It would be statistically irresponsible to assume extraterrestrial life does not exist. The likelihood is too high. As far as them visiting the Earth, who knows.
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It would be statistically irresponsible to assume extraterrestrial life does not exist. The likelihood is too high. As far as them visiting the Earth, who knows.
Maybe he'd heard of Oxford University and wasn't that impressed:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
I’m sorry, but I’m just so confused. You tell me a whole solar system passed through what was to be our solar system. It swept through once, and was apparently going slow enough to be pulled back and passed through again.
Okay. You weren’t there taking notes, so maybe there was only one pass. Nevertheless, another star passing right through our solar system is not an unimportant event. One single planet might tweak the orbits of a few other planets if it came within their gravitational influence...but every planet would be within the influence of second, passing star. Wow-an stellar interloper would be incredible! Since stellar distances are so vast and the momentum of the interloping system was slow enough to allow for the gravitational interactions you describe, one would expect the star would still be shining brightly in our neighborhood today... with Nibiru still in tow.Quote:
What i have read is that when Nibiru's solar system passed though what was to become our solar system, one of Nibiru's moons collided with Tiamat and caused it to split into two. Then, miilleniums later, when the Nibiru solar system, again, passed through our solar system, Nibiru struck the two pieces and that created the Earth, the asteroid belt and the comets we see.
Or maybe all of that happened even during the SAME Nibiru passing, i wasn't there taking notes.
Lo, when I watched the Sacred YouTubes I found no mention of another solar system passing through ours. They do mention a planet Nibiru which is part of our solar system which follows an elongated orbit (which appears in the Sacred YouTubes to be roughly in the plane of ecliptic). They show that Nibiru got so close to the planet Tiamat that one its moons collided with Tiamat and tore into two pieces etc. etc. Lucky for us the Anunnaki were there to see it all, and they did take notes.
So what am I to believe? One pass or two passes? Just a planet or a whole solar system? I didn’t say any of this didn’t happen (yet). Whatever happened definitely happened, I can’t deny that. But now we have two different versions. On one hand a planet, or the other a whole solar system. It’s so confusing? But clearly, whatever happened happened. Right?
Okay, I forgive you. You obviously made a mistake. When you were writing the post you remembered solar system, but clearly you misremembered. The Sacred YouTubes say it was just a planet. No harm done. The difference between a rogue planet and rouge solar system is a minor variation when it comes to good fiction. What I can’t forgive is you suggesting we watch all this bad fiction.
You know the universe is a stupendously wonderful place. Big bangs, black holes blowing bubbles in interstellar gas, wormholes, stellar nurseries, the chemistry life. You don’t have to make up shit to entertain yourself or worse yet read other people’s bad made up shit. You can apply yourself to learning something real. Take a mooc, they’re practically free. Interested in the origins of life and extraterrestrial life? Try reading Into the Cool by Eric Schneider and Dorian Sagan.
Or if fiction is your bag, read some good fiction. Want something really out there, try The Bone Clocks by David Mitchell (just don’t mistake it non-fiction).
I agree (in part) with dreamon. There’s a good statistical argument to made for the existence of extraterrestrial life. I even think it can be wholly different from what one might expect. Any place where there is a very long-lived energy flux might be a place to search for life in one form or another. Reproducing currents in the interior of a star, or the accretion disc of a black hole. There may be extraterrestrial life in the solar system. I’m hoping for microscopic lifeforms under the ice of Titan, maybe on Mars. It may be the case, but I currently see no evidence for it, that life originally drifted from elsewhere and seeded Earth. It’s called interplanetary panspermia. I’m less optimistic about deliberate extraterrestrial visitations to Earth, quite a bit less optimistic.
This is my last post today. Going out tonight. Catch you all later.
Well, I believe while the probability is high that there is life somewhere out 'there'...I also believe the probability that there is intelligent life advanced enough to communicate with us (assuming also that they were able to survive their technological evolution) is much, much smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamon
Still...much, much smaller is still a lot.
Don't know if the Drake Equation still applies in schools, but here is Carl Sagan on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlikCebQSlY
Here's an interesting article on the Fermi Paradox (if other intelligent life exists, why hasn't it contacted us yet?)...no spoilers, I haven't finished reading it yet...lol
http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html
...anyway - there could be a lot; there could be some; and yes,...it could just very well be us....
See how unpleasant it feels when someone is not very nice? I don't like being like that.
Hi Trish,
I see no point in me regurgitating other peoples' research findings and trying to paraphrase it all for the sake of a discussion. You've seen i can write long posts that use my words, beliefs, ideas and so forth.
But to ask me to "discuss" these scientific findings as if i am the person who has all of this knowledge in my head like my phone number, is a big request.
I prefer to post the links i've found and if anyone is interested enough in knowing more, they can investigate for themselves. I can't explain it all. However, i think i can point people in the right direction.
I am afraid of making an error in the story and appear to be either misleading folks or causing them to waste their time which would be a "waste of time" caused by me.
To answer your question, some of your questions, though, i will try to do my best with my limited ability.
There is a "mini" solar system having a 3600 year, elliptical orbit around our sun.
It has existed for ages of time. It has passed through our solar system where we are now - before the Earth was formed - many times in the past ages. It does not always wreak havoc, as it all depends on how our planets are positioned when the mini solar system passes through ours.
That 3600 year elliptical orbit goes (i think) in the opposite direction as the planets do in our solar system.
