Id agree with that. That is a whole other conversation that could span a lifetime though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
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Id agree with that. That is a whole other conversation that could span a lifetime though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
If you do not want to be or use the services of a prostitute/escort, fine, but why degrade them? They are usually providing very good service to people and giving them exactly what they pay for. I always thought it was one of the most honest professions ever.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
I have met women working as escorts that I definitely consider high class. I have also met high-ranking executives, male and female, that are not just low-class but certifiable sociopaths...
Class has nothing to do with money.
Or how we earn it.
And we are not all valuable, spiritual beings.
Character is demonstrated by how we behave when no one is looking...and how we treat those who cannot benefit us in some material fashion.
Refer to Bill Hicks if you are struggling with any of the above.
There are plenty of working girls who are certifiable sociopaths though. When I read the OP, someone who drops their friends and family to do become an escort certainly sounds to me like a person without moral conscience or resposibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Janet77
Again referring to the OP, I believe the guy is a bit sour about the situation he's describing, but I think the point he was making is that escorts are always looking to benefit from someone in a material fashion? i.e they are always on the hustle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plaything
lol there is no class on a weekend like Jamie french says and ive never concerned myself with trying to be posh i am who i am and people might look down on it but fuck them
Class is a weird thing. Being rich is not class, nor being blue blooded is class (those folks think they are born with it, lol), but I have seen people from all walks of life who handle themselves with a distinct class and honor by virtue of their character.
"high class" prostitute/escort is like saying shit can be served on a bun or in a gourmet plate.
it is still shit.
No offense to sex workers i.e. prostitutes/escorts/companions but it is what it is. no sugarcoating. You're a prostitute, nothing more , nothing less.
You say no offense...but you use shit on a bun as a metaphor.Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
Listen, everyone's entitled to an opinion..and since you have 'transadmirer and friend next to your picture, I could assume you might take some type of political stance, such as - escorting (and perhaps other type of adult work) is hurting the image of the trans-community...or whatever.
But why come on a site where the majority of the girls are in some type of adult business and make comments like that?
hell, I think people that make comments like that are assholes
no offense to assholes.
We'd first need to define class. If it means people who are fundamentally honest and treat others fairly, then yes. If it means people who are well armored against unfair and hypocritical judgment by others then no.
The reality here, in fact, is...Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
You are an escort.
Nothing less
Thank you.
My world is a better place because you are in it.
x
No, i'm saying that classifying an escort as "high class" vs a street walker is pointless. there's no sugarcoating the term "prostitution", they're still selling their body for money, which i consider demeaning and inhumane.Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41
the term "high class" in itself is a very putrid statement to begin with.
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Originally Posted by my my my!
"which i consider demeaning and inhumane." - what part of it is demeaning and inhumane? Explain please? What do you do for a living?
To be specific, they sell sex...By your definition, anyone who's ever had a wage packet has sold their bodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
So I guess we're all whores! :hide-1:
The rest's just marketing! :shrug
It is only our vastly flawed nature which allows us to sell our bodies for financial gain. Therefore it is a very human thing to do. It is demeaning to yourself because as soon as you sell your body people no longer respect you whether its your friends, family or your clients.Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
I also concur that the term escort and prostitute are synonymous with each other, an escort is simply a more expensive prostitute. I think the point of this thread is probably to discuss the sugarcoating that goes on around this, especially in some of the advertising we see these days.
I have dated, been friends with, and seen escorts in a business capacity over the years. A number of which have described themselves as high class in their ads. One recent example conversation with a " High Class " friend went like so:
Me: Why do you like me?
Her: I like guys with shaved heads, and stubble, its hot ... that and arab looking guys.
Me: I thought you hated arab guys?
Her? When did I say that?
Me: Well anytime you tell me about weirdos following you home or trying to chat you up at a train station or something you always say they're arab and they're weird.
Her: Oh yeah, I see what you mean, ... but thats just the poor ones.
She also told me about her best friend sleeping with his brother and felt that was acceptable, as long as it didn't affect her. A high class individual?
the intimacy of love and sex are a sacred part of the human psyche in my opinion. to be touched and be penetrated, or penetrate a stranger , for the simple act of survival is what i consider demeaning (getting money to pay bills from that)Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
there's people that voluntarily get into the sex biz, and that's their prerogative. Just like i'm ALLOWED to have my opinion about it being demeaning. If they want to continue doing it, I don't lose sleep any over it, but it does not change my opinion.
Now,I know people are going to bring up the "blah blah blah, other jobs can be just as demeaning, blah blah blah" and to a certain extent I see their viewpoint, but to me it is very different doing a shitty job, and selling your body. sorry, but that's the way i feel.
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Originally Posted by my my my!
In my opinion' there's nothing wrong with getting paid to do something you enjoy doing
Its also my opinion' its demeaning to earn money doing something you hate doing ;)
What is it you do for a living?
so, there's nothing wrong with a drug dealer making money, as long as he enjoys doing it?Quote:
Originally Posted by AshlynCreamher
i'm the CEO of a successful company that I founded.
Well take Grooby Steven for example: he too is a CEO of a successful company. Only problem is; HE HATES EVERY WAKING MOMENT OF IT - by chance he's been forced into a life where he is constantly surrounded by beautiful people and has to suffer from the unknown of what could had been :(Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
This is a perfect example of what it means to demean yourself!
I don't agree with your view but every person I've talked to who considers sex work degrading considers the sex worker to be a victim. Why then would you go out of your way to insult people you think are exploited?Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
Your comment was not the paternalistic one seeking to protect people from exploitation but a fairly obvious and unnecessary insult.
