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seanchai
nope. Nice guys finish first.
You can't just be "nice" though. You have to team that with confidence. You have to have a sense of humour. You can't just be superficially "nice" - you need to be honest and genuine. You need to engage people in more than "just about you".
Also you can't be "nice" all the time. You need to have principles, stand your ground, defend your position and protect your friends.
Although some might find it hard to believe (from some of the responses i've posted here), i've been a nice guy my whole life. When younger (teens & university) it certainly seemed that being nice wasn't working - but as soon as i found my confidence to be who i wanted to be, and not try to base my persona on what my perception of what was "cool" then it all fell together.
Being nice has enabled me to finish far from last - and usually at the top.
qft.
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lifeisfiction
Well I disagree with you and Eva. I disagree with Eva for the mere fact that being rude, impolite does not make a person genuine. A genuine person is true to ones self, it does not mean having a certain way of communication makes the person genuine. Nor does being polite make a person less genuine or on the other side more so of a real person. I think Jamie a lot times you assume too much about things and it leads you to misjudge situations and people. There is a lot to life and the greatest students of life are the ones who are always willing to learn.
Then your comprehension skills are at an all time low if you didn't understand what I said. Re-read. Repeat at least 9 times. Then if you still have the same answer then you are not comprehending what I mean. I'm serious, I am not joking, and I mean not to offend. Seriously, if you can't take what I said and pick out the meaning, and understand, then hope is lost.
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Jamie French
Dude, simplify your point... stop using unnecessary brackets, refine your language. I have no idea what you're trying to say. Communication skills - lacking.
Guess I better call the Board of Regents of the University System of Maryland & tell 'em they can have their Degree back...
Wonder if it's too late to ask for a REFUND? $$$
And BTW, the brackets [], dashes--, & ellipses ... are what I call my "poetic license"...it's just a way (MY WAY) of stating that my thoughts/feelings are ever-evolving & constantly in motion, even when I'm putting them in print...
[just my lil' creative quirk when i'm on forum/op boards & social media...]
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goatman
Guess I better call the Board of Regents of the University System of Maryland & tell 'em they can have their Degree back...
Wonder if it's too late to ask for a REFUND? $$$
And BTW, the brackets [], dashes--, & ellipses ... are what I call my "poetic license"...it's just a way (MY WAY) of stating that my thoughts/feelings are ever-evolving & constantly in motion, even when I'm putting them in print...
[just my lil' creative quirk when i'm on forum/op boards & social media...]
...............looks like someone or something's got your Goat, man!
In all seriousness though, if you need to pull out some little certificate to qualify your ability to communicate then you probably should call the University of Maryland and return it. I think I get what you're trying to say but think also that your words are getting in the way of your thoughts - just a thought ;)
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runningdownthatdream
...............looks like someone or something's got your Goat, man!
In all seriousness though, if you need to pull out some little certificate to qualify your ability to communicate then you probably should call the University of Maryland and return it. I think I get what you're trying to say but think also that your words are getting in the way of your thoughts - just a thought ;)
"Well, if you can't laugh at yourself..."--Bill Clinton, Family Guy LOL:joke::iagree:
I think you got it...(little self-deprecating humor) & I nearly did catch the GOAT pun[nice!]
Yeah, everybody from my parents, to teachers, professors, co-workers, ex-girlfriends, and ONE PARTICULAR DRILL INSTRUCTOR have at one time or another all said the same thing....
"YOU THINK TOO MUCH!!" ;)
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If a person is genuinely impolite and and rude then that is exactly genuine. Since when does being genuine only count in matters of positive traits?
BUT, none of that even matters... that's all red hearing stuff meant to detract from the subject at hand.
The actual, non internet, real life facts of the matter will continue to play out as they always have. Confident, outgoing, productive people like myself will have really cool lives full of stories and experiences and we won't ever complain about how we're treated by society, (ahem - girls)
Others... won't.
Argue all you want with that, but I have porn to shoot, girls to fuck and an album to produce so I gotsta' go.
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lifeisfiction
Well I disagree with you and Eva. I disagree with Eva for the mere fact that being rude, impolite does not make a person genuine. A genuine person is true to ones self, it does not mean having a certain way of communication makes the person genuine. Nor does being polite make a person less genuine or on the other side more so of a real person. I think Jamie a lot times you assume too much about things and it leads you to misjudge situations and people. There is a lot to life and the greatest students of life are the ones who are always willing to learn.
