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I have no idea about the percentage of gay men who prefer to bottom...60% to 70% of men who are attracted to MTF transsexuals want to bottom at some point although I suspect the vast majority of those are vers, and probably the percentage is higher among men who consistently see TS escorts...again, I have no idea if "there's a higher percentage of men into TS who prefer to be topped than strictly gay men who are bottoms."Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
This is recent for me, I'm totally str8 and no attraction to dick, don't want anything to do with it. So for me, I just think it's that some of the TS are extremely HOT so they are great to look at it. As far as an actual encounter, I've thought about it but unlikely as all I could do is top....like I said, no dick for me so I would probably lose interest pretty quick if I was expected to handle a cock.
^ But when you look at them - you see the cock?
Just sayin'---
at some point i asked myself honestly if i was gay, but i dont like masculinity. the penis i find sexual, but beyond that, i dont find men attractive. never have, probably never will.
why do i like them? well, porn. i saw it, and at first was confused, but then i was curious.
i dont think it matters why you are attracted, or what you're attracted to. just be yourself.
theres nothing wrong with accepting you find the penis to be sexual, thats just what it is. if you arent gay you arent gay, simple
Non-sequitur, hasn't yet acted out, no relevance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dondio
IME, the majority of "straight" guys attracted to TGs have crossdressing desires or fetishes of their own. It's a way of acting out without taking the plunge themselves, I guess.
As a man, I totally agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tina Francis
Not my experience. Any time I went looking for crotchless lingerie it was for my partner, either cis or trans girl. I personally have no desire to slip into them or to become a TG myself. Two of my friends who frequent TG's feel the same. Then again who knows, I never asked them to strip down so I could do a Victoria's Secret check. As far as fetishes go, doesn't everyone have some kind or another?Quote:
Originally Posted by sherricd
Well said!
One day - take the plunge and it will answer a lot of your questions.
It's not wrong - one of life's journey's.
AND - If you do and don't like it - DON'T beat yourself up over trying.
All good!
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Originally Posted by sulyamonogatari
I have fetishes (you probably figured it out from my name on here, lol), and I think that is a part of my attraction to TS. I had fetishes before I ever knew what a TS person was. But, I get turned on by the fact that some tgirls get turned on by wearing the clothes I like to see them in. That some of them share my fetish from the other "side", so to speak. I think that's the biggest difference between TS and genetic, even bigger than their genitals. I never felt a desire to be a woman or dress as one. I think the gender you identify with does not necessarily determine who you find attractive.Quote:
Originally Posted by sherricd
Fuck Off pal, is this like a AA forum? No matter what you say, you're a "Dry Drunk"...Human beings, ain't that somethin
Yes! Dry drinks for everyone.
I could go for a dry martini right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tapatio
One word.
Femininity
A vast number of American women seem to have forgotten or no longer care to be feminine.
and as a straight man what do i want from my partner?
One word
Femininity
Suspension of disbelief or willing suspension of disbelief is a term coined in 1817 by the poet and aesthetic philosopher Samuel Taylor Coleridge, who suggested that if a writer could infuse a "human interest and a semblance of truth" into a fantastic tale, the reader would suspend judgment ...
fantastic tail?
The Transsexuals I see in the 'burbs really aren't that attractive, and I'm not sure you take a Tgirl to meet the kinfolk on Thanksgiving no matter how beautiful she is.
But for a porn star or hooker, female eyes are female eyes.
Glad I wasn't the only one that has noticed that, thanks! No makeup, haven't taken a shower or washed their hair, like to talk about Football....Oh yeah, about as sexy as the colonoscopy I just had doneQuote:
Originally Posted by SXFX
Now you're on about the trappings of a woman.
It's mostly on the inside. That's the point.
Just don't mention the cock at all and you'll be fine.
Straight men like TS women just like straight men like GG women. Whether a woman has a pussy or a dick does not determine your sexual orientation.
In other words, a guy liking a female-to-male TS with a pussy is gay.
^THIS^Quote:
Originally Posted by SXFX
I posted this vid in Dino's thread as a joke, but then I thought what a great tool it would be to what draws me to certain transwomen. And that is their intense, almost coy femininity. Liliana has a gentle charm that is sadly becoming a lost art. She is just adorable.
Makeup | Gorgeous Green Eyes - YouTube
I don't know, if I met a trans girl, and if she was "the one" I think I could and my family would deal with it. That said, I just don't meet a lot of trans girls, so it's never come up.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttslinger
A lot of shit talked in this thread - I don't mean to be rude, but there isn't one definitive answer to the question asked by the OP.
