Why so many transgender girls are struggling with mental issues these days?

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Originally Posted by GroobySteven

This would be the same in gender girls also.
Good luck with the surgery!

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I second that...all the best on your journey.

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Originally Posted by Prospero

I personally find Jamie's remarks rather harsh and dismissive of the obvious distress and emotional unhappiness felt by some girls. I know many - both those who escort and others. Some can, like Jamie roll with the punches and come back fighting. But some are very fragile emotionally - some because of family rejection, others because of other traumas around their gender issues. I'm very glad for Jamie that she is tough and not troubled by many of the things that knock some other girls sideways. But simply telling the emotionally fragile to get their act together and stop being wimps - essentially her message - is too simplistic. And perhaps as she is strong, some better advice to those who aren't would be more helpful?

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Jamie's message could be interpreted as simplistic in the same way the over-the-top neediness so in fashion today could be simply interpreted as weakness. (Not every damn obstacle in life needs to be minutely analysed, consulted on with some specialized 'professional', or requires a 'support' group.) There are no fast and easy answers to deal with personal or mental health issues - some people respond to a kick in the ass and some to nurturing. At least Jamie is consistent with her message.

Well, Miranda, It's obvious from trhe way you write that you have one thing going for you....you are really smart.

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Originally Posted by tsmirandameadows

I would say that being trans is a slow burning trauma which often has severe deleterious effects on one's social-emotional functioning. Furthermore, I would say that being an MtF transsexual imposes certain psychological and particularly social demands which being an FtM does not. For example, bathroom scare screeds are always built around the notion of a perverted guy claiming to be a girl so that he can go into the women's restroom to molest the womenfolk and little girls: you never hear scare stories about perverted women sneaking into the men's room. Because of culture's gender norms, a "man masquerading as a woman" is perceived as threatening in a way that a "woman masquerading as a man" does not. Likewise, in fiction, the former is always treated as comic and absurd, the latter as a mark of cleverness. Couple with this with the insecurities and second class citizen status all women face, and being an MtF is probably the harder row to hoe, even if FtMs don't have an easy path either.

All that aside, being trans is traumatic. Furthermore, it is a lifelong trauma, which changes over time in form and intensity, but never fully goes away. The extent to which someone is able to manage that trauma depends a lot on external factors, i.e. family/social support, financial stability, supportive (or not) educational environment, supportive (or not) work environment, stable housing, unrelated mental health problems, disabilities, etc. If you have a bad mix of external factors, it becomes much harder to bear the trauma of being trans without there being lasting negative side effects on your psyche.

In my own case -- and I most certainly qualify as one of the drama queens you mentioned -- I had a very bad mix of external factors and I couldn't bear up under the weight of it all. That isn't to suggest that no one else has problems, just that when I consider my history from as objective a standpoint as I can muster, it is little wonder I'm as fucked as I am. My family history is extremely fucked up, featuring long-term abuse and poverty, parents with mental health problems and a brother with severe physical disability absorbing all of the energy and effort of the family. I experienced pretty severe bullying in my school years, eventually leading to a behavior pattern of social isolation and inability to form friendships/relationships which persists to this day. I inherited a bipolar spectrum mood disorder from my great grandfather, and as a consequence I was in and out of school as a kid, unable to maintain a stable mood state for any extended period of time. That pattern of cycling between marginal functionality and complete dysfunctionality has persisted into my adult years. My initial attempts at transition were very unsuccessful and led to near complete social rejection and long term unemployment. I could go on, and while I don't mean to suggest that I'm the only one with problems, I do want to emphasize that the sum total of the challenges I have faced has been quite large, and the fact that I am such damaged goods is directly related to that.

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Originally Posted by Nikka

names tatiana :)

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1) Nikka
2) Tatiana
3) Nikka
4) Tatiana

:)

que bellas las dos!

I found this a very interesting, thought provoking thread with a minimum of name calling and the word "horseshit" was only used 3 or 4 times.

I wonder if today's Jersey Shore/Jerry Springer culture has not exacerbated the poor mental health within the trans community. GGs and TGs watch the above mentioned shows and think it is okay/normal to flip out at the least provocation. Society is also at fault in demanding that people behave with proper decorum (at least in public).

One would think that if one were walking a tightrope anyway that one would have the common sense to dial it down a little bit (or dial it down a lot in the case of Ms. French).
Chronic overreaction to stimuli always seems to inflame the situation.