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Dude, you're thick and you suck. You ought to get a refund because no one taught you the importance of brevity or balance in writing when trying to make a persuasive argument.
Poetic license? What a cunt. Writers like you punish your readers with each and every unnecessary Obfuscation. You should be bared from writing anything.
Oh look! I went to college, I have lifetime debt! Google is free and nobody told me!
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Originally Posted by
goatman
Guess I better call the Board of Regents of the University System of Maryland & tell 'em they can have their Degree back...
Wonder if it's too late to ask for a REFUND? $$$
And BTW, the brackets [], dashes--, & ellipses ... are what I call my "poetic license"...it's just a way (MY WAY) of stating that my thoughts/feelings are ever-evolving & constantly in motion, even when I'm putting them in print...
[just my lil' creative quirk when i'm on forum/op boards & social media...]
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Jamie French
Dude, you're thick and you suck. You ought to get a refund because no one taught you the importance of brevity or balance in writing when trying to make a persuasive argument.
Poetic license? What a cunt. Writers like you punish your readers with each and every unnecessary Obfuscation. You should be bared from writing anything.
Oh look! I went to college, I have lifetime debt! Google is free and nobody told me!
You left out "NARCISSIST", "Bombastic, Pompous Ass", "Brillant but vapid ultimately lazy pseudo-intellectual", "Creative but undisciplined asshole" & "Well-Mannered, borderline sociopath":);)
Nope..., Not on ANY pape:r never had a loan don't owe a thing...(thank you work-study, parttime hours at Kaiser Permanente, various white-collar jobs & Uncle Sam for all those frequent deployments that really saved my ass back when I thought plastic & "keeping up with the Joneses" was the American Dream.") I may not get to Heaven, but at least no Big Bank owns my soul--or my ASS!
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Nah, you're none of those things. You're writing would be engaging if that were the case. You're milquetoast, retire weary and miserable at 65, middle management material at best.
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goatman
You left out "NARCISSIST", "Bombastic, Pompous Ass", "Brillant but vapid ultimately lazy pseudo-intellectual", "Creative but undisciplined asshole" & "Well-Mannered, borderline sociopath"<3 <3 <3:);)
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goatman
Guess I better call the Board of Regents of the University System of Maryland & tell 'em they can have their Degree back...
Wonder if it's too late to ask for a REFUND? $$$
If it was in communication studies, you should probably ask for a refund.
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Jamie French
Nah, you're none of those things. You're writing would be engaging if that were the case. You're milquetoast, retire weary and miserable at 65, middle management material at best.
You're off by about 23 years(come Sunday), one vacated "high-shine, no finish" commission sales stint in Retail Hell, one political grass-roots door-knocker gig for the Big Man @ 1600 Penn Ave, N.W., 1 decent LSAT score, several botched attempts at Graduate School(notably Johns Hopkins), one high[at the time] paying- under appreciated whipping boy teaching job, 4.2 years protecting Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, & North Texas from Al-Qaeda( by carrying an m16A2 rifle, an m9 pistol & polishing a gate shack with my ass) , 2 years as a "legally-licensed drug dealer" 5 years college(1 year private liberal arts, 4 years State), high school in the 80's(2.5 Catholic, 1.5 public), 1 "fair-to Middlen" SAT score, 1 HIGH ACT score, a mixed-portmanteau/hodgepodge primary education[read: "Montessori-Catholic-public], 2 Ataris, 1 Sega, 1 NES, 1 N64, 2 pawned-PlayStation2s, 1 pawned-xbox, 4 destroyed cars(all high performance), 1 under-appreciated & under-obedience trained Beagle, 1 German Shepherd puppy dead from dysentery, 1 half-sister whom I didn't meet until I was 20, 1 full-sister I still can't figure out, 4 failed engagements(the most recent one in Vegas), 1 possible "love child" in North Texas, 1 one-night stand(possibly resulting in afore-mention possible "love child" in North Texas), 13 ex-girlfriends(8 of whom were strippers-I mean "exotic dancers"), 3 girlfriends who were directly or indirectly separated from me(because of my race/ethnic origin), 2 beautifully aging Southern-born parents that I admittedly put through Hell when I was younger, numerous exasperated/frustrated/disappointed friends, extended family members, teachers, college professor(one of whom a noted & internationally recognized Shakespeare scholar)& clergy(of both the Roman Catholic AND the A.M.E. faith), 3 Company-Grade Officers of the United States Air Force, at least 7-10 non-commissioned officers of the afore-mentioned United States Air Force(including 2 1st Sergeants & 2 former Marines, of whom WAS a FIRST SGT!) one shrink, one life-coach, 1 embarrassed morally-outraged guidance counselor & one embarrassed & SIGNIFICANTLY outraged Mensa recruiter....& one pissed off college fraternity and a private liberal arts college in Atlanta, Ga that COULD NOT BELIEVE that I turned them down in order to attend college in Tidewater Virginia....:whistle:
And of course the numerously pleasurable run-ins with beer, wine, various spirits, cannabis, & adult service providers:)(but I'm not bragging)...
