. They will truly test the effectiveness of the drug.
Here is thing, am I surprised that at the number of effectiveness in the article, no [I actually read that study a long while back]. The drug Truvada has been used to treat HIV. Meaning some people who have HIV take Truvada to fight HIV. In fact the other drug by Gilead, both used in the treatment of HIV is now up for approval by the FDA for Prep use as well. Truvada has also been used in post exposure treatment as a way to help a person who had a high exposure experience (unprotected one night stand) stop HIV from getting a foothold. In fact, the body actually fights HIV, it is when the number present in the body is high that you are pretty much in trouble.
Sexual health does not only mean HIV it incorporates other stds that can cause serious problems. While many focus on HIV, not many realize a person who has a std may not exhibit symptoms and think their health is fine. Just because you feel fine, doesn't mean you are fine. Leading to other complications. HIV loves to work in conjunction with other stds and Truvada does not prevent them. In fact, one of the growing stds while curable is not something many people are aware of and is growing among msm (men who have sex with men) is syphilis. Its a disease you can have it for a long time before it becomes active causing some serious problems.
You yourself have to be prudent about your health and the risks you are willing to take. A person who exercise care in their sexual health has a good chance of enjoying many good years of sex. Truvada is a drug if used in the proper context can help extend your sexual experience. However it is for you decide what activities might needed the added protection in case of things going bad. I think Truvada can be very helpful, but it only helps protect (not stop) against one thing.
I want everyone to be able to share their stories of the sexual experiences for years to come.
Even if you take Truvada, you're still urged to take safe sex precautions, like using a condom in addition. Truvada is not a stand-alone substitute for wrapping it up. Whether you take Truvada or not, you're still a fool if you take it up the ass unprotected or giving it to someone up the ass unprotected.
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So, what would you say to those serodiscordant couples who do that on a routine basis?
That just about says it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Westheangelino
Done with this shit! :shrug
As though contracting an STD is some rare and horrific thing that happens to only the most promiscuous barebackers? What reality are you living in, sir?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
Way to miss the point, genius! :shrugQuote:
Originally Posted by Westheangelino
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Originally Posted by Westheangelino
"one day on PrEP led to a 75 to 91 risk reduction, three days meant a 95 to 97 percent risk reduction, and five and seven days translated to a 98 to 99 percent risk reduction."
Do you like those odds? So every time you have sex you're talking up to 2% chance of catching HIV? Too risky for me.
Actually, that is an excellent number. Don't go and look up the odds for other things, you will lose sleep. The medical field never likes to use the number a 100%. Truvada is used to treat HIV, in fact people who use Truvada and few other drugs can get their virus count down till their virus load is undetectable and is almost impossible (pretty much impossible) to give someone HIV. A lot of people are against the drug, but what concerns me is that some people who are against the drug still engage in high risk behaviors any ways. I think condom and prep is a good combo. Prep of course takes time to build. Now what I am waiting to see is how the drug affects people over a period of time. There have been numerous cases of people have liver trouble over 5-10 years of using Truvada and I am sure it will hold true in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
Like I said Truvada is not a new drug, it is just being used in a new application. Nor will it prevent you from getting other STD's. I have to admit the early studies have been very promising, but again its the early studies. So as usual time will tell. I won't knock its effectives, because it has proven in the pass to be effective.
Still your sexual health begins and ends with you. So for those who occasionally engage in high risk behavior or think that topping is safe enough, because their partner doesn't do drugs or other things. I would heavily recommend using this in conjunction of seeking safer sex practices. The rates for HIV among transgender is rising and Truvada with condoms can be a great help.
West before you say condoms are bad. The reality of the fact is that people are more engaged in having unprotected sex then they were before especially since the horrors of HIV when in the 80's is in the past. With better medicine and health, HIV is not looked upon as a death threat in many people's eyes. Still people engage in high risk behavior and changing attitudes have lead to increase to an incurable disease. Yes people find bareback sex to be enjoyable, and many people engage in it, however Truvada use will not end HIV alone and their other stds that are becoming more difficult to cure as antibiotic resistant strains are becoming more common.
Lifetime of herpes flare-ups?Quote:
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"Incurable" gonorrhea hits North American shores"
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At least nine Canadian patients have contracted a strain of "incurable" gonorrhea, according to a study released on Jan. 7 in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
Researchers found that nine of the 133 patients with gonorrhea who were treated at a Toronto clinic still had the disease after being treated with the oral antibiotic cephalosporins. This marks the first time that cephalosporin-resistant gonorrhea has been found on the continent.
"We've heard of such cases in Asia and Europe. Now it's happening in North America," Dr. Robert Kirkcaldy, medical epidemiologist in the Division of STD Prevention at CDC's National Center for HIV/AIDS, Viral Hepatitis, STD, and TB Prevention, said to NPR. "It's very concerning."
Gonorrhea is a sexually transmitted infection caused by the Neisseria gonorrhoeae bacteria. It can be spread through contact with the mouth, vagina, penis or anus and thrives in warm, moist areas of the body.