In the mini solar system, there are several planets (maybe 5 or 7, i forget), and moons, all orbiting around it's OWN dwarf, dark star (a sister-star to our own Sun).
One of those planets is called, Nibiru, and is a large planet said to be like 7 times the size of Earth. I think the largest planet in the mini solar system is named, Nemesis, and is really huge compared to Nibiru.
Before Earth was formed, all the same planets as today were in our solar system, except Earth, which was, in fact, another planet called, Ti Amat, and was full of water.
During a passing of the mini solar system through OUR solar system, the moons of Nibiru, and perhaps, also, of the other planets in the mini solar system, collided with Ti Amat and split Ti Amat into two halves.
The mini solar system went back into space along it's own elliptical orbit for another 3600 years.
Now, trish, i am not sure if the two broken halves of Ti Amat were left orbiting in our solar system until the mini system came back again (after 3600 years) or if Nibiru, itself, collided with the two Ti Amat halves during the same pass through our solar system when the moons split Ti Amat into two halves - "I was not there taking notes."
However, when Nibiru DID finally collide with Ti Amat's two halves, during a passing through our solar system (and i do not know during which passing this happened), one half was forced into an orbit which became Earth, while the other half was smashed up into much smaller bits and "scattered" and became the asteroid belt and comets (remember, it's mostly water and Earth has lots of water and comets are like rocks mixed with water - muddy snow balls) and the asteroid belt is comprised of like, "stationary" rocks of ice (or whatever).
Now, since then, the mini solar system passed by many times but did not always cause damage.
In the Bible, it mentions in Genesis about the firmament (above and below), separating the "waters above" (asteroid belt) the earth from the water below (Earth's oceans).
The Bible tells the plagiarized story of this event as "In the beginning...blah blah blah...."
THAT, was all written by MEN much later, when, someone got the idea to control mankind by using ancient Sumerian scrolls or tablets and create a dogma - maybe it was Satan as that is his duty - to trick and deceive - but i'll digress from that topic.
Now, on Nibiru, lives the race of aliens called the Anunnaki (Hebrew) Anakim or the Biblical Elohim our true God(s)) who are aliens, and who created human kind by genetic modification of primitive man, at that time to work as a slave race in search of gold to save Nibiru's deteriorating atmosphere (long story).
Some of these Anunnaki were left on the Earth, as the mini solar system went back out into space, and they became known as the Watchers (Biblical Angels) who later "came in to the daughters of men (gold mining slaves)" when mankind were able to reproduce after successive attempts of gene modification.
That is why i am so anti-religion but i DO believe in a God (or race of Gods) which is why the Old Testament seems to have a nice God, and an evil, jealous, punishing nasty God.
Mr Sitchin really explains it all much more eloquently than i do.
Jewish, Muslim, Christian, and all the rest are man made religions or philosophies.
To worship any of them is a sin in the eyes of the one true God or race of Gods who gave our ONE human-race, life (i'll digress from that, also).
I think i've read somewhere that the Anunnaki have different races amongst them ie; Black (Negro); White; Red; Yellow, Black/Brown East Indian.
However, this is a thread which should be discussing whether or not we believe aliens visit our planet Earth, not where man stems from, BUT it's all related to Nibiru - where "God" allegedly lives.
For many years, Nibiru's dust cloud has been seen and written about by ancient people, who saw it coming towards Earth, as if it looks like a cross in the sky, which would explain THAT religious symbolism and it's origins.
I am really kind of baffled by Jesus, but in John 1:1 it says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
In the New Testament, Jesus is referred to as, the Word.
And, right in the first sentence of the Torah, God is mentioned.
It could be reasonably argued that Jesus is God. And that Jesus was an alien if He is the Son of God, AND how God or the Elohim (aliens) is/are the God(s) who genetically modified primitive man to be us as slaves.
Now, these days, we're are all slaves to differing dogmas which create wars and hatred amongst God's children.
So complicated, yet, so related/connected to the Anunnaki race.
That's why i'd rather prefer to post links about Nibiru. BUT you wanted ME to explain some things and i did, so there - Pbbbb!. As always, i say too much.
I know i went waaaaay off topic from the topic discussion of this thread but Eleh Ha-chaim.
Anyway...
The first link is right up your alley. I HOPE you view it, as well as, all the other links i have provided and will provide.
Nibiru 101, trish. This video should answer many of your burning questions only IF you watch it. Grab a cup of mud and sit back for about an hour. This guy is your kind of people - smart.
I'm not smart like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUHjf7ivmIM
This link shows an interesting image of Nibiru's mini solar system as it is either arriving at or departing from our solar system. Have a look at that. It will give you an idea of how it looks.
http://www.biblesearchers.com/prophe...ttribes1.shtml
The following links are home videos which normal, everyday (but informed) people have recorded at either sunrise or sunset from various parts of the world. They all show, i think it's, Nemesis as a SECOND Sun alongside our SUN. Check it out!Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVsiTI3g0Ts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmAo5Hfe1ug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ctb3mLhk3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tfTLVtnCi8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHBvubuWjFg
There are tons of these videos readily available online.
AND yes, there are some fakes out there on the net which show videos filmed through double windows which results with a 'reflection', and they think that is the second sun lol.
I have carefully selected these links for you, WATCH them, all, please, my blackberry sweety-pie.