And did I mention that I'm also bi/pan-sexual(& finally comfortable with it)?:salad:fuckin:
"And still, I rise"--Maya Angelou
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Interesting discourse about simply being nice. Never thought to strive for good traits would be something considered bad. Life is not in a bubble and the world is bigger than the corner of our neighborhood. It is sadly true, what measure you give is the measure you will receive.
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You think you're winning a debate by shoving right past what people are saying and projecting you're own convoluted interpretations on to the other side's arguments. That's a pale fuckin' maneuver dude.
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Originally Posted by
lifeisfiction
Interesting discourse about simply being nice. Never thought to strive for good traits would be something considered bad. Life is not in a bubble and the world is bigger than the corner of our neighborhood. It is sadly true, what measure you give is the measure you will receive.
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Saw all the brackets, numbers and commas and didn't even bother to read what is obviously a headache written out in long form. You don't even know you're a punchline.
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goatman
You're off by about 23 years(come Sunday), one vacated "high-shine, no finish" commission sales stint in Retail Hell, one political grass-roots door-knocker gig for the Big Man @ 1600 Penn Ave, N.W., 1 decent LSAT score, several botched attempts at Graduate School(notably Johns Hopkins), one high[at the time] paying- under appreciated whipping boy teaching job, 4.2 years protecting Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, & North Texas from Al-Qaeda( by carrying an m16A2 rifle, an m9 pistol & polishing a gate shack with my ass) , 2 years as a "legally-licensed drug dealer" 5 years college(1 year private liberal arts, 4 years State), high school in the 80's(2.5 Catholic, 1.5 public), 1 "fair-to Middlen" SAT score, 1 HIGH ACT score, a mixed-portmanteau/hodgepodge primary education[read: "Montessori-Catholic-public], 2 Ataris, 1 Sega, 1 NES, 1 N64, 2 pawned-PlayStation2s, 1 pawned-xbox, 4 destroyed cars(all high performance), 1 under-appreciated & under-obedience trained Beagle, 1 German Shepherd puppy dead from dysentery, 1 half-sister whom I didn't meet until I was 20, 1 full-sister I still can't figure out, 4 failed engagements(the most recent one in Vegas), 1 possible "love child" in North Texas, 1 one-night stand(possibly resulting in afore-mention possible "love child" in North Texas), 13 ex-girlfriends(8 of whom were strippers-I mean "exotic dancers"), 3 girlfriends who were directly or indirectly separated from me(because of my race/ethnic origin), 2 beautifully aging Southern-born parents that I admittedly put through Hell when I was younger, numerous exasperated/frustrated/disappointed friends, extended family members, teachers, college professor(one of whom a noted & internationally recognized Shakespeare scholar)& clergy(of both the Roman Catholic AND the A.M.E. faith), 3 Company-Grade Officers of the United States Air Force, at least 7-10 non-commissioned officers of the afore-mentioned United States Air Force(including 2 1st Sergeants & 2 former Marines, of whom WAS a FIRST SGT!) one shrink, one life-coach, 1 embarrassed morally-outraged guidance counselor & one embarrassed & SIGNIFICANTLY outraged Mensa recruiter....& one pissed off college fraternity and a private liberal arts college in Atlanta, Ga that COULD NOT BELIEVE that I turned them down in order to attend college in Tidewater Virginia....:whistle:
And of course the numerously pleasurable run-ins with beer, wine, various spirits, cannabis, & adult service providers:)(but I'm not bragging)...