Symptoms in men include burning and pain while urinating, increased urinary frequency or urgency, penis discharge, red or swollen opening of the penis, tender or swollen testicles and/or a sore throat. Women experience vaginal discharge, burning and pain while urinating, increased urination, sore throat, painful sexual intercourse, pain in the lower abdomen and fever. Arthritis-like symptoms and rashes can occur if the infection has spread in to the blood stream.
Health care providers in the U.S. are required by law to tell the State Board of Health about anyone they have found that has contracted the bacteria so the patients can get the proper follow-up care and alert their sexual partners. However, out of the more than 700,000 people in the United States who get new gonorrhea infections each year, less than half of these infections are reported to CDC.
The cephalosporins-resistant strain has been going around globally. In June 2012, the World Health Organization warned doctors about the potential problem, and urged medical professionals to keep a closer eye on the disease. They felt that in a couple of years gonorrhea could potentially be resistant to all treatment currently available.
- World Health Organization warns of gonorrhea strain resistant to antibiotics
- Gonorrhea superbug? Scientists fear spread of antibiotic-resistant strain
However, all nine patients in the study were eventually cured. Six were treated with an injectable antibiotic called ceftriaxone and the last three had to take twice the usual dose of cephalosporins. This led some scientists to question if the latter really had the cephalosporin-resistant strain, the CBC reported.
Lead author Dr. Vanessa Allen, a medical microbiologist and infectious diseases consultant with Public Health Ontario, told NPR that the takeaway still remains that people should be cautious about antibiotic overuse.
"We need to rethink our strategy of antibiotic use," Allen said. "We don't have luxury of just switching to another antibiotic (for gonorrhea)."
"Incurable" gonorrhea hits North American shores"
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Incurable Gonorrhea Threat Forces Drug Change
Shot Now Needed to Cure Common Sexually Transmitted Disease
WebMD News Archive
Aug. 10, 2012 -- Gonorrhea just got a little more painful to treat -- but at least it's still treatable.
For now, at least. The common sexually transmitted disease has become resistant to all but one class of antibiotic: the cephalosporins. An alarming worldwide rise in resistance even to these last-ditch drugs raises the specter of untreatable gonorrhea.
To buy time, the CDC this week changed a recommended U.S. treatment. Instead of getting a single Suprax (cefixime) pill, patients now should be treated with a shot of ceftriaxone antibiotic and one of two oral antibiotics (azithromycin or doxycycline).
That's not all. Patients now should return to their health care provider a week later to make sure they're cured. Anyone still infected likely carries drug-resistant gonorrhea and needs further treatment.
"This change is a critical preemptive strike to preserve ... our last proven treatment option," said Kevin Fenton, MD, director of the CDC's National Center for HIV/AIDS, Viral Hepatitis, STD, and TB Prevention. "Changing how we treat infections now may buy the time needed to develop new treatment options."
Gonorrhea can very quickly become resistant to antibiotics. In the last decade alone, the bug became resistant to the fluoroquinolone antibiotics that used to cure the disease.
When that happened, the CDC first saw resistant gonorrhea in the western U.S. among gay and bisexual men. Ominously, that same pattern now is being seen for cephalosporins.
About 700,000 Americans carry gonorrhea bacteria. Fewer than half of them know it. Although many men and women have symptoms -- discharge and/or a burning sensation during urination -- many do not. That's why sexually active gay and bisexual men and at-risk women should be tested for gonorrhea (and other STDs) at least once a year.
To avoid gonorrhea:
- Abstain from sex.
- Have sex only with one partner -- a partner that has sex only with you.
- Correctly use condoms every time you have sex.
If you do have gonorrhea symptoms, get treated right away. And a week after treatment, get tested to make sure of a cure.
Slideshow: Pictures and Facts About STDs
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Condoms are not an effective barrier against Herpes infection. Also, 1 in 6 adults in the USA have it. It's not that big a deal. http://www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/stdfact-herpes.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
A fair point, but on "other things" you generally don't have a choice. With HIV you can decide whether to protect yourself more, or risk up to 1:50 chance of getting HIV (given other factors are there) by relying just on that. If Wes is happy enough to take those risks, then I respect that as his preference. No sexual contact is without risks and we all have to decide based on the best current evidence for our own risk factors. What I dislike is his evangelism of this drug, which is why I counter his blind faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by lifeisfiction
If the probability of HIV transfer, using a PrEP, on a single exposure is 0.02, then the probability of no transfer is 0.98. The probability of no transference during a run of 52 exposures is 0.98 to the 52nd power; i.e. approximately 0.35. So if you are exposed once a week for a year there is a 65% chance of acquiring the virus by year's end.