For myself, I've always put my love of tgirls down to watching porn and inevitably seeing hung hard cocks performing. Then, discovering tgirls with their own hung cocks, my curiosity as to how they would feel and presto, I now love tgirls!
Also, if it is less about the cock and more about the feminine woman, how come so many sites and threads on this board are dedicated to big cocks?
Don't kid yourselves guys - it's the cocks we all love, big, hard, throbbing cocks. I'm not scared to admit it but like a previous poster said, I find the thought of sex with men repulsive. But a shemale? Well that's different....
There's actually a comprehensive study on this (and a Google Talk - just like a TED talk). The answer is that straight men are the only ones attracted to Transgendered women and T-porn. Gay men are not interested in the least (they are interested in men). Bi-men don't really care either. The thought is that men are able to see a woman with a penis and that throws some straight men's minds into hyper-drive.
why do threads like these persist???
Dude, I was just wondering. The idea that one's sexuality can radically evolve as an adult is a unique concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by RallyCola
I don't like to go through life oblivious to things happening around me and inside my head and NOT ask why.
Ignorance is not bliss.
Other than general sexual attraction to women, the particulars of what each of us finds sexually appealing has some psychological origin in our formative years, according to developmental theory.
I don't have a hangup with being attracted to TS women, but I am curious how a run of the mill straight guy wakes up one day and finds the combo of a woman with a penis irresistible. :shock::salad
Exactly, it isn't about am I gay or any of that bs...the question regarding how this all evolves later in life is very interesting to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
When I was 10 or 11 years old I used to draw pictures of naked women with big curvy hips, really large boobs and big dicks. This is more than 30 years ago way before the internet and way before I ever saw a skin mag. It turns out that two other men in my immediate family, one from another generation, have a similar interest in Tgirls. '
I've always loved genetic women and I've never had any interest in masculine men. As I get older, I'm finding it more difficult to maintain interest in a genetic female for more than a few weeks. If I had a genetic wife that was a 10 out of 10 I'd still find a way to spend time with a Tgirl as long as she was reasonable attractive. However, once a beautiful girl has SRS her power/allure is substantially diminished in my mind. I don't have to see, feel it or taste it but knowing it's there make a very big difference for me.
One of the previous posters was right about men, in general, being stimulated visually. I've become so accustomed to the exagerated femininity and sexuality of Tgirls that the only other women that really catch my eye are strippers. Most other women seem boring by comparison. The hair, the nails, the make up, high heels and revealing clothes light up most men's minds and flip our switches. Sometimes I feel like a striped bass. I see a bright and shiny lure that doesn't look quite like the other smelts but I like the way it's moving and sparkles and it sticks out from the other smelts. So, my prey drive kicks in and I'm on that lure and gobbling it up as fast as I can.
Wow, drawing pics like that at 10 or 11, that has to be something unique.
My early exposures led to absolutely no sexual attraction as I thought it was strictly a gay thing with men dressing up, as opposed to actual transsexuals...Lou Reed's very gay-sounding singing on Walk On The Wide Side (shaved her legs and then he was a she) reinforced that notion for me...then The Rocky Horror Picture Show, but he was so obviously a man in drag and that did nothing for me...occasionally perusing the escort listings in the old Village Voice and looking at the trans ads, but the pics were so small...the 80's and 90's renting x-rated videos but the places I rented from had nothing trans although I looked at some pics online and didn't like them.
Then I stumbled on to pics and vids of Barbie Woods around 2004-5 and all of a sudden I was hooked...specifically the video she did wearing boots and you could see how hard her cock was as she was getting fucked, that got to me immediately and I knew I wanted to do what that guy was doing...from there I was finding myself more and more drawn to TS porn, but still it took me another 5-6 years before I actually took the plunge.
So now I'm wondering what would have happened if I had seen that when I was in my 20's...but my thinking is that with the quality that's available now, if a young guy sees pics of a trans girl that's his type (latin, blonde, etc.) I can't see him not getting into it although he probably would keep it dl.
Meantime I have a theory that most people disagree with, which is that all sexually active straight men are attracted to transsexuals once they are exposed to them, although the "participation" (for lack of a better term) will vary from keeping it a deep dark secret to extreme activity within the scene.
But if you have a sexually active straight man who looks at porn in general, with enough time and privacy, and he is exposed to today's transsexual porn, he will be aroused and will be able to masturbate to orgasm, no doubt in my mind.