And did I mention that I'm also bi/pan-sexual(& finally comfortable with it)?:salad:fuckin:
"And still, I rise"--Maya Angelou
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Jamie French
You think you're winning a debate by shoving right past what people are saying and projecting you're own convoluted interpretations on to the other side's arguments. That's a pale fuckin' maneuver dude.
The comment wasn't about you, nor was my statement about you. Its an observation on the matter. I never found your point valid or the reason behind it to warrant me to continue. If I wanted to refer to you I would, when there is no more benefit to the matter, nor do I care enough to continue. It wasn't a debate it was different opinions. Debates people actually try to view another's view point, this is not the case. I can watch some political debate TV and get more satisfaction. The statement I made is an observation. If wanted to win debate I would. I just don't care enough to continue the discussion.
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Curiousguy04
Why do nice guys finish last? Or is it just me? I was taught to treat people the way i wanted to be treated. I treat women with respect and it seems im always getting looked over for a bad boy. And then later they break up with em because he wasnt what they thought he would be. So am i doing something wrong? I just dont know.
I believe the girls and some of the guys have this correct.
If you read the OPS actual statement, note the phrasing in bold. Does anyone honestly believe a person is always going to get overlooked because he is simply a nice guy?
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goatman
You're off by about 23 years(come Sunday), one vacated "high-shine, no finish" commission sales stint in Retail Hell, one political grass-roots door-knocker gig for the Big Man @ 1600 Penn Ave, N.W., 1 decent LSAT score, several botched attempts at Graduate School(notably Johns Hopkins), one high[at the time] paying- under appreciated whipping boy teaching job, 4.2 years protecting Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, & North Texas from Al-Qaeda( by carrying an m16A2 rifle, an m9 pistol & polishing a gate shack with my ass) , 2 years as a "legally-licensed drug dealer" 5 years college(1 year private liberal arts, 4 years State), high school in the 80's(2.5 Catholic, 1.5 public), 1 "fair-to Middlen" SAT score, 1 HIGH ACT score, a mixed-portmanteau/hodgepodge primary education[read: "Montessori-Catholic-public], 2 Ataris, 1 Sega, 1 NES, 1 N64, 2 pawned-PlayStation2s, 1 pawned-xbox, 4 destroyed cars(all high performance), 1 under-appreciated & under-obedience trained Beagle, 1 German Shepherd puppy dead from dysentery, 1 half-sister whom I didn't meet until I was 20, 1 full-sister I still can't figure out, 4 failed engagements(the most recent one in Vegas), 1 possible "love child" in North Texas, 1 one-night stand(possibly resulting in afore-mention possible "love child" in North Texas), 13 ex-girlfriends(8 of whom were strippers-I mean "exotic dancers"), 3 girlfriends who were directly or indirectly separated from me(because of my race/ethnic origin), 2 beautifully aging Southern-born parents that I admittedly put through Hell when I was younger, numerous exasperated/frustrated/disappointed friends, extended family members, teachers, college professor(one of whom a noted & internationally recognized Shakespeare scholar)& clergy(of both the Roman Catholic AND the A.M.E. faith), 3 Company-Grade Officers of the United States Air Force, at least 7-10 non-commissioned officers of the afore-mentioned United States Air Force(including 2 1st Sergeants & 2 former Marines, of whom WAS a FIRST SGT!) one shrink, one life-coach, 1 embarrassed morally-outraged guidance counselor & one embarrassed & SIGNIFICANTLY outraged Mensa recruiter....& one pissed off college fraternity and a private liberal arts college in Atlanta, Ga that COULD NOT BELIEVE that I turned them down in order to attend college in Tidewater Virginia....:whistle:
And of course the numerously pleasurable run-ins with beer, wine, various spirits, cannabis, & adult service providers:)(but I'm not bragging)...
And did I mention that I'm also bi/pan-sexual(& finally comfortable with it)?:salad:fuckin:
"And still, I rise"--Maya Angelou
I'm not saying this to be mean. I actually did read your post. This is one dreadful post, with 20 completely irrelevant pieces of information, three wholly unnecessary ellipses, expressed in one outrageously pretentious writing style.