Lots of valid, intelligent, heartfelt arguments and comments here. But a question hit me the other day. Is there any valid data out there? Lots of anecdotal, personal evidence cited here but only glittering generalities regarding the overall population. For instance something tragic but easy to measure, has anyone studied the incidence of suicide in the trans population? What frequency? Greater among M2F or F2M? At what point in transition? Anybody ever study a reasonably large sample of M2F subjects from start of transition to say 5 yrs later and administer MMPI's or extended interviews at selected intervals? Don't know how much that info would help in relieving suffering but it would be a start at least in trying to understand behaviors.

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Originally Posted by jimbo00us

Well, Miranda, It's obvious from trhe way you write that you have one thing going for you....you are really smart.

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No kidding.

Miranda I appreciate your insights as well as other who have differing opinons.
I hope you can find some solice in opening up so publicly. It may even be helpful to some girl struggling with her own issues.

Even though I am here for the porn, its nice to see the forum rise above it now and then.

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Originally Posted by TatianaSummer

It seems like 90% of the girls I know are struggling with some kind of mental issue. Of course I would say this has to do with being transgender but rarely I meet a girl that is just down to earth, relax, and not a drama queen. I know sometimes it has to do with their past and experiences though but hopefully I start seeing a change in this. I know also a few transgender guys (at least 3) and at least all the ones I know don't have any of these mental issues and they just live a "regular" life. So is it the hormones the girls are taking? or not taking hormones what is causing this? Ok now I am lost, LOL. what is your opinion on this?

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http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Transheal...talhealth.aspx

Covers most of the bases :)

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Originally Posted by GroobySteven

I'm not going to get into discussing Miranda in the 3rd person.

How many of the people on here do you really know as friends or have had personal interaction with?
Would you expect or even want support from here other than something TS/porn related?
Don't you think that much of the support from here (or on other social networks where it's fan based) has little validity other than "fans" trying to appease or pander?

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A few but we all drifted apart when Allanah, Sunny, and Dina's parties broke up. Those were the days. The days of trying to sneak 40's into Allanah's parties with NYCe, Pickles, and Bigguy are long gone.

No. If you want actual support there are small Transgendered social networks popping up left and right. People are tired of the drama associated with Facebook and are looking at different areas. Many are micro-sized, maybe 1,000 people worldwide but they can be much more supportive. Some have 24 hour chats which are cool. No chasing and no girls pandering. Just support, if Miranda is interested I can point her to a couple. Just send me a PM.

I personally know a few Brits here - and we meet (and i don't just mean escorts)

show me a normal person now these days?

Hormone induced body, social inequality will def bring in some anger in the oppressed human situation.

Social induced mental instability, chip in the shoulders is all a revolving history.

This does not mean or make a ts more susceptible to mental instability, self harm, or depression because it's part of transsexuality.

ANYONE in the oppressed situation would be as, if not even more affected.

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Originally Posted by TatianaSummer

I personally think that these girls are all fine, just that the problems are being created by society. If society wasn't as how it is on them then they would not be running into so many situations, lowering problems means less stress and more positive foundation to keep moving forward with their heads up. From the boys pointing their finger to the professionals at gov offices it all stacks up until these girls can't handle. If society didn't judge them and was fine and "normal" to them then this girls would feel more comfortable being themselves.

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I wonder how much of what people talk about is actual mental illness and how much of it is behavior based on personality traits. For instance, I've met TS that you could tell had been abused or abandoned many times over, and they understandably had trust and anger issues. Then of course there is the problem with society not being particularly embracing or understanding.

However, then there are TS I've met that just seem to be naturally catty, flamboyant and quick to anger, more so than most (same thing with some gay men I've observed). Now, you have all types of people in the world, but maybe some groups tend to have more of one type than another.

I'm not putting this out there are any type of definitive opinion, rather just random thoughts on the subject.

Its a damn shame when a tranny starts off as an innocent young lets say 17 or 18 yr old and u can tell she has potential. You befriend her, and help her out thru her yrs of progressing. One day she gets tits, which are spot on, and u notice her ass developing and her dude face even changing into a gurls. Sex is still great, and sooner or later she changes completely, from innocent teenager fem boi, to a foul mouthed revengeful, spiteful, lying, money hungry hooker whore, on hormones one day and off the next... to someone you don't even get turned on to any further, and wonder how other guys can!!

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Originally Posted by LI SEAN08

Its a damn shame when a tranny starts off as an innocent young lets say 17 or 18 yr old and u can tell she has potential. You befriend her, and help her out thru her yrs of progressing. One day she gets tits, which are spot on, and u notice her ass developing and her dude face even changing into a gurls. Sex is still great, and sooner or later she changes completely, from innocent teenager fem boi, to a foul mouthed revengeful, spiteful, lying, money hungry hooker whore, on hormones one day and off the next... to someone you don't even get turned on to any further, and wonder how other guys can!!