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Originally Posted by nysprod
+1. I don't have anything to back this up either, but whenever I hear or read a guy say that a tgirl is (sexually) attractive, which is at its most basic level what a guy means when he says a woman is 'pretty', in ideal, i.e., totally discreet and unknown to anyone else, circumstances that guy would fuck that TS or engage in some sexual activity.
I definitely believe a man's first reaction to a TS woman is at worst confusion, not repulsion.
The overall quality and beauty of many TS today really makes the idea of opening one's self up to the idea they're attracted to TS women a much shorter bridge to cross.
As a kid I was very sexually intrigued by John Waters' Divine.
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Voluptuous, huge boobs, campy, funny, even her sexy, husky voice made her an early crush.
Until I found out Divine was a dragqueen, didn't have boobs and was actually a gay man.
LOL. I was searching for more images from the John Waters' flick Pink Flamingos,( I haven't seen it in over 20 years!) and came across a gif. that shocked me, below.
http://shellygif.typepad.com/.a/6a01...4ded970c-800wi
There was a pretty, preop TS in Pink Flamingos some perv tries to flash until she pulls up her dress and returns the favor.
I totally do not remember that scene. At all.
Did I block it out?? Maybe that's where it all started.:geek:
Thought I'd share my experience:
I started watching Gay and TS porn nearly ten years ago. When I started doing it, I wondered what was up with me, and went into a sort of self-analysis to find out what I was really into.
I paid more attention to the people around me, men and female, to find out which ones I was naturally attracted to. Turns out I was always attracted to girls, and I really don't like men. I find them repulsive and I find the idea of touching a man disgusting. So I guess, if I was to label myself, I'd be what they call "bi-curious".
So what about transgenders, then? I never met one, so I don't know how I would feel in presence of one. Would I be attracted to her like I am to a girl, or, regardless of how feminine and attractive she looked, would I feel those XY chromosomes and be repulsed by her?
I don't know the answer to this question yet. I live in the countryside and I find it hard to take the plunge, not knowing if I'll have the best time of my life or if I'll just end up wasting my time and money.
Reading topics like this one and reading other people's thoughts and experiences helps, because I can see some people in a situation similar to mine: guys attracted to T-girls but not men... so maybe that's not so unusual...
nysprod: I agree with you. I believe most men would enjoy TS porn if exposed to it, especially with some girls who are absolutely stunning. Not all of them will admit it, though :)
Yeah, Pink Flamingos, that was another exposure that reinforced what I knew: nothing to do with transsexualism, just gay men dressing as women, freak show, etc...no sexual attraction there whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
The point made that it's femininity that forms the initial attraction holds true for me. Like others have said, I like a woman's figure, especially if she's voluptuous and wearing a sexy outfit. I also like big hair and makeup if it's not too cartoonish. Seeing RuPaul's "Supermodel" video the first time was a huge turn on for me. I knew it was a guy but it was easy to pretend she wasn't!
That's different from the cock thing though. The first time I remember getting worked up over that was seeing a set of Vanessa Del Rio wearing a strap on. It felt weird getting aroused by that photo set but seeing Naughty Nessa sporting that thing did something for me. It looked like fun. The girl I was seeing at the time convinced me to try anal beads so I knew having something stuck up there could feel great. I was worried that might make me gay but she reassured me that gayness is being attracted to someone of the same sex and that what a man and a woman do together sexually isn't gay at all. Worked for me.
Fast forward a couple years and I see one of those giant sized boxes that porn tapes used come in for Gia Darling's "Transsexual Heartbreakers 5". Instant wood. I take the tape home, beat off, feel ashamed, and repeat that cycle again and again until I realize straight porn does nothing for me anymore, that I get more turned on by chicks with dicks than those without.
Me too. I feel like reading and writing about this helps me understand my own attraction to trans women.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
For the same reason why we straight men are so into Latin women, especially those from places like Colombia.
Femininity!
American women have gotten or have become....very "angry" and i would even say "butch"
And well in any relationship there is the guy and there is the gal.
and I have the cock so i'm the motherfucking guy...so if the bitch think she is the cock then we are going to have a small problem....as how fast will she have to beg me to forgive her when i show her the fucking door!
Not to beat a dead horse, but there truly is nothing more perfect in this world than an absolutely gorgeous, sexy woman with a perfect cock between her legs. I think we can all agree on that. It's the things that we're into when we encounter said woman and cock is what makes our attractions/fetishes unique. For me it's just about giving oral. Never have and never will be topped.
