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this is exactly the reason I started the original post. If the guys want to argue amongst themselves, that's fine. but when they start scaring and driving the ladies away and it turns into a NOTHING BUT PORN forum, then it is sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
exactly about Evon's thread. they could've let it go and just kept going and going like they had something to prove to boost their ego and make someone feel like they're not welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
Edited by me to shorten for relevancy:
I just wanted to respond to this and add a couple [which later turned into a fucking few... as always] of things. I want it to be 100% clear that I didn't feel "chased" away. Kelly has done a tremendous amount of good for the [Trans] community, and I try to look at the totality of one's existence, as far as is possible, before I will engage with them on a debate basis. That being said, what she did in writing and publishing her missive, which was obviously and provably factually incorrect, as well as being obviously malicious in intent, was so out of line that I thought and expected at least one other person to say something... but not one word. THAT is more the contributing factor as to why I left. I think I finally just realized that this is no more a community than the people I see at the local grocery store everyday. We say "hi", exchange pleasantries, pretend to listen and care, but then go our separate ways forgetting in the next breath what was said. In other words, we really don't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
Let's be honest here... this is Mean Girls, where the most vocal and pretty will win every. single. time. And that's fine. I could care less about that and I'm not crying over spilled milk. I've moved on and am creating my own versions of what I envision which has taken up most of my time recently. But that is also simply not an environment that most "unpopular" girls will find themselves comfortable being in.
The other major contributing factor to me "leaving", which I will air quote since I have sporadically returned recently as already noted, is simply that you can't truly, honestly debate with anyone. I LOVE serious, unadulterated, uncensored, good debate and will engage just about anyone on any topic that I have feelings about. Anyone who knows me personally knows that I will be fierce about it, but fair, and in the "real" world, I have a close circle of friends that get together regularly to debate the topics of the day. I've never lost one friend due to debating them no matter how heated the conversations have gotten, and believe me, we've raised some eyebrows in restaurants before!
We've come to a point though, that on boards like this, eyes glaze over at typing. I'd bet that probably 10% of those reading this have actually READ AND UNDERSTOOD what has been written thus far. We can't... we don't... we won't read anything anymore that isn't 140 characters or less. Anything longer than that we just automatically assume is a "rant". So I often get accused here of "ranting"... which is ridiculous. "Rants" have no point.
My point of view is, take as much space and time as you need to CLEARLY state your opinion and I'll do the same. I will read what you've written, digest it, ANSWER any questions you put out, and post my own, along with any new comments. Far too often here, I end up just answering questions with none of mine being answered at all. That is not a debate. That is a Q&A. So, if you can't debate and discuss things with people here, then what is the point of being here (assuming you're not just here for marketing or consumption - both of which I don't find anything wrong with, but I've tried not to make my prime motive for visiting)? I ended up spending portions of my day here answering questions and defending myself against people who cannot put together a cohesive, logical argument for their points, but just relentlessly attack. That was a waste of time that I decided to put elsewhere. So those two things are the main contributing factors of my leaving.
Personally, I could care less what people say. The world is completely full of idiots and any popular forum will have their fair share of them. You can't weed them all out and trying to do so would get incredibly tedious. I've always been strong on free speech and I have never, and will never, call for anyone here to be censored, banned, or otherwise disciplined for something they've said. That being said, this is a privately owned forum and rules are written for reasons so I find the "down with the man!" type of threads and comments amusing as well.
So, my last points on this topic is one that has basically already been made. People need to grow up here. If you live your life in such a bubble that you get really, actually offended by some of the stuff that people say here... then you are, in fact, developmentally, a child. Stop taking up offenses that aren't your own. Do we even know what "offended" really means any more? I don't think we do.
Additionally, I hate the hypocrisy. My recent engagement with a moderator here... CLEAR example. Anyone with half a brain would say his question to me was, on its face, racist and the insensitivity of that remark, completely undermined his own point about the insensitivity of my thread. Let me be clear, it is not my opinion that being racist was his intent, but it was worth pointing out to make my point: that the very insensitivity of framing an argument with that type of question in it, severely undermined his own. In other words, my point was almost everything someone says at some point will / can be taken as insensitive. But anyways, when called out on that hypocrisy, it is simply deny, obfuscate, and attack again. For this, he is applauded. Go figure.