This was all hashed over before in prior threads. More detail here http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...=1#post1548890
Even with statistics, the medical field gets weird. I was surprise to find that there has only been 3 confirmed cases of HIV transfer by oral during . Even the circumstances surrounded them is sort of weird and questionable. Doctors like statistics, but you have to look what happens in the real world. (Scientist believe there is something in the saliva that inhibits HIV.)
Now there is something to be aware of with Truvada. If you do not wait till the full dosage and fail to maintain the daily dosage and if you contract HIV, then Truvada will not be part of your drug regime at all. The virus will be immune to its effects
If what I read is correct, then the numbers under Truvada at full dosage would pretty close to 100%. They won't say 100%, because of the fear of anomalies. It was shocking to see people fail to maintain the daily dosage.
I believe the drug is very effective and is probably and excellent protection against HIV. The concern I have is the side effects. I don't think people understand how much problems it cause to people using the drug, Liver damage and other related liver problems is really problematic. I am talking about after 5 years of use. Most people won't see the side effects now, but when it hits, it can be pretty bad. And how do we know, because HIV+ patients who take the drug suffer from it. So only time will tell to what the side effects will look.
And again there are things to worry about besides HIV, there are many of STDs. Still I urge people to use something. Its better than nothing. I mean with all this information its sad the HIV rate is rising. Especially in the transgender community. Makes not sense.
And Steven, I agree the way he is preaching Truvada, he talks about it as gospel. Its all fun and games till it burns when you piss.
This has probably already been posted but here goes anyway.
http://www.truvada.com/truvada-side-effects
"Just taking TRUVADA may not keep you from getting HIV-1. You must continue using safer sex practices while you are taking TRUVADA to reduce your risk of getting HIV-1. To further reduce your risk of getting HIV-1:
Get tested for other sexually transmitted infections. Other infections make it easier for HIV-1 to infect you.
Get information and support to help reduce risky sexual behavior.
Have fewer sex partners.
Do not miss any doses of TRUVADA. Missing doses may increase your risk of getting HIV-1 infection."
Plenty more info also on that site.
What do you guys think.
Surprised no one here especially "Natina" has not posted this one.
Article
http://www.vice.com/read/has-porn-be...-safer-sex-293
Video
https://www.vice.com/video/stopping-...ion-part-1-111
Regardless what you think of the drug's efficacy, this is huge.
http://laist.com/2015/06/10/la_will_...on_drug_to.php
Did this automatically merge into this thread or did a mod open the link i posted, read it, and think it was just another cheerleading post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tapatio
Smh either way.
Don't worry Tapatio its a good thing you did with making the information available. People think those who use the drug are mostly like Wes, where in reality its not. I think Truvada is for people who have multiple partners that are not aware of their background. If something was to go bad it's there as an added layer. I think its huge for people who once in awhile will forgo the condom and those who with their new partners have unprotected sex before they are really sure of the sexual health.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tapatio
The people who are acquiring HIV are not always from the high risk group. Its providing excellent protection and its better to have something then nothing.
The new infection rates have to come down a lot (it is so high) and I don't think people realize how bad the numbers have been.
I merged it, I didn't think it was a cheerleading thread/post but IMHO it fits better into here (along with the preceding post) to inform and continue the debate.
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Hell yes for la county!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As a sub-male, "wood" i be able to safely perform oral sex and/or receive anal... with someone that was taking Truvada, "butt" i was unaware of it??? Thanks!
Starting to see TRUVADA commercials on the tele now....
I've seen them as well. But all the actors in the commercial are either gay, trans or black. Hmmmm. Does that mean chasers are safe?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
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Any sign of their poster boy Westheangelino in the ads, or have they dumped him for being useless?...:dead:Quote:
Originally Posted by gaysian71
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Originally Posted by Laphroaig
He got AIDS.
Yes, he did pass away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laphroaig
If you look at his profile page here, there's a Facebook link.
Go to his Facebook link, and you'll see that Westhangelino has passed away....
Fucking hell. Live hard, die young I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
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Originally Posted by MrFanti
Ouch - I was being facetious - do you have a link to his FB?
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Originally Posted by GroobySteven
https://www.facebook.com/wesgerald
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Originally Posted by MrFanti
That's pretty heavy - and apologies for my bad taste 'humour'.
I wasn't a fan of his but sad to see any young person go suddenly and leave behind so many friends.
RIP....Looks like Westheangelino was correct.
Starting to see Truvada PrEP commercials on TNT and a couple of other channels...
it’s not without side effectsQuote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
https://www.drugs.com/sfx/truvada-side-effects.html
More Common
- Blisters under the skin
- body aches or pain
- chills
- difficulty in breathing
- ear and nasal congestion
- fever
- loss of voice
- pain or tenderness around the eyes and cheekbones
- rash with flat lesions or small raised lesions on the skin
- redness of the skin
- runny nose
- sore throat
- spots on your skin resembling a blister or pimple
- unusual tiredness or weakness
Sorry to hear that westangelino passed away.
I NEVER said there weren't any side effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by dakota87
That being said, pretty much ALL prescription medication has side effects.....