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Originally Posted by
seanchai
If it was in communication studies, you should probably ask for a refund.
Nah, English....
I was TOO LAZY for Comm.:)
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broncofan
I'm not saying this to be mean. I actually did read your post. This is one dreadful post, with 20 completely irrelevant pieces of information, three wholly unnecessary ellipses, expressed in one outrageously pretentious writing style.
Yep.
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Obviously.
PROTIP: Self deprecation won't save you on these boards. This isn't 8Mile.
You suck plain and simple.
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goatman
Nah, English....
I was TOO LAZY for Comm.:)
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Jamie French
Obviously.
PROTIP: Self deprecation won't save you on these boards. This isn't 8Mile.
You suck plain and simple.
And how do you KNOW that I'm seeking SALVATION, Jamie?
I could just be standing on the accelerator to see how fast I can go before the inevitable crash.:)
I may "suck" but I don't let it define me or color my perception of the world.
I do the best I can to be the best "me" I can be, treat others fairly & justly, & not take myself too seriously!:)
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8 Mile. Hmm. Interesting you brought that up...
Real Hip-hop died with 'Pac & Biggie. 1996. :Bowdown:
The "Boy Wonder" from Detroit & those Clowns from New Orleans were but the first carrion-feeders to pick at the corpse.
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Changing the subject won't work either. I'm gonna bash you till you disappear from this thread.
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goatman
8 Mile. Hmm. Interesting you brought that up...
Real Hip-hop died with 'Pac & Biggie. 1996. :Bowdown:
The "Boy Wonder" from Detroit & those Clowns from New Orleans were but the first carrion-feeders to pick at the corpse.
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Jamie French
Changing the subject won't work either. I'm gonna bash you till you disappear from this thread.
Then, you're really not giving me much incentive to leave the thread.
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Originally Posted by
Curiousguy04
Why do nice guys finish last? Or is it just me? I was taught to treat people the way i wanted to be treated. I treat women with respect and it seems im always getting looked over for a bad boy. And then later they break up with em because he wasnt what they thought he would be. So am i doing something wrong? I just dont know.
You can only be yourself.
And, too, the notion of so-called masculinity is a social construct. Not a scientific one. And, of course, it's influenced by the culture. I mean, we learn what it means to be masculine. We all watch Sly Stallone movies, Arnie Schwarzenegger movies. So the culture teaches us what it means to be a so-called man. (Imagine if males were taught that to be masculine means to be: moral, kind and caring.)
Instead we're taught that we have to be aggressive, violent, in control. That's the social construct of masculinity.
Anyway, also... there are plenty of women &/or transgender women that gravitate to men who are kind and sensitive. I mean, in terms of long-term relationships, well, things change. The so-called bad boy isn't overly attractive.
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A thread about being nice turns into an argument...Welcome to HA! :dead-1:
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It wasn't changing the subject, Jamie, it was weaving an example into the larger tapestry.
Style. What is style? Describe style. Who's to say what's stylistically correct?
The critics? They make their living off bashing other people's work, dashing their dreams. For they have none of their own. Think about it, if a wise man offers you a great truth of life that enriches you and enlightens, does it matter if he's dressed in a Brooks Brothers suit or homespun rags? The critics will pick him to death, regardless. And the message will be lost on them because they cannot see beyond.
The imitators? Aka the "copycats"? Well, they're simply proof that the original was right on the mark. All they did was chew up the work and regurgitate it for mass consumption(and mass profits.) If I took you out to a fancy restaurant, ordered a $20 steak, chewed it up for you and regurgitated it in your mouth, would it still taste as good?
Don't even get me started on the producer-mogul type profiteers. All they care about is profits. Aesthetics, beauty, truth, and "art for art's sake" be damned, it's all lost on them. Making sells, moving units, & profit margins make their eyes gleam. "Sell more shit, make more money, pay less taxes, damn the consequences!" Sound familiar. Trust me, I've been around a lot of slick salesman in my day; once upon a time, I was WELL on the path to become one! If there's a market for dogshit--and there probably is, somewhere--, they're selling it to any and all buyers and convincing them it smells like roses. When I trained people, I used to tell 'em " A good salesman can sell charcoal to the sinners in Hell; a GREAT ONE will convince 'em it's ice cubes!"