Oufff! Trish, you are so flattering when treating me as someone who is almost one-quarter-as-educated-as you.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
I'll strongly suggest you watch the first video i've presented in THIS post in which the velocity of the Nibiru solar system is discussed in speed/per second, and you can probably figure it all out with a few calculations when it will arrive. That way you'll know when to start making your OWN hat made of lead.
Maybe Uncle Leo can do the same, as i strongly sense he could calculate well.
I don't have that many fingers and toes with which to calculate figures like that.
I am no scientist trish! I am just a uneducated, hungry mind. I would like for you to let me know how long it will take to arrive so i can make my lead hat and try to dig a hole deep enough to hide in so the HORRENDOUS effects of this system coming at us won't affect me ('good luck with that' i tell myself).
What is coming is what had caused the extinction of the dinosaurs, covered Altantis, AND also caused the Biblical deluge For more on THAT opinion, you will have to study Mr.Sitchen's theories. AND I DON'T care what Stavros' wikipedia article says about Mr. Sitchen, as wikipedia is very biased concerning "certain topics" that clearly go 'against the grain' of the common societal beliefs.
The passing of Nibiru was responsible for every myth humans refer to as ancient myths where destruction and certain extinctions occurred.
Our civilization will, no doubt, become a myth for future humanoid generations to ponder if the passing wipes us out, too.
Go ahead and laugh, with your engineering book on your lap. Laugh yourself silly, girl. I'd love to watch/see you laughing. Watching people laugh is a such a beautiful thing in life to behold.
As crying is the most heart wrenching thing to behold. Which is why i can't drink alcohol, because... all i do is cry when i get drunk...well, i mean...after the party has ended and i find myself alone - not good.
MOOC sounds cool but i might find myself arguing with the profs, too much.
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Quite right "Oxford is a complete dump"Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKuHYO9TM5A
Dahlia, I've had a quick look but can't find any evidence of exactly how Mr Stichin is qualified to make those "scientific assertions". In fact, calling them such is an insult to the scientific community in general (of which I am part and have been for over 20 years, with the qualifications to prove it).
ps. I don't mind you spelling my name wrong or even that you spelt whiskey wrongly (in Scotland, where we invented it, it's whisky, no e) but if you are going to quote someone and post his videos as "proof", at least get his name right.
edit: Mr Sitchin....oops :) (apologies)
High Laphroaig and everbody,
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We shud get 2-gether won dey so eye kan feel up ur qilt an du sum funknee tings 2 ur weener.
We kan evin pley skrapble if u wood like dat.
Its okay if u yuse a dickshunary.
Howeber, u myght B mor conserned bi calling mi Dalhia wen eye introdused myselv as Babe.
Eye have bin called, Babe, fer ober ten yeers.
Eye no sum peeple like 2 tri 2 make me feel less dan a "babe", by calling me Dahlia, butt still, Babe, is my ofishal eskort name.
Babe
High Laphroaig and everbody,
U R such a nice Scotchman. I tink Scotch peeple frum Scotchland ar reely kool - well, sumtymes.
We shud get 2-gether won dey so eye kan feel up ur qilt an du sum funknee tings 2 ur weener.
We kan evin pley skrapble if u wood like dat.
Its okay if u yuse a dickshunary.
Howeber, u myght B mor conserned bi calling mi Dalhia wen eye introdused myselv as Babe.
Eye have bin called, Babe, fer ober ten yeers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahlia Babe Ailhad in her HA introduction thread
Eye no sum peeple like 2 tri 2 make me feel less dan a "babe", by calling me Dahlia, butt still, Babe, is my ofishal eskort name.
Babe
Hi Fred,Quote:
Originally Posted by Freddie the Freeloader
You, know?...just the day before yesterday, i was thinking of you and was "sending" you a telepathic message, saying how i wished you would start posting, again, in my threads - BUT only IF you were less mean and sarcastic. I miss the nice fred.
It's funny that you posted.
Babe, I will happily call you whatever you want as long as you realise that in the UK, babe isn't a name it's simply a term of affection similar to darling, love, honey, etc and we aren't that close sweety :kiss:
My psychic abilities must be increasing as I made a prediction to myself that you would use my little typo error to deflect attention from my question. What qualifies Mr Sitchin to make his "scientific research"?
Let me put it this way, you wouldn't let an unqualified electrician rewire your house so why would you allow an unqualified "scientist" to reveal the mysteries of the universe?
Thank you Babe. That’s very helpful. Dwarf, dark stars have a limited mass range. If they’re lighter than the mass of about 13 Jupiters than they aren’t stars at all (i.e. they don’t sustain any sort of fusion). The artist’s conception in your “prophecy” link above definitely shows a dim but nevertheless glowing star. Anything bigger than 80 Jupiter masses will be a full fledged star. Midrange dwarves have the mass of about 46.5 Jupiters. That’s about 9x10^28 kilograms. Just for comparison the Sun is about 2x10^30 kilograms. This means the dwarf star is gravitationally much more important than Nibiru and Nemesis combined. It's the star that gravitationally binds them and in turn gravitationally binds the “mini-system” to our Sun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahlia Babe Ailhad
It’s rather fortunate we “know” the orbital period of this system is 3600 years. There is a very old law that goes by the name of Kepler’s third law ( http://www.astro.umass.edu/~weinberg...s/concept1.pdf ) which precisely relates the mass of a body in an elliptical orbit to its period and semi-major axis (farthest distance to a focus). According to this relation (I linked the formula so you can check the math on your own...it’s not fancy stuff...just plugging into the formula and having the patience to do the arithmetic...I used a calculator) the semi-major axis of the dark star’s orbit around the Sun is about 83 au. (Here I’m using the mass of an average dwarf.) That’s 83 astronomical units. An astronomical unit is the average distance between the Earth and the Sun (about 93 million miles). For comparison Jupiter’s semi-major axis is 5.3 au. So at it’s farthest, Nibiru and its dark star are pretty far away. Further than the Kuiper Belt (which extends from 30 au to about 50 au) but not nearly as far out as the Oort cloud (which extends from 5000 au to 100000 au).