The next question I have is: can someone have class and do something demeaning? Even if sex work is demeaning (and as others have said I don't think it is any more demeaning than other work), why would that preclude sex workers from behaving with class?
A putrid statement? What does that mean? You can't say someone is not high class if you can't even agree on a meaning for the term. I have a feeling you've only said what you've said to insult others..no deep convictions, very little grasp of what's moral and what's not, but a lot of self-satisfied bs.Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
Some of the best people I have ever met are hookers . I love them!
I have a feeling you're an idiot, if you don't understand the meaning of a putrid statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
I'm not out to protect anybody. they're adults and can fend for themselves. If they voluntarily enter the sex worker industry, the consequences are there for them and those who frequent them. I still think it is degrading, demeaning, and demoralizing to some extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
If they "like" doing it, more power to them, Still does not make them "better" or higher class than a street walker, sorry.
I understand what it means in isolation. I have no clue what the phrase's putrid-ness has to do with your answer to the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
As I said, I've never heard of anyone who calls prostitution dehumanizing and then decides it best to insult the people you think have been dehumanized. This would be akin to saying, "you know coal miners face all sorts of threats to their health and often have a reduced life expectancy.......what assholes." But each to their own.
You say that while on a porn forum? You can throw porn stars into your thinking as they sell their bodies for money. If its so degrading, demeaning and demoralizing then why are you on a porn forum?Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
Very Important concepts here: Suppose that you are born into a wealthy family...so you have an inheritance, let's say, $1.000.000. You are kind of protected....you have time...to be what you want to be.
Suppose, on the other hand, you are poor, or relatively so...any yet you are different...what are your choices???? Perhaps you are forced to become a provider...to get coin.
Here is the rub, however...it matters not, unless and until something happens or snaps inside the provider, wherein they are changed, hardened, to such an extent that they can no longer react to "true love" or they are so trapped by the high income they might earn that they can not leave the provider business UNTIL it is TOO LATE to be able to enjoy True Love, and the freedom that only true love can bring to life.
"How many roads must a Man walk down, Before they call him a man??"
"How may tricks must a provider provide, before she is destroyed to such an extent that she could never quit and be happy??"
The theory here, of course, is that, when you think about any of this, you realize that whether anyone is straight, or gay or trans or whatever, real happiness seems to encompass only a very few concepts, and they really are all of the same category...This idea of class misses the point of happiness...nothing is desired on earth but happiness, itself...If you are on the way to the point where you are being destroyed by what you do, to the extent thay you may never again be happy, they you really are in trouble, whether you might be identified as a person with class.
Yeah...Poor bastard!Quote:
Originally Posted by AshlynCreamher
I'll have to offer to take the load off one day!
If you're feeling down depressed and lonely
I know a place where we can go
22 Acacia Avenue meet a lady that I know
So if you're looking for a good time
And you're prepared to pay the price
Fifteen quid is all she asks for
Everybody's got their vice
If you're waiting for a long time for the rest to do their piece
You can tell her that you know me and you might even get it free
So any time you're down the East End don't you hesitate to go
You can take my honest word for it she'll teach you more than you can know
Charlotte can't you get out from all this madness
Can't you see it only brings you sadness
When you entertain your men don't know the risk of getting disease
Some day when you're reaching the age of forty
I bet you'll regret the days when you were laying
Nobody then will want to know
You won't have any beautiful wares to show any more
22, the avenue that's the place where we all go
You will find it's warm inside the red light's burning bright tonight
Charlotte isn't it time you stopped this mad life
Don't you ever think about the bad times
Why do you have to live this way
Do you enjoy your lay or is it the pay
Sometimes when your strolling down the avenue
The way you walk it make men think of having you
When you're walking down the street
Everybody stops and turns to stare at you
Beat her mistreat her do anything that you please
Bite her excite her make her get down on her knees
Abuse her misuse her she can take all that you've got
Caress her molest her she always does what you want
You're running away don't you know what you're doing
Can't you see it'll lead you to ruin
Charlotte you've taken your life and you've thrown it away
You believe that because what you're earning
Your life's good don't you know that you're hurting
All the people that love you don't cast them aside
All the men that are constantly drooling
It's no life for you stop all that screwing
You're packing your bags and you're coming with me
Oh if only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
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Originally Posted by my my my!
You should be sorry. You're a sorry, judgmental individual. You should be sorry because your already damaged through your own morals put upon you when you were younger. You should be sorry because you know very little about life and people. You're just pretty a sorry individual.
And no, you're not allowed to have that opinion.
Seriously... what use is being high class if it prevents you from selling sex? Sounds like a shitty way to live.
I'm not going to be happy until I'm completely devoid of class... if only because it seems to bug retards who have everything figured out.
Now where'd I put my GG Allin Instructional Video?
To be honest, I though that the U.S. was an almost classless society.
Does it matter though? Not to me but then again I'm British and we have a totally different view of the class system.
I love the video of the 11y.o. kid singing and playing DIE WHEN YOU DIE song , good lyrics for a kid LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Jamie French
Funny. An american calling people retarded. Especially someone from Texas. Possibly one of the most backward hick places on the planet. Pot kettle and black comes to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie French
You haven't been here long enough to start this shit. Tread lightly and don't be a tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlos Cain
I didn't start anything, someone else did when they started to throw around words like retard.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
And now you're being a retard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlos Cain
I disagree.