I try to be consistent and if you read through all my arguments here, you will find that to be so, at least I hope you will. I argue for HUMANITY... not this segment, not this race, not this person or that person... humanity. That is my underlying argument in most of the debates that I've engaged in here and you will find that is consistently so.
Learn to admit you've made a mistake. Learn to apologize. Learn to move on. Learn to accept an apology. These are all things that are RARELY done on this board. In most of the engagements here, I've said things that I've regretted. Look through my past threads and note: I've apologized for them. Now read through them again and find one (JUST ONE) instance where anyone has apologized for something they've said about / to me? I'll save you the trouble. ZERO TIMES [EDIT: Actually, I do remember one time so this edit].
When I was young, my parents were the type to sit all us siblings down and keep us in a room until we all apologized and meant it. Once that was done, it was the rule of the household that the topic is not brought up again. Again, let us go back to my recent "Dougnuts" thread. I fucked up and shouldn't have started the thread (or at least that was the prevailing theme). I APOLOGIZED FOR THAT VERY THING when I posted the "punchline". And yet, it turns into this whole big thing. Fucking hell... what more can I do? I even gave an OK for it to be completely deleted. You should not attack someone on a point that has been conceded or apologized over. And, you should learn to apologize when you've done something that is over the line, even if you may not think that's quite the case (as in the doughnuts thread... personally, I would have found it funny - but I can understand also that humor is different for different people). I'm not saying you should bow down to every time someone says they are offended, but I think we are still mostly human enough to know when we've crossed a line personally. That is just my point of view.
Leave friends. I try to do this and with my debate friends, and in fact, it is a must for the night to end. It isn't always the case in a forum like this, but you know, to this day, even those who have actually, really irritated me here asked for my help in something as innocuous as helping promote them, I'd like to think that I would do it. For some, it would be difficult but I'd like to think I would. Actually, nah... fuck em' (that's a joke for those who don't know my sense of humor).
OK. In fucking, final conclusion. Personally, I think y'all are kind of over thinking this. Most girls probably don't post here because they are busy doing other things... as in, making paper. That is probably the underlying truth to the matter. Of course, it never hurts to have a more civil place to come together and discuss things but in reality, who has the time these days?
So, less than 1% have made it this far. Congratulations to you if you have. Sometimes it is good to be the 1% and not the 99%... no matter what anyone says. Anyways, due to recent things, I'm taking a long break again but will poke my head in every now and then to see what's going on. I wish everyone the best and a great rest of 2014 - it is HALF OVER ALREADY... FUUUCKKKK!
I guess they're on sale at the ivory tower gift shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
Krissy wrote: "Additionally, I hate the hypocrisy. My recent engagement with a moderator here... CLEAR example. Anyone with half a brain would say his question to me was, on its face, racist and the insensitivity of that remark, completely undermined his own point about the insensitivity of my thread. Let me be clear, it is not my opinion that being racist was his intent, but it was worth pointing out to make my point: that the very insensitivity of framing an argument with that type of question in it, severely undermined his own. In other words, my point was almost everything someone says at some point will / can be taken as insensitive. But anyways, when called out on that hypocrisy, it is simply deny, obfuscate, and attack again. For this, he is applauded. Go figure."
This dear krissy is a total distortion of what went on and I deeply resent your suggestion that I was - in any way - racist. You are posting a totally distorted and poisonous version of our exchange.
I did not IN ANY WAY accuse you of insensitivity. That was the point made by Chaos not me.
I simply pointed out that your joke was unfunny and that a few folks here who had expressed sympathy when you posted what was on the face of it a genuine remark about seeking help with an addiction probably felt foolish afterwards. You blew it up into something more serious.
I compared your joke to the sort of joke I commonly encountered when working with Navajo indians. I spent several months with them. Have you?
As I also pointed out i regularly challenge people for racism. My record is spotless in this regard.
You accuse me now of obfuscation. Totally NOT true. Please look again at our exhange and stop making distorted accusations.
It is YOU who should learn you have made a mistake on this occasion.
It's not about that dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
It is like those really popular clubs. where all the girls go to party. The guys want to go because all the girls are there. The club owner is happy because that's alot of business. The girls get in free and get better treatment. At this type of club, the girls get the benefit of the doubt and preferred status. They're what keeps the club active, and makes the guys want to spend money there, and have a good time.