Dark stars do indeed glow. If the one in question (the companion of Nibiru and Nemesis) were lighter than average it would glow less. But the Kepler relation would put it closer to us and make it easier to detect. If it were heavier than average its would glow more and make it easier to detect. So I’m sticking with the average case. A glowing dark star weighing in at 46.5 Jupiter masses, 83 au away wouldn’t be an obvious object in the sky. But given the sky surveys that now exist in the 21st century it’s difficult to think astronomers have been missing it all these years. If it’s there we would have found it. Funny no reputable astronomers have laid claim to the discovery of a dark star in our very own solar system. They must be under government threat. Maybe under threat from the Vatican’s Swiss Guard.
Lucky for us, you’ve found pictures of it. On the internet! It’s a huge disc in sky. Yikes! Obviously much closer than 83 astronomical units away. If a dark star were that close to the Sun we’d already be seeing evidence of its gravitational havoc on the orbits of all the known planets. Rest assured, that’s neither Nibiru, Nemesis nor their companion dark star.
Nice article. Thanks Fred.Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41
That was a good article posted by Fred. And I understand what the author is doing by making seemingly safe assumptions and then extrapolating from them to estimate the probability of there being intelligent life in the universe. The one assumption I don't think is safe though is that 1% of planets that have life will develop intelligent species.
It's difficult to say what the statistic should be since we only have a sample size of one to observe. Yet of the millions of species on this planet, only one developed significant ability to think in abstract terms and completely re-organize their own environment.
I've heard some biologists argue that even though natural selection is a random process it favors complexity. Different organisms undergo an arms race where predators develop sophisticated means of capturing prey and prey develop sophisticated means of thwarting predators. And so on for other environmental challenges.
But I fail to see how the ability to reason in abstract terms could be helpful until you have enough insulation from environmental hazards to allow significant planning. And it would only seem to be useful for survival if other more obvious means of surviving (in order to procreate) were not available. What would be more useful in avoiding getting eaten by a lion? A toxic poison that you shoot from your fingertips or intelligence. What would help you avoid them better? Extremely acute sensory perception or better processing ability? I would say more acute sensory faculties. I think intelligence is only useful once you develop the margin of error that civilization affords you. We use our critical faculties by recognizing patterns and learning from mistakes. Yet the rewards of possessing intelligence as we understand it only accrue once you reach a critical mass of technological development I think. Anyhow, I am just guessing that it was far from a foregone conclusion that this planet would develop intelligent species and maybe significantly less than 1%.
And the use of the phrase random process for natural selection should be elaborated on. Selective pressures determine the changes in gene frequencies across generations. That's random but it moves in the direction of better defenses, better survival mechanisms, and thereby increased opportunity to procreate. I just think intelligence is very far down the list of important tools...that is until it's already evolved in other species or your own species.
I came across this recently
http://nyti.ms/1Cl47bb
which suggests one aspect of the “filter” could be a global warming bottleneck. Other riffs on this theme have been popular in science fiction. I remember an old Star Trek (William Shatner old) in which it was suggest nuclear arms races were a similar sort of bottleneck that tested the meddle of young technological civilizations, determining whether they were or were not fit to survive. Any civilization that tried to help would be going against the Prime Directive.
I’m inclined to agree with bronco that the odds for intelligent life developing even given life has already developed on a given planet are pretty low. But I wouldn’t want to hazard a number.
On the other hand, I do think that intelligence (of various types) has survival value. We find all sorts of animals using tools, implementing hunting strategies and avoidance strategies, making shelters etc. Some of these behaviors may be hardwired, but it’s not clear to me that all of them are. Perhaps there are aspect of hunting strategies that are learned. Do backs of dogs, for example, pass on their hunting strategies or are they pure instinct?
I speculate there is a complexity threshold life has to cross before it can become ‘truly intelligent’––similar to (if not exactly the same as) the threshold a computing machine must cross before it may be regarded as the equivalent to a universal Turing machine. Once over that threshold, anything is possible––the only impediments are memory and speed.
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Hi trish (and the other two),
I am still trying to figure out what you meant when you wrote, "I forgive you."
Forgive me for what?
Maybe it is, not yet, in our solar system?Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
What do you think of Dr. Harrington's comments?
Watch the whole thing because there is more text on the screen after the part where it states, "Nibiru does not exist" or something to that effect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpHU36uJnMc#t=63
Dr ROBERT HARRINGTON CONFIRMING.... PLANET-X (7X)
Robert Sutton Harrington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Harrington became a believer in the existence of a Planet X beyond Pluto and undertook searches for it, with positive results coming from the IRAD probe in 1983. Harrington collaborated initially with T. C. (Tom) Van Flandern.[1] They were both "courted" by Zecharia Sitchin and his followers who believe in a planet Nibiru or Marduk, who cite the research of Harrington and van Flandern as possible collaborating evidence, though no definitive proof of a 9th planet has surfaced to date."
http://ad.usno.navy.mil/wds/history/harrington.html
"Robert (Bob) Harrington died on Jan. 23, 1993 after a short, but determined, battle against esophageal cancer."
