Men who are attracted to transgendered women- Straight, bi, gay?

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Originally Posted by tsmirandameadows

Doesn't matter one way or the other, but my take is that if you like transwomen, you're straight, but there is an asterisk. The fact that two cocks are involved changes the orientation calculus ever so slightly, even if one cock belongs to someone who is otherwise entirely female. You wouldn't be attracted to us if we weren't feminine, but on the other hand a lot of guys who like transwomen tend to lose interest once we get SRS. If we need both to be feminine and to have a cock to be attractive, then you're straight, but with an asterisk. :)

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I like ts girls both with and without the cock. Femininity is paramount. And I'm whatever the opposite of a size queen is. But this is a great reply, Miranda.

I tended to agree with Miranda's analysis as well, mainly for the reasons she stated.

But I think one answer is that you are whatever you consider most pejorative;. If you think there is definitely something wrong with being gay, then you can't outrun it.

If I had to choose one of the 3 choices, I'd say that I was straight but really I'm neither of the 3.

Whilst we often have some things in common about who we find sexually attractive we all have different preferences and it's far more complex than a one size fits all label.

I'm just happy to be me :)

Lilly,
By "TG provider" I mean a male to female transgender provider of sexual services for money (prostitute).

I agree with everything you wrote.

My point is that it seems there is disagreement among the TG community.

Of course there are a handful of female to male transgender escorts as well. They never ever get discussed here.

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Originally Posted by Prospero

Of course there are a handful of female to male transgender escorts as well. They never ever get discussed here.

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yes. but there are many discussions here about men who crossdress (i.e. crossdressers)

Totally 100 per cent different bluesoul... I am talking about girls who are on the path to transitioning to men. Transsexual women to men. Some escort as male escorts with a feminine sexuality under their three pieces suits or jeans.

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Originally Posted by Prospero

Totally 100 per cent different bluesoul... I am talking about girls who are on the path to transitioning to men. Transsexual women to men. Some escort as male escorts with a feminine sexuality under their three pieces suits or jeans.

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ah. sorry. thought you were just pointing out topics of discussion that are popular/unpopular

No I as adding a thought to the discussion. How would men who choose to visit a girl who presents as a man, but who has "a pussy" consider their sexuality?

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

And I'm whatever the opposite of a size queen is.

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Stack-Of-Buttons King? :shrug

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Originally Posted by Prospero

No I as adding a thought to the discussion. How would men who choose to visit a girl who presents as a man, but who has "a pussy" consider their sexuality?

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hey. that's a great question. believe it or not, i had a discussion with buck angel (transsexual man) and allanah starr (transsexual woman) for a british magazine years ago asking this very question to a bunch of sailors. it was part of a questionnaire.

basically- the results were as follows. if a woman wanted to sleep with a transsexual man (f2m) then it was because he wanted to fuck her vagina. he had no interest in being a bottom or getting fisted or whatever. it actually turned out that both parties wanted "straight" missionary sex.

men that were interested in transsexual women (m2f) were more interested in her penis and thus: more willing to bottom (be fucked) or suck her penis etc. these are generally not hetrosexual activities.

now- this does not men all the men who wanted to be with transsexual women were interested in bottoming, it's just the majority who choose a f2m transsexual, said they only did so because they preferred a vagina over a penis.

btw: if anyone is interested. the magazine was titled bizarre

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

I like ts girls both with and without the cock. Femininity is paramount. And I'm whatever the opposite of a size queen is. But this is a great reply, Miranda.

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What a great reply. It can be very upsetting for us, transwomen, when a guy states that our value is in our male genitalia only. We need more guys like you, RobertLouis! x

btw: to all the people who answered "who cares?" obviously a lot of people do otherwise this question wouldn't come up all the time. rather than brushing it aside, why not give a definitive answer so it's not so oblique?

i mean, the answer "you're straight with an asterix" sounds like the sort of answer you'd give on the jerry springer show. where you start off saying "am straight" then "BUT...."

I made a "date" to see a TS escort a few years ago, she advertised she was a TS, when I showed up I found out she was a post-op TS. It made no difference to me, I went to see the beautiful woman in the ad and that is who opened the door. I didn't make a date with a penis, I made it with a woman. Call me whatever you want, all I know is I had fun.