I have always been and still am into pussy, but I've never been a fan of eating pussy. I've actually only gone down on a few woman in my life, and I've been with a lot of different woman. But when it comes to a TS, there's no hesitation. I can go down on her for days. But that's basically all I want to do. On the very rare occasion, I'll fuck her. Nine times out of ten, I'm just into giving her oral. I'm so overly disgusted by shit/fecal matter, that I don't want to put my dick near it or even potentially smell it. Even though it's clean, just the thought of crap coming out that hole turns me off from wanting to fuck it. So, I'm good with just the oral. But occasionally I still want to get my fuck on.
Another thing is, I cannot watch TS porn when a dude is getting topped by a TS. That turns me off big time. I can watch a dude blowing a TS, and I can watch a dude topping the TS. But the second the guy starts getting fucked, I have to fast forward the video. Not trying to be judgemental, but that to me makes me think of gay sex. If the numbers are even remotely accurate, then 60-70% of the guys do not feel the same way. I guess it goes back to us not viewing ourselves as gay, which I don't. However, sucking on a cock is a "gay" activity, but I'll only do it with a passable TS. I never have and never will have a cock up my ass. Just doesn't appeal to me.
It just sucks that I can't openly talk about my attraction to pre-op TS women. Society, my friends and family just wouldn't get it if I shared with them how I love to suck TS cock and will allow her to bust a nut in my mouth but will not go down on my girlfriend. Sorry for blabbing. First time I've ever talked about my penchant for sucking TS dick.
I love this question because it makes for very interesting conversation. My thoughts are that if a T-girl is very feminine-like, and possess a rock-hard dick, it’s like and I hate to sound cliché the best of both worlds. My thoughts have always been when a t-girl shows visible excitement by possessing a rock hard dick which is extremely hard pun intended to hide. A genetic woman may lubricate which isn't visibly noticeable, but a hard dick can't be hidden. For me seeing a t-girl masturbate is like seeing a woman jack off a man in a single body, and is exciting as Hell!! I also have a preference of seeing T-girls top, which is like seeing a dominate woman, which makes my nature rise; and is a beautiful thing! I love you T-girls!
Additionally, after reading some of the other posts, I can’t image a T-girl only wanting to be topped, and not being able to reciprocate. Some of you may find it strange, but being bottomed, and looking up a lovely T-girl who is in a sexual frenzy who is jacking me off while tapping that ass make me want to cum just thinking about it! I don’t think that I could be that sexually selfish. I would like to think that a woman with a dick would like to have it both ways, but those are just my thoughts?
:)
Vic
Oh stop, as per your avatar you like to bottom...this is something I brought up a few pages back; the majority of guys into TS want to bottom, and this is why so many guys are into pro-op TS women.
I'm basically a straight man in that I only top and I'm not attracted to gay men who have body hair and other masculine features. I'm mainly attracted to pre-op transsexual women with natural hormone breasts and fem boys who could pass as women if they crossdress. I think that the near-female, male body is very beautiful in a classical sense. It also helps that they are pretty like girls but horny like guys. A transsexual woman is a lot more likely to give you a rim-job or swallow your cum than a cisgender woman.
It's weird because there's so many different sub-categories of trans-attracted men.
For instance if I'm at a club or the gym with a group of guys checking out natal women, I'm fairly certain we're all thinking roughly the same thing sexually as far as what we would like to do with these ladies.
But 5 different guys into trans-women could have 5 different sexual desires for a tgirl in the bedroom.
For TS in real time relationships, that must make any dating scenario that much harder.
I'm straight.
I'm attracted to women.
I have a penis - I like my penis.
I started watching lesbian porn when I was young (who wants to look at other guys penises?)
Wow hardcore porn is where it's at.
I like watching penises going into vaginas.
I like watching penises going into assholes.
Chicks like it. Gay dudes like it. Why not trying putting stuff in my ass? (I've never acquired the taste for it, but I keep trying for some reason.)
Combine ALL that shit together and I end up slowly, VERY slowly watching and enjoying TS porn.
If a TS girl tops in a scene, I usually fast-forward. When a guy is sucking cock, I usually fast forward (especially if he has a beard or if he takes a facial, NO THX.)
BUT, I do enjoy BDSM scenes where a domina fucks a male sub.
Moral of the story. Give me another 10 years and I'll be watching gay midget orgy porn lubed up with roman and red showers.