Hmm, Joan Rivers "syndrome"? Or perhaps Rivers suffered from "Harrington's syndrome"? Very little is said about what happened to him.
My conspiracy theory senses are tingling again. Sorry.
The Swiss Guard is the government threat? My gosh! After seeing that, i am pretty sure that's a tongue-in-cheek comment.Quote:
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Swiss Guard, indeed!
Oh trisk!...(that's my cute way of saying tsk and trish, at the same time.
Instead of the Holy poop's personal body guards, i would venture to propose that these people...Air Force Space Command - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
...are the ones keeping a lid on this Nibiru topic and stifling any qualified personal who might be willing to admit it (or have admitted to it).
They do control NASA, after all.
What would you suggest those "twin Suns" might be?Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
So many people are filming them at sunrise and sunset.
In some videos, we can actually see the planets of the mini solar system following each other, like a cluster, just before our Sun rises and then blocks the mini solar system from view.
Did you view all the videos?
Did you view the very first link lasting one hour, called PlanetX 101?
I'll admit the large "twin suns" almost side by side in some of the videos seem pretty close, and yet, at the same time, we aren't seeing any real destruction happening one Earth.
I really hope you are not being tongue-in-cheek with me. Lol, it kind of appears like it, a bit. Especially, after you've referred to the "Sacred youtube" so many times, indicating to me that you, perhaps, doubt most of it.
Oh trisk! I feel like you are humoring me. I hope not. That would be like being "politely not taking me seriously".
I don't want to firmly suggest you are, if you are not, but those choice of words play on my mind, a bit.
Do we know for certain that "NASA" would inform us of planets being displaced at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Could it be already affecting the Earth's...uhm...what's the word i want...uhm...maybe "situation" fits into my sentence? "Earth's situation".
I've been hearing lots of talk about volcanoes erupting all over the place. Also, reports of the tectonic plates shifting around lately, and the talk of slight pole shifts (already), and these tsunamis that have been happening more and more frequently.
Nibiru whistle blowers are telling us that the powers in charge won't tell us anything until Nibiru is right on tip of us (meaning at the very last minute) to reduce any global panics.
Did you watch the video i posted about the whistle blower revealing the D.U.M.B.s and all the food they are growing down there and storing down there?
And all the F.E.M.A. camp comments in the same video, and, and, and, etc, etc?
Can just ANYONE obtain those photos of the D.U.M.B.s? I know i did, but i'm looking for them.
We don't see this on the television news or hear about ANY OF IT it all being discussed on news/talk radio stations.
Even you three don't talk about it in this thread a whole lot. You're kind of like "tap dancing" while wearing cabaret hats and while holding canes the dancers use in their dance Schtick.
Did you listen to the Phil Schneider videos i had posted?
Did you look at the link below the last last Schneider video, in which the government reporter, i think it was, wrote all about Schneider's life and claims? It's pretty amazing stuff.
Fred's video is interesting, yes, if you like seeing a guy do advanced math calculations on camera and trying to, theoretically, say if aliens exist based on the results of his calculations.
What about what the astronauts say?
What about what Dr Edgar Mitchell's lecture where he stated that the old timer astronauts confided in him about the alien crafts which they saw while in space?
They were up there, in space. They should know whether they saw aliens crafts or not. No?
He even mentions the two alien bases that were located on the moon when the first Apollo mission landed up there? All a lie? Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin lied?
Those are American heroes astronaut telling us what other astronauts told Dr Mitchell about what they saw up there.
Those are American heroes - blowing the whistle for our sake.
Can't you hear the bells and whistles sounding?
Maybe they all just lied to each other?
Why?
Why not mention the U.F.O DISCLOSURE PROJECT video and discuss all the official admissions from those top ranking people who are all in-the-know and who have all admitted that aliens do exist?
I watched another old video, recently, that was dug up, where the whistle blower talks about several, 7-foot-tall, grey aliens sitting in a U.N. conference auditorium and THEY were dictating THEIR demands and policies to the U.N. officials!
Who ARE you three people, anyway, trish, bronco, and fred, to not even mention all of these admissions? yest here you are in one of the biggest forums on the net, confusing every one with high tech jibber jabber that no one really understands.
Why doesn't Lap the Scot join in with you three and start talking all über sophisticated?
He's admitted he's been in the science field for the passed twenty years!
As what, Lap?...showing 13-year-olds how to dissect frogs?...explaining atoms, protons and electrons?...explaining magnets and making clay volcano structures with vinegar and baking soda inside a test tube which is burrowed into the cavity of the clay volcano to explain how a volacano errupts??
Now, i see William Shatner and Star Trek being mentioned?!!
Whaaaaat?
You three Musketeers seem to know so much and say so much, but at the same time, seem to how to "kind of" say so little about the topic...kinda.
What the heck is going on here??
What the heck are you three talking about, anyway?
What the frack is this? lol
Who in God's name are you three?
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Dear mod,
Aww, shucks!
I almost got it! right! I need more time.
I need to correct that.It was so difficult and i almost made it lol.