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Originally Posted by bigkid69

I made a "date" to see a TS escort a few years ago, she advertised she was a TS, when I showed up I found out she was a post-op TS. It made no difference to me, I went to see the beautiful woman in the ad and that is who opened the door. I didn't make a date with a penis, I made it with a woman. Call me whatever you want, all I know is I had fun.

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I'm curious how her ad was presented?? Did you misread it or are you always so accommodating when you've been victimized by the ol' bait-and-switch??


BTW the reason people on this board keep saying it doesn't matter how you classify yourself because of your attraction to TS women is because most heteros not familiar with TS are going to label you a faggot from jump anyway.

You aren't going to be able to 'explain' to them your sexuality or the psychology of most TS and their gender identification.

It should be enough to know you are far from the only man out here into TS and take comfort from that.

Familiar question. Dan Savage has answered it several times in his sex/relationship advice column. It's a bad question to begin with just on the basis of language inadequacies. It assumes that people's sexuality can be adequately described and classified by just 3 single syllable words, each with its own attendant societal attitudes. Many good responses here, I like Miranda Meadows' wisdom as always. Straight with an asterisk. Certainly gays have no interest in M2F TS. They want M's who present as M's.
The only attempt at a descriptive phrase out there is "tranny chaser" which has never seemed quite right. Not so much the "tranny" part of the phrase which seems to be losing much of its derogatory sting over time as people slowly embrace and own it. But the "chaser" part of the phrase never quite made sense to me.

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Originally Posted by bluesoul

btw: to all the people who answered "who cares?" obviously a lot of people do otherwise this question wouldn't come up all the time. rather than brushing it aside, why not give a definitive answer so it's not so oblique?

i mean, the answer "you're straight with an asterix" sounds like the sort of answer you'd give on the jerry springer show. where you start off saying "am straight" then "BUT...."

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Probably because there really is no definitive answer.

I think the reason the asterisk works is because categorical answers lose most of their descriptive ability when you try to fit many characteristics into a small number of categories. Sex and sexual orientation are co-dependent categories. If individuals can have physical and psychological features that transcend simple binary description then naturally those who are attracted to them are not going to be susceptible to description with binary categories for sexual orientation.

Biological sex itself consists of many components from genetic to phenotypic, and from genitalia to secondary sex characteristics. If someone is attracted to the female form but likes male genitalia then they are certainly not attracted to male secondary sex characteristics such as body hair, facial hair, and heavy musculature.

If, as in the example Prospero gave, someone is attracted to a female to male transsexual then they do like male secondary sex characteristics but are still attracted to female genitalia. Perhaps behavioral factors partly determine their interest.

Besides, one reason these discussions are irritating is because most of the talk involves a great deal of self-serving homophobia. The agenda for many is to label their own sexual activities as heterosexual and then demand that other people accept a categorization that does not capture the complexity of human sexuality.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

Besides, one reason these discussions are irritating is because most of the talk involves a great deal of self-serving homophobia. The agenda for many is to label their own sexual activities as heterosexual and then demand that other people accept a categorization that does not capture the complexity of human sexuality.

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Very well put.

You're bi but just very picky about males. You know you'd fuck a hot little crossdressing trap. I know I would.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

I'm curious how her ad was presented?? Did you misread it or are you always so accommodating when you've been victimized by the ol' bait-and-switch??.

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Her ad never mentioned her operation, however she did let me know before the action so I could back out if I wished. I was there and she was hot so I didn't care. Something I could cross off my list as well.

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Originally Posted by bigkid69

Her ad never mentioned her operation, however she did let me know before the action so I could back out if I wished. I was there and she was hot so I didn't care. Something I could cross off my list as well.

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It would be tricky to talk about that prior to the actual meeting. Certainly when screening clients, I don't say a word about my genitalia and redirect any questions about it, because to do otherwise would be quite incriminating -- why would someone who just wants a date or some company need to know how big your cock is and if you can cum on their face? I suppose stating that you're post-op in the ad would be innocent enough, but I still avoid anything about my genitals and don't say a word which could be perceived as sexual or innuendo in my ad copy.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

I think the reason the asterisk works is because categorical answers lose most of their descriptive ability when you try to fit many characteristics into a small number of categories. Sex and sexual orientation are co-dependent categories. If individuals can have physical and psychological features that transcend simple binary description then naturally those who are attracted to them are not going to be susceptible to description with binary categories for sexual orientation.