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You really need to make an exit from this board, first bragging about 'yoking' and beating up girls over in the NY Reviews thread and now this shit.

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Originally Posted by LI SEAN08

Its a damn shame when a tranny starts off as an innocent young lets say 17 or 18 yr old and u can tell she has potential. You befriend her, and help her out thru her yrs of progressing. One day she gets tits, which are spot on, and u notice her ass developing and her dude face even changing into a gurls. Sex is still great, and sooner or later she changes completely, from innocent teenager fem boi, to a foul mouthed revengeful, spiteful, lying, money hungry hooker whore, on hormones one day and off the next... to someone you don't even get turned on to any further, and wonder how other guys can!!

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Your reply has nothing to do with this thread.

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Originally Posted by NYBURBS

I wonder how much of what people talk about is actual mental illness and how much of it is behavior based on personality traits. For instance, I've met TS that you could tell had been abused or abandoned many times over, and they understandably had trust and anger issues. Then of course there is the problem with society not being particularly embracing or understanding.

However, then there are TS I've met that just seem to be naturally catty, flamboyant and quick to anger, more so than most (same thing with some gay men I've observed). Now, you have all types of people in the world, but maybe some groups tend to have more of one type than another.

I'm not putting this out there are any type of definitive opinion, rather just random thoughts on the subject.

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I second that.

OH, I was bragging was I? Figures a weak minded moron like yourself would interpret what I had to say as bragging. I suppose I was just supposed to stand there and let her attack me then??? And Now u attack something in this thread that I have actually experienced? Did I mention her name dude???

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Originally Posted by TatianaSummer

Your reply has nothing to do with this thread.

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Why would u say that? I personally was involved with a t gurl who went thru exactly what I described. That would b categorized as mental issues tied into hormones and other things I left out.

u need to bring up name, who u talkin about ?

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Originally Posted by simonisthebest

u need to bring up name, who u talkin about ?

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No I don't!!!l Last time I did that, I was attacked by certain individuals with their own ulteria motives to try and shut me up.

nah homie , i was talkin to tatiana,im just wonderin who she talkin about...who strugglin with mental issues theses days ?

Well, so much for adding anything to that thread. That quickly turned to total crap.

OK.... Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Originally Posted by LI SEAN08

Its a damn shame when a tranny starts off as an innocent young lets say 17 or 18 yr old and u can tell she has potential. You befriend her, and help her out thru her yrs of progressing. One day she gets tits, which are spot on, and u notice her ass developing and her dude face even changing into a gurls. Sex is still great, and sooner or later she changes completely, from innocent teenager fem boi, to a foul mouthed revengeful, spiteful, lying, money hungry hooker whore, on hormones one day and off the next... to someone you don't even get turned on to any further, and wonder how other guys can!!

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Many people are going to be surprised about this, and many folks will change their opinion about me...but what he said has some truth to it. Even though I haven't been intimate up with them, I do know of quite a few girls that are just like this.

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Originally Posted by Tara Emory

Well, so much for adding anything to that thread. That quickly turned to total crap.

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Are you surprised?

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Originally Posted by dderek123

Are you surprised?

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not really. I sorta have been avoiding getting involved at all on this board once I saw the quality of the posters go waaaaay downhill.

HA isn't what it was.

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Originally Posted by Ben in LA

Many people are going to be surprised about this, and many folks will change their opinion about me...but what he said has some truth to it. Even though I haven't been intimate up with them, I do know of quite a few girls that are just like this.

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We are not talking if its true or not Ben. We are talking that it has nothing to do with this thread. So now you will be one of the cry babies as well??
If the girl doesn't want to be with you anymore for any reason or she's a bitch now then just be the first to dump her and look for another girl starting and go all over the cycle. Many needs your help not only one. LOL
Its not like the end of the world.
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Originally Posted by LI SEAN08

Its a damn shame when a tranny starts off as an innocent young lets say 17 or 18 yr old and u can tell she has potential. You befriend her, and help her out thru her yrs of progressing. One day she gets tits, which are spot on, and u notice her ass developing and her dude face even changing into a gurls. Sex is still great, and sooner or later she changes completely, from innocent teenager fem boi, to a foul mouthed revengeful, spiteful, lying, money hungry hooker whore, on hormones one day and off the next... to someone you don't even get turned on to any further, and wonder how other guys can!!

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Ohh ok now I get your point. I thought you were just trying to talk about some fem boi using you.

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Originally Posted by Ben in LA

Many people are going to be surprised about this, and many folks will change their opinion about me...but what he said has some truth to it. Even though I haven't been intimate up with them, I do know of quite a few girls that are just like this.