I can't do this spacing correctly in a text editor.
Babe,
xoxo
Yes.
Try writing concise posts instead - less is more ;)
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Originally Posted by Dahlia Babe Ailhad
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What about what the astronauts say?
What about what Dr Edgar Mitchell's lecture where he stated that the old timer astronauts confided in him about the alien crafts which they saw while in space?
They were up there, in space. They should know whether they saw aliens crafts or not. No?
He even mentions the two alien bases that were located on the moon when the first Apollo mission landed up there? All a lie? Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin lied?
Those are American heroes astronaut telling us what other astronauts told Dr Mitchell about what they saw up there.
Those are American heroes - blowing the whistle for our sake.
Can't you hear the bells and whistles sounding?
Maybe they all just lied to each other?
Why?
Are there/were there alien bases on the Moon? No. The myth is debunked here:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/deb...artifact.2965/
Did Armstrong and Aldrin ever say they saw alien spacecraft or anything resembling alien life on their mission? No. The myth, using transcripts real and imagined is explained here:
http://ronrecord.com/astronauts/arms...ns-aldrin.html
It is curious that the same tool used to concoct fairy tales about aliens -the world-wide web- provides rational explanations for them.
The Drake Equation and the Fermi Paradox.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahlia Babe Ailhad
Did you read https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlikCebQSlY ?
Did you read http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html ?
Did you read http://nyti.ms/1Cl47bb ?
Have you started Into the Cool yet, by Schneider and Sagan?
Another good book for the layman is Celestial Mechanics: The Waltz of the Planets by Alessandra Celletti and Ettore Perozzi. Alessanrdra is a positively brilliant mathematical physicist at the University of Rome Tor Vergata. Her book is brims with intelligence and enthusiasm. It begins with Lucretius and covers the classics Brahe, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Lagrange, Laplace, perturbation theory and the discovery of Neptune. But it also gives us a look at modern KAM theory, chaos, the theory of orbital resonance, resonance in rings, shepherd moons and even collisions between asteroids and planets.
Babe
I don't know which text editor you're using but try open office (link below). Almost all the functionality of Microsofts famous product but open source and completely free.
https://www.openoffice.org/
Below are a number of mirages. You can obtain a ton of them by just Googling “double Sun mirage” and selecting “images.”Quote:
What would you suggest those "twin Suns" might be?
The first user three layers of sugar solutions (of differing concentration) in a glass. The light reflected from the cat is refracted through the different layers at different angles so that when they reach the eye we see three upright images of the cat and three inverted images.
The other photos show mirages of the sunset caused by atmospheric layers of varying temperature and density and turbulence. The Sun warms the Earth and it warms the air adjacent to its surface. This warm air rises and cooler denser air sinks. This is one source of turbulence. On a calm day, an equilibrium can sustained that creates refractive layers. The same optical principle that creates the cat mirage is responsible for the multiple images of the Sun in these photos.
If you don’t like that explanation, you don’t need to invoke the existence of a second Sun, a dark dwarf, Nibiru or Nemesis. You could go with this guy’s explanation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbv8c09u08I . He believes the Earth is encased in a glass ball. Literally! Not quite as nutty as you Babe, but he makes up for it by being a bit scary.
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What the heck is going on here??
What the heck are you three talking about, anyway?
What the frack is this? lol
Who in God's name are you three? [/FONT][/SIZE]
Haven't you realised yet? It's all one big conspiracy... ;)
Actually, what they are discussing is no more complicated than the theories that you are proposing. Just more realistic...
Thanks Trish...downloaded the free sample from Amazon and got sucked in enough to buy it. Like the style it's written in and, erratic attention span aside, I think I'll make it through...lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
lol...or visit a faith healer instead of a qualified surgeon when your appendix is about to burst ( well, I wouldn't...I'm still addicted to living, thank you very much.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Laphroaig
I never expected to actually sell that book here on HA :) It is a good one though. I read it a few years ago. I remember a fortnight or so sneaking out of my office for a half hour and sitting outside with a copy on my iPad. It must've been late Spring. Hope you like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41
On a totally unrelated note, check out this amazing YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnbJEg9r1o8
Not entirely unrelated: it doesn't explain the double sun mirage, but it does connect optics and fluid motions in way that -to me-show the real world is much more amazing than any you can make up.
Hi trish,
Cool video.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Here is one, also off topic, involving water.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usZ8MQzbglk
Babe,
xoxo
Totally agree with you Trish (and your earlier comments). This world, never mind the universe, is so full of incredible (real) phenomena that there is absolutely no need to make up alien conspiracies and other crap to make life more interesting. Anyone who bothers to keep up with the scientific developments will realise that incredible discoveries are being made on a daily basis and many are far more fascinating and have more real word implications than any ridiculous conspiracy theory.
Babe, I suggest you take out a subscription to Nature or Science magazine and really learn something useful.
Edit: as you posted at the same time as me, on the subject of water, these have always amused me.
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
https://www.math.psu.edu/tseng/H2Ojoke.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8eRzOYhLuw
Ciao ragazzi,
Now, a musical "interlube" for all you boys. Just to keep you interested.
Look at this little Italian alien!
Voglio questa ragazza.