...then, you get the obnoxious guys that are just being asswipes and harassing the girls, either thinly veiled or outright aggression. the bouncers and the management permit this. and soon, the girls stop going to the club. and it winds up being a sausagefest. and the few girls that are left at the club, get harassed even more, by more obnoxious guys. because of the disparity.
just switch some words:
club= hungangels
girls= the hungangels ladies
guys= the guys at hungangels
obnoxious guys= those guys i've been talking about in earlier posts
club owner= Stephen
bouncers = moderators and Stephen
Believe it or not, HUNGANGELS is not strictly a porn forum. If it becomes that, and all the girls leave. so be it. it's been happening, and I continue seeing less and less girls posting here. definitely not an increase.
The people who give me a thumbs up respect all of my fine qualities. Those who give me a thumbs down are haters of humanity, unable to respect anyone or anything. :D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
I'm not taking a dig, but I thought the same thing when I saw that post.
Oh and by the way Krissy I have never said anything about you - good or bad - in the past. Just largely enjoyed your postings and your sense of humour. Perhaps that long last post of yours was actually also a joke. It read like it.
Read your post in it's entirety GroobyKrissy. Very well thought out and composed. Was very informative and interesting the points you made. It can most certainly apply to any or all of us here. Not just here on the board, but anywhere. Want to thank you for taking the time to share what you did. It is certainly worthy of being re-read every now and then.
Nice to know someone like you is around, that isn't judgemental or prejudiced because someone's thoughts and idea's perhaps might not be the same as that of the majority, and not so quick to wish someone be banned.
This is simply not true. Do you want me to go through you post history and prove it? Or, would you simply like to retract the comment?Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
Look, I'm not going to get into this with you here because this is actually a decent thread and should continue to be so...
So, I'll do something "uncharacteristic" of me and start a new thread where we can have it out since you seem so intent to do so. I'm amused now and your arguments are childish, poor, and grounded on such illogical threads that it actually diminishes logic to even try and compare them. So meet me over there and let's have this out once and for all.
We've started with jokes about being addicted to doughnuts and now we're here. Gotta love this place sometimes.
Ludicrous.
You spelled his name wrong.
Yes dude...It's exactly about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
You don't have to stick a girl on a pedestal to kiss her arse...It's easy enough to reach, right where it is. :shrug
no, it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
you might want to see it like that through your cynical shade ray bans. but it is not so.
It's about the dudes here not knowing when to STFU and let stuff rest. they wanna go back and forth with the ladies. and it's more important to their ego than to just let something trivial or stupid go by.
Oh so lets complain about it because we know that will make a difference.
Sometimes, irony is just so delicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
If you'd followed your own advice and not started this thread, there wouldn't have been this thread:
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...57#post1497057
:whistle:
Complaining begets more complaining.
No, I said I don't mind the DUDES throwing down and going back and forthQuote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
it's when an asswipe and just keep talking shit to the GIRLS
get it through your thick skull dude. I'll throw down and go back and forth with you or any dude here until your fingertips are bleeding.
This sounds like a deflection to protect someone from their lies. :ignore:Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
In some instances i agree where its unfair belittle girls but in some its pretty fair to call them out on it, which is in this case here, i don't think nobody was being extremely rude or mean, they're just pointing out the the truth.
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Originally Posted by my my my!
No thanks, cupcake, you're not my type. :rolleyes:
WAAAAAAHHHH I want to play on the internet but bad people are hurting other people's feelings amirite?
The ratpack here who jibe at anyone with decent ideas and who enjoy baiting and bullying will be delighted to know that another decent guy - who was once prolific in his intelligent and thoughtful postings here - has told me, privately, that the culture of bullying here, primarily directed at girls has prompted him to leave this forum permanently.
7 pages of ranting about hurting people's feelings on a porn board? how much longer is this thread going to go on?
when someone says something you don't like...just call them on it in that thread and move on. posting about the quality of someone's post is just wasteful banter.
Aside from the occasional bullying are the outright idiotic, which sometimes are worse lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
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Originally Posted by Prospero
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Originally Posted by dderek123
I live by a certain code.
1) Never harm an innocent.
2) If some deserves it enough than they will more than likely get what's coming to them, its called Karma and Karma can be a bitch that will hide in the shadows, observing its pray, waiting... Finally it will attack and before you realize it you're laying on a table helpless.