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well thank you, cause hopefully someone of your stature has a lot more personal experience in some of these disassociated identity crisises these gurls go thru!!

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Originally Posted by TatianaSummer

We are not talking if its true or not Ben. We are talking that it has nothing to do with this thread. So now you will be one of the cry babies as well??
If the girl doesn't want to be with you anymore for any reason or she's a bitch now then just be the first to dump her and look for another girl starting and go all over the cycle. Many needs your help not only one. LOL
Its not like the end of the world.
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Holy shit,...... who said she doesn't want to b with me any longer!!!!!!!
Im the one who lost interest.....!!!!!!! Or is it u just have an agender with me?? I still see her to this day!!!!!!!:smileysex:

Some girls are crazy because they transitioned
Some girls transition because they are crazy.
Some girls go crazy with their transition.
Some girl go crazy without it.

Some girls have problems with their transition because of mental issues
Some girls have problems with their mental issues because of transition.

Saying some girls is not the same as saying the sum of all girls But some of those who for whom it can be said are some of the most visible or representative girls and they set the trend or create the meme. Most girls will deal better with whatever their issues are with greater tolerance and support and acceptance. Its nearly impossible to know which ones won't. It best to try to treat everyone as well as you can and hope its received and benefits as intended, since it really doesn't cost anything to pay respect. Or attention.

FK

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Originally Posted by TatianaSummer

We are not talking if its true or not Ben. We are talking that it has nothing to do with this thread. So now you will be one of the cry babies as well??

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Nope.

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If the girl doesn't want to be with you anymore for any reason or she's a bitch now then just be the first to dump her and look for another girl starting and go all over the cycle. Many needs your help not only one. LOL
Its not like the end of the world.
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Sure I'd be hurt, but I'll move on as well. Too many fish in the sea. People change...just not always for the better.

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Originally Posted by Felicia Katt

Its best to try to treat everyone as well as you can and hope its received and benefits as intended, since it really doesn't cost anything to pay respect. Or attention.

FK

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True...but is someone doesn't appreciate that, then fuck 'em. Someone who I thought was a close friend turned on me due to a misunderstanding and second hand information. Am I chasing after them for friendship? Shit, no. I was doing fine before I met them; I can do even better after the friendship ends.

Firt very few tgirls have mental problems, just like regular girls.
Yes being trans could face a lot of issues and pressure but it doesn't mean you have to be weak and surrender to them, instead of crying and bitching all day why not tough up and stand up against them.
If you grow up in a poor family, then earn a lot of money.
If your parents are abusive, then be a good parent yourself.
If your friends don't like you, then tell them to fuck off and make some new friends.
The world is cruel and brutal, crying for help is never gonna work.
No one is gonna show up miracally to help you and the only way to survive is to be stronger and tougher than others, than anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Felicia Katt

Some girls are crazy because they transitioned
Some girls transition because they are crazy.
Some girls go crazy with their transition.
Some girl go crazy without it.

Some girls have problems with their transition because of mental issues
Some girls have problems with their mental issues because of transition.

Saying some girls is not the same as saying the sum of all girls But some of those who for whom it can be said are some of the most visible or representative girls and they set the trend or create the meme. Most girls will deal better with whatever their issues are with greater tolerance and support and acceptance. Its nearly impossible to know which ones won't. It best to try to treat everyone as well as you can and hope its received and benefits as intended, since it really doesn't cost anything to pay respect. Or attention.

FK

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This close to what I was going to say. Everyone in life has stress, but trans women in general have less support networks. Major example is church. Many people use religion for comfort, including myself. However many also use religion to justify mistreatment of trans people,even though it goes against certain religious principles. As a result, I believe the trans community is lacking in knowledge of one of life's most essential keys to happiness. That key is to love others, as you love yourself. Giving to others, or something positive for the sake of Love, returns to the giver, as self fulfillment. But please note, you can't pour your love down a sewer, and be happy. Complicating this all, is that a trans person has to be selfish, to go against the grain of society, and even basic nature. This is why it is so important to teach the world that we all have the same purpose in life: that is to bring more Love into the world, and thus leave it with something positive. "Give and it shall be given unto you". And so it is!

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Originally Posted by Tara Emory

not really. I sorta have been avoiding getting involved at all on this board once I saw the quality of the posters go waaaaay downhill.

HA isn't what it was.

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Well I'm still here m'lady.

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Across society, at least in the U.S.A. where illness is stigmatized and treatment is a luxury, there is a larger problem with mental illness than most people realize. There can be stress and trauma, of course, from transphobia that transwomen experience but cisgender people do not.