No, it's the innovators, the iconoclasts, the rebels who throw the rule book out and say "FUCK CONVENTION! This IS WHAT I SEE, FEEL, and EXPERIENCE in this moment and this is the means by which I CHOOSE to express it, fuck if you follow me!" It'll scare more than a few off( most people like conformity after all). But maybe the point will get across to one or two; and they tell one or two, and so on... Or not. At least the artist/speaker/author got their point across, rather than let the moment pass in frustration. From void and or nothing they bring forth something.
(How this relates to Real Hip-hop--no quotes"", it was REAL!)
When the movement began almost four decades ago, it wasn't big-league record companies or Top 40 radio stations that created it. It was people who had "nothing" comparatively speaking, who created "SOMETHING" from that nothing. And that something was as BEAUTIFUL as the nothing from whence it came was STARK, UGLY, CHAOS, & VOID. It was AMERICAN HISTORY--unplugged, unfiltered, and un-condensed--repeating itself. As it was in the BELLY of the SHIPS. As it was in the FIELDS. As it was in the CHURCH PEWS, the JUKE JOINTS, & the JAZZ CLUBS. As it was at the CROSSROADS & the BUS STATIONS & THE LUNCH COUNTERS. So it was in the South Bronx, Queens, Philly, Chi-town and South Central. It was people telling the world "Yes, we EXIST! NO, we will not GO QUIETLY. This is OUR SURROUNDINGS & OUR CIRCUMSTANCES. We don't have Dan Rather or Walter Cronkite, but THIS IS THE NEWS!" They told what was happening and what was happening behind the happenings(aka, the "Ulterior motives", the glad-handing, the back-room deals & the maneuvering behind the scenes.) They TOLD THE TRUTH TO POWER, which is what any good artist/rebel does; they threw down the gauntlet to those in charge. And their audience LOVED them for it! Because it was for them--to hell with the outsiders! The were continuing the winds of protest from a generation before.
But to quote one of my favorite movies: "Successful can be as formidable as the strongest adversary."(Conan the Barbarian) They got TOO successful and attracted the same bottom-feeders that did in Jazz, Rock, & the Blues. The POWERFUL could not believe that these NOBODIES with their bootleg tapes & basement record labels could accomplish so much! HOW DARE THEY! WHO WERE THEY? And most importantly, how could they make some money where money mattered? Where some saw CONTROVERSY, the moguls saw COMMERCIAL UNITS MOVED. Where others saw resistance, they saw DOLLAR SIGNS. Where others saw THE STRUGGLE & THE PROJECTS, the moguls saw burgeoning markets in the SUBURBS. They had more money and access than some people had seen in their entire lives. And they used it: pre-sales, dollars, movies, drugs, cars, women, sex. They appeased appetites & fluffed egos. They had a proven track record that NO performer could resist. And so, the marketeers & their cronies, flunkies, & stooges moved in....
and a movement was lost.
Now--if you're still with me-- how does this tie in with the theme of "Do Nice Guys Finish Last?"
If you let someone else define you, be it television, Hollywood movie, commercial, advertisements, marketeers, the internet, facebook, twitter, "the cool kids" from 10th grade(who usually haven't matured beyond 10th grade--20 years later), the World, the Flesh, the Devil & Uncle Charles tell you you have to be like somebody else or follow somebody else's "rules to success" or buy brand X or be-in-a-relationship-&-fuck-the living out of boy/girl that looks like[fill in the blank] in order to validate yourself/ your sense of self...they've already won. If you're nice and can hold your ground being nice & staying true to yourself, you've already won. Fuck if "Hot-Girl" always goes with "Bad-Boy" & you're left holding the roses; PLANT A ROSE GARDEN. Don't fixate yourself on what "Bad-Boy", "Jock-Boy", "Alpha-Male/Female Movie Star" & Mr. & Mrs. Jones have that you don't... Odds are they're just as miserable as you THINK you are, and in twice as much trouble and twice as much debt. Love & Sex should not be a "zero-sum, winner take all" game; I don't care how many commercials or salespeople hawk how much shit to prey on peoples' fears of "I'm a loser! I'm gonna end up lonely!" (And I KNOW whose Garden my feet are planted in while I'm spouting this shit.)