Just ignore them, they will get what's coming to them!
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Originally Posted by Dexter_Morgan
I for one agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by RallyCola
Although the last time he left, it wasn't long before he came back ... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
Bearded One or Willie Escalade?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelf
Neither. The "Saintly" one ... :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockit_
The "Complaintly" one is more like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelf
BAM - you're banned. You were warned so don't come crying. You're the first and the rest better take note.Quote:
Originally Posted by dderek123
While I'm on the subject, here's my take. You guys with rose-tinted glasses about the "old days" it was worse then and girls always came and went (or were chased off because usually they lied or said stupid shit).
I like Robert Louis, he's a good guy, he's smart and he means well but he is one of the group here that can only see the girls as being right/good and doesn't like anyone criticising or calling their bullshit into question, he's not the only one. These guys need to get over it - I'm not going to give the girls a pass on their bullshit, simply because they are girls. They get equal treatment.
The question on girls coming and going, is nothing new. Girls get on Facebook or Twitter and get inundated with asslickers (not literally although they would be) and they can delete or monitor those who disagree with them. Not here, a girl posts bullshit and they're going to be called out on it, a girl asks an opinion and she doesn't like the answer, then that answer is going to stay. So some girls, just don't like the real world (or the real "internet world") where people disagree with them, so they leave. They don't get a pass to spout bullshit, spam or cause friction just because they're a girl - sometimes I might give a little more leeway (let them hang themselves) but ultimately ... they get equal treatment. Girls/Models who know how to make this forum work for them, do, and they get rewarded for it. Other girls, shouldn't let their bruised ego get in the way of self-promotion and learn how to play the long game.
Then there are the bullies. And they are there, and they know who they are - and we know who they are. One of them, just had to keep digging and sniping, so he's gone. It's his bad luck and mis-judgement that I read it this morning, there are worse offenders and they'll be gone also. Periodically this forum needs a culling, to keep it a better place for all, so you've been warned. Disagreeing with people, calling people into question, reacting to bullshit ... all fine, I'm one of the main people to do this. Getting into an online argument with someone - again, it's fine. Constantly harassing an individual, being the one person that needs to comment on every thread, being the overall cunt of the forum, you are out of here.
I'd probably make more money from this forum, if I left it to it's own devices and let people run amok and say anything, then it would become more combative yet possibly more popular. I won't let that happen - but I also won't let it become yet another venue for guys to asskiss every transgender, no matter what a bullshitting, or egotistical or lying fucker they may be. There needs to be a reality check - and this forum is it.
Fair dos ...
I didn't leave...I just changed my name and am posting less...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockit_
This is good to hear, actually. Approve of this message.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
Even I step away for a bit here and there...
I left for a long while,came back recently,and I try to keep my mouth shut as much as I can(though I still have my "outburst" moments)....since it seems EVERYTHING becomes an argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turlington
And yes, I'll be surprised if this statement DOESN'T cause something... :ignore:
Of the transexuals I know, one is in her 40s and so absorbed in her (successful) businesses she hasn't time for email, text messages, facebook etc and thus no interest in forums of any kind. I did once know an escort who posted a few messages on Hungangels but had a loyal clientele and was not interested in engaging in the kind of debates that take place here, and another escort who simply couldn't be bothered. Two girls I know who are in their late 20s communicate, mostly for their friends via Facebook, Instagram and twitter, with Instagram now taking precedence where a few years ago it was twitter and in two years time will probably be something else. Both have switched their Facebook accounts to private to combat offensive people. I can see why Hungangels exists, but it is of no relevance to the transexuals I know, none of whom post reports in forums of any kind. RobertLouis was candid about where he was born and grew up, where he lives, what he looks like, and what he does for a living, yet became the object of vitriolic abuse by people, some of whom were insisting that EvonRose provide scans of her academic qualifications in exactly the same way some Americans a few years ago insisted that Barack Obama provide birth certificates, dental records, fingerprints and god knows what else, to prove that he is indeed Barack Obama -the hypocrisy of some people would be beyond belief were it not inscribed in the posts they have submitted to this forum. If people can post here, they can just as easily visit Stanford University's MBA website where its fees are clearly stated, and draw their own conclusions, even though the whole of the truth of what they know about a certain person is less clear. There are times when it would be best to follow the advice of Seamus Heaney: whatever you say, say nothing.