Mama mia!
http://www.animationplayhouse.com/barani1-10.gif
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8eRzOYhLuw
" Break Free "
(feat. Zedd)
If you want it, take it
I should've said it before
Tried to hide it, fake it
I can't pretend anymore
I only wanna die alive
Never by the hands of a broken heart
Don't wanna hear you lie tonight
Now that I've become who I really am
This is the part when I say I don't want it
I'm stronger than I've been before
This is the part when I break free
'Cause I can't resist it no more
You were better, deeper
I was under your spell
Like a deadly fever, yeah, babe
On the highway to hell, yeah
I only wanna die alive
Never by the hands of a broken heart
Don't wanna hear you lie tonight
Now that I've become who I really am
This is the part when I say I don't want it
I'm stronger than I've been before
This is the part when I break free
'Cause I can't resist it no more
No more, baby, ooh
Thought on your body
I came alive
It was lethal
It was fatal
In my dreams it felt so right
But I woke up every time
Oh, baby
This is the part when I say I don't want it
I'm stronger than I've been before
This is the part when I break free
'Cause I can't resist it no more
Live vocals (She CAN sing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Q11QIdINQ
http://www.animationplayhouse.com/barani1-10.gif
Break Free
("Analysis" connecting it to the Illuminati)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8rSWX3yJcQ
Babe,
xoxo
Hi again boys,
My gosh! What's with all the alien topics in today's pop music? Hmm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYMkuOUAg3M
"Holla At The DJ"
Fresh off the flight with my brand new shoes on
They ain't even out yet, let me introduce 'em
I do my two step, hey right in front of ya
Meet me at the door, it's kinda crazy cuz I'm popular
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
You see me turn it up
And make it supersize
We about to burn it up
Just call me firefly
So what, so what
Talk about it
You want, you want
Yeah they wanna know about it
They want, they want
They wanna see about it
They wanna stand around the club all night and think about it
Amplify the recipe
Every time you look at me
I love it when I hear the sound (oh yeah)
Turn the music up for me
DJ, are you listening
Let the beat drown us out (oh oh oh oh oh oh...)
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
Land in my spaceship, we didn't come to play
Take over your area, we do this everyday
Call yourself a Martian, well I'm from Jupiter
Spin around you so fast, you can never catch me up
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
Cuz I like when the beat drop
Play that record for me
Clap my hands make me dance
Rockin' on the floor
So what, so what
Talk about it
You want, you want
Yeah they wanna know about it
They want, they want
They wanna see about it
They wanna stand around the club all night and think about it
Amplify the recipe
Every time you look at me
I love it when I hear the sound (oh yeah)
Turn the music up for me
DJ, are you listening?
Let the beat drown us out (oh oh oh oh oh oh...)
Holla holla, h-holla holla, h-holla holla
Play that record for me
Holla holla, h-holla holla, h-holla holla
We rockin' on the floor
Tell the DJ turn it up
Amplify the recipe
Every time you look at me
I love it when I hear the sound (oh yeah)
Turn the music up for me
DJ, are you listening?
Let the beat drown us out (oh oh oh oh oh oh...)
Babe,
:dancing:
xoxo
You'll never beat David Bowie
Space Oddity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D67kmFzSh_o
Ashes to Ashes
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMThz7eQ6K0
Life on Mars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v--IqqusnNQ
Hi trish,
I've commented on fred's Sagan link. Why ask if i've seen it? Do you really read my responses or just quickly skim over them?
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I, personally, can not see any connection linking thermodynamics (T.D.) to the existence of ancient alien civilizations who, by now, are many eons ahead of us (ape-men/alien hybrids) on any level of technology and intellect, nor do i see how T.D. relates to the existence of a dwarf brown-star heading our way - once again.
Perhaps, when Nibiru gets close enough to Earth, we can start discussing all about how T.D. comes into play - but by that time, it will be like those eight musicians on the Titanic who played to people who were really more concerned with panicking and saving their own lives rather than listening to enjoyable music as the ship sank - meaning, no one will sit and listen when the times comes when T.D. comes into play.
I wonder what those eight musicians were smoking when the Titanic was sinking, to be so utterly oblivious to their eventual doom. I want a puff of that stuff when Nibiru rears it's ugly face because from what i’ve been hearing, it won’t take very long for Nibiru to flip us upside down - about thirty minutes or so. The Quran even mentions how north will become south and south will become north.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/18/op...=pl-share&_r=0
These are numbered, quoted excerpts from the segment of the article from your link you had posted.
1. "...The fact that nearly every pinprick of light you see in the night sky hosts a family of worlds raises a powerful but simple question: “Where is everybody?” Hundreds of billions of planets translate into a lot of chances for evolving intelligent, technologically sophisticated species. So why don’t we see evidence for E.T.s everywhere?...."
Okay, well, i think earthlings have been seeing E.T.s, and the “powers that be” are covering it all up. They are not covering anything up?..go passed the warning signs posted at Area 51.
Listen to the astronauts speak (years later) after they'd retired from service - they are talking about E.T.s and UFOs.
2. "...From a half-century of exploring our own solar system we’ve learned a lot about planets and how they work. We know that Mars was once a habitable world with water rushing across its surface. And Venus, a planet that might have been much like Earth, was instead transformed by a runaway greenhouse effect into a hellish world of 800-degree days."
Only fifty years of exploration?! That is enough time to really determine the origins of every thing in every galaxy in the cosmos. Still just guesses, i think.
How do we not know that when Nibiru passed through our "general area" before, that that was what had caused "once watery Mars" to "dry up", and Earth-like Venus to be transformed to have hellish 800 degree days?