Be you. Innovate. Know Yourself. That's the FIRST RULE.
You are NOT your JOB.
You are NOT your HOME.
You are NOT your SALARY, FICA, or CREDIT SCORE.
You are NOT your CREDIT LIMIT.
You are NOT what you can BUY.
You are NOT the HIGH-END DESIGNER LABELS you WEAR.
You are NOT what you DRIVE.
You are NOT who you HANG WITH.
You are NOT who you are SEEN WITH or WHERE you're seen with them.
You're NOT what TRENDS on TWITTER.
You're NOT WHO YOU KNOW ON FACEBOOK.
You're NOT WHO YOU FUCK..., and you SHOULDN'T TRY TO USE ANY OF THE ABOVE IN ORDER TO FUCK so you can feel BETTER about yourself.
you're YOU. BE YOU.
my opinion.
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Jericho
A thread about being nice turns into an argument...Welcome to HA! :dead-1:
STRANGE FRUIT indeed, my friend...
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runningdownthatdream
Not trying to be hurtful but I think you need to boost your self-esteem. It isn't about 'them' at all and everything to do with you. Respect yourself and demand respect from others and you'll notice how you'll be treated differently by women AND men.
Agree. I've fought this fight off and on for years. For some reason I find it hard to respect myself. Probably due to bouts of low self esteem. Also hard to take praise from people too. My self esteem has yo yoed as my weight has over the years. But I keep trying to raise myself up and dust off and keep trying to learn to respect myself more so I can get it in return from both women and men. Thanks
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@ goatman: Not even reading your posts. I have the last word.
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Jamie French
@ goatman: Not even reading your posts. I have the last word.
And THIS BENEFITS YOU, how exactly?:confused::confused:
Fine, lemme see if I can find a trophy...:Bowdown:
Oh, WAIT.:whistle::)
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@ goatman: Not even reading your posts. I have the last word.
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And THIS BENEFITS YOU, how exactly?:confused::confused:
Fine, lemme see if I can find a trophy...:Bowdown:
Oh, WAIT.:whistle::)
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No one thinks that being nice is a poor trait, but if it's your only trait and you take the time to complain about it then you're a shitty under-developed person with no real self awareness or genuine empathy.
:iagree::iagree::iagree: Totally nailed it, Jamie. A nice guy with a decent serving of assertiveness usually does ok. It's served me pretty well over the years anyway, he said smugly. :whistle:
And diehard one-track "bad boys" all too often end up abusing their partners because it's the only way they know.
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... There are only like 20 or so different personality types...
Since we've settled the main issue of this thread, I feel free to take up a side issue: the number of distinct personality types. My friends in Astrology tell me that traditionally there are 16 celestial bodies that influence and determine an individual's personality. These influences are shaped by the Zodiacal sector that houses the body at birth. Since there are 12 houses, there are 12 to the 16th power personality types; i.e. over 180 quadrillion basic personalities. Given there are only about 7 billion people on the planet, it's very likely each of us has a unique personality. Unfortunately, astrology is entirely hokum.
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Great vids. What I was getting at is the number of factors that enter into characterizing a personality. Astrology has a paucity of factors and none of them are relevant. But here on Earth it seems to me there have got to be more than 16 factors that influence personality, even if they're terrestrial factors rather than celestial (e.g. economic class, educational opportunity, parental expectations, etc. ) and surely each of these factors can be present in varying degrees or levels (e.g. levels of family income can be used to describe economic class). Suppose we can divide each factor into 12 degrees of presence or levels of intensity. Than there are again 12 to the 16 many possible personality types. Once again over 1.8 quadrillion. More than enough for us all to be distinctly unique.
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One person could have a unique personality but most of the traits within that person are shared throughout millions.
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Yes nice guys finished last, even Green Day wrote a song about it. It's true most girls want a bad ass over a nice guy. They only want a nice guy to walk all over, like a bad rug at ikea.
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Very true. Let's say we really only need to keep track of say 20 traits. A given person may not have the trait at all, or have it to a low degree, a medium degree or to a high degree. Then there are 4 to the 20 th power possible personality types based on our coarse graining (hi, medium, low or none). That would be over a trillion possible personalities. Still enough to make it likely that we fall into unique categories.