Check out this silent animation (i had previously posted earlier) which illustrates the effects of Nibiru's passing. It's only three plus minutes.
Read the annotations at key parts of the video to see what "might" (or will) happen to us (and to Mars and Venus) and, perhaps, has probably happened several times in the passed ages when Nibiru makes its passes.
Scientists really have no idea as to what had happened before the many previous Nibiru passings before mankind came into existence. Humans only guess. We are not "all seeing". Maybe it's all wrong.
As i've said about myself, but this time, for the scientists - "They were not there taking notes when it all happened."
Watch the video this time!!
Maybe the orbits of the planets in our planetary system were entirely different from what they are now. Who knows? No one was there "taking notes". Scientists speculate and then just accept it all to be factual in order to have a starting point from which to start theorizing "how it all works".
I don't believe Darwin's theory - at all. There was a too big of jump in intelligence - almost overnight we started making tools.
We, Mr. Sitchin included, do not know for sure exactly how many times Nibiru passed, how old that system really is, and what had maybe "knocked" it into it's present orbit. He can't say what each passing created, destroyed, and/or displaced during passings. Maybe it came from another galaxy somehow.
Mr. Sitchin only translates what the Sumerian tablets say. He can not say from where Nibiru came and how it came to be.
I think it's fair to say that our scientists theorize to create a starting point of a workable system.
I am not a scientist as i've mentioned - and so, i could probably be talking like a major fool right now. I am just offering my opinions.
3. "By studying these nearby planets, we’ve discovered general rules for both climate and climate change. These rules, based in physics and chemistry, must apply to any species, anywhere, taking up energy-harvesting and civilization-building in a big way...."
Only by studying of our nearby planets, and the scientists have decided on "general rules" for every unknown planet and any species?
Oh look, does this number 3 quote specify that there are alien species? Hmm!
Sound pretty cocky when we have no idea what exactly is out there.
If they have all the answers, what are they still looking for? Different answers?? Why?...the ones they had once decided upon from yesteryear(s) don't hold water? They ain't happy with what they “lurned”?
4. ...With this perspective, we also gain an essential truth. We are one form of life, on one planet, in a universe of countless planets. [color"red"]Through hard-won scientific gains, we’ve begun discovering the patterns and laws governing planets together with the life they host[/color]. Ten thousand years from now the Democrats and the Republicans and their squabbles over climate change will be long gone. But the laws of planets and life we’re now revealing won’t have changed. Not on this world or any other."
Is this another admission that other planets host alien life forms?
Here they say "...we've been discovering...", but, in quote number 3, they say, ”...we’ve discovered general rules for both climate and climate change. These rules, based in physics and chemistry, must apply to any species, anywhere...”
They don’t appear to sure, at least, not to my uneducated mind.
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http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html
"SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) is an organization dedicated to listening for signals from other intelligent life. If we’re right that there are 100,000 or more intelligent civilizations in our galaxy, and even a fraction of them are sending out radio waves or laser beams or other modes of attempting to contact others, shouldn’t SETI’s satellite array pick up all kinds of signals?
But it hasn’t. Not one. Ever.
Where is everybody?"
Oh? And what about the WOW signal? That was “once”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Neo_1LGVqE
At this point, you should be making the obvious assumption that i am not agreeing with the explanations of the Fermi Paradox because it states that we have never been visited by aliens - ever.
I think we have been many times for many centuries or longer.
Babe,
xoxo
Area 51 is a military base.
Find me a military installation that doesn't have warning signs on it and I'll be impressed.
edit: If you don't believe Darwin then there REALLY is no hope for you.
Britain's Roswell incient -Rendlesham Forest in 1980 re-visited in today's Telegraph.
Warning: Americans involved...why do aliens insist on visiting military bases and not, say, sewage farms or bakeries?
I like this post in the comments section:
Also as an amateur astronomer I've yet to see any strange objects in the sky, millions of professional and amateur astronomers look at the sky every night yet non one sees little green men, only people coming out of pubs or people hanging out their washing.
I wonder why?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/f...spiracies.html
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Originally Posted by Laphroaig
Hi Laphroaig,
Good choices. You forget the lyrics, though.
I do like this old gem, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9URM_5R-vWk
" Calling Occupants Of Interplanetary Craft "
In your mind you have capacities you know
To telepath messages through the vast unknown
Please close your eyes and concentrate
With every thought you think
Upon the recitation we're about to sing
Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary, most extraordinary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary, most extraordinary craft
You've been observing our earth
And we'd like to make a contact with you
We are your friends
Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary ultra emissaries
We've been observing your earth
And one night we'll make a contact with you
We are your friends
Calling occupants of interplanetary quite extraordinary craft
And please come in pace we beseech you
(Only of love we will teach you)
Our earth may never survive (So do come we beg you)
Please interstellar policemen
Won't you give us a sign give us a sign that we've reached you
musical break
With your mind you have ability to form
And transmit thought energy far beyond the norm
You close your eyes, you concentrate, together that's the way
To send a message we declare World Contact Day
Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary, most extraordinary craft
Calling occupants
Calling occupants
Calling occupants of interplanetary, anti-adversary craft
We are your friends
Watch the aliens come and enslave us, now, maybe even eat us.
Babe,
xoxo
Hi everybody,
Here is a man who can telepathically summons alien crafts to appear.
Babe,
xoxo