Biological sex itself consists of many components from genetic to phenotypic, and from genitalia to secondary sex characteristics. If someone is attracted to the female form but likes male genitalia then they are certainly not attracted to male secondary sex characteristics such as body hair, facial hair, and heavy musculature.

If, as in the example Prospero gave, someone is attracted to a female to male transsexual then they do like male secondary sex characteristics but are still attracted to female genitalia. Perhaps behavioral factors partly determine their interest.

Besides, one reason these discussions are irritating is because most of the talk involves a great deal of self-serving homophobia. The agenda for many is to label their own sexual activities as heterosexual and then demand that other people accept a categorization that does not capture the complexity of human sexuality.

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This is an excellent post: well written and hits the nail squarely on the head. I don't have anything to add, but I felt that hitting the like button was insufficient. :)

I'm just a guy who loves pussy & TS girls. I've never looked at a guy & had any attraction whatsoever. But when I see a hot chick or TS girl I get turned on. Never been topped, the idea doesn't turn me on at all. Every single TS girl I've ever been with is very attractive but happens to have a dick. I love my dick & I love sharing it with females & TS girls but I also love eating pussy sucking a TS girl's cock & tossing salad. Others can call that whatever they want, I just know what I like & like what I know.

I just like pretty, I cant explain so I try to never categorize myself, being versatile and much prefer to bottom,if I had to I would definitely call myself bi.

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Originally Posted by tsmirandameadows

It would be tricky to talk about that prior to the actual meeting. Certainly when screening clients, I don't say a word about my genitalia and redirect any questions about it, because to do otherwise would be quite incriminating -- why would someone who just wants a date or some company need to know how big your cock is and if you can cum on their face? I suppose stating that you're post-op in the ad would be innocent enough, but I still avoid anything about my genitals and don't say a word which could be perceived as sexual or innuendo in my ad copy.

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My first encounter with a ts was with a post-op. It wasn't with an escort, but with a colleague when I was working in the far east - we were working on an acquisition with me representing the buyer and her working for a big 4 accountancy firm as advisor.

I didn't know until she told me, and she was afraid of my reaction, but I was with a beautiful woman that I liked a lot, so it didn't matter to me at all. But I guess the fundamental difference is that I was expecting her to have female genitalia; she did and the sex was wonderful.

It is hard for some men to raise their gaze beyond the genitalia of any sexual partner. But appreciation of the whole person is surely the key.

Most certainly they are all, as the rednecks in Family Guy put it, 'queerosexuals.' :lol:

~BB~

like ke$ha said "we are who we are":yayo:

at this point i dont know anymore,
u got dude who get fucked or dream off being fucked by sasha strokes,mariana cordoba,viviany aguilera or all off theses big cock TS but sill doesnt want & are not attracted by "Men" so what's that mean ? they're in denial ?...its like being dominated by them are more exciting then a women with a strap-on, well that's not my case ,but in paris a girl like natalie Jolie told me she's fuck alot of "straight dude" on the regular, married dude....i dont know how to call that


anyway first off all , we need to determinate what type off gender a Ts IS? Personally i see them ,like a Women in a Wrong Body,not as a Man who had Sugeries & all that, so im good...in some pornsites u see them in gay section,i think its wrong:yayo:

excuse my english:yayo:

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Originally Posted by cockluver

You're bi but just very picky about males. You know you'd fuck a hot little crossdressing trap. I know I would.

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Well, if you perceive a crossdresser to be a man, and your interest in a crossdresser is because of you love for cock- as your lovely username quite rightly suggests, then you are definitely bi to say the least (that's if you still like women). That is by following your own reasoning.

Many guys on here like robertlouis look at ts girls as women, and they like them regardless of whether they have a penis or a vagina. They are attracted by femininity in all its forms. That is a different kettle of fish, Mr. cocklover!

I am bi. - but TV's turn me on

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Originally Posted by Prospero

But appreciation of the whole person is surely the key.

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The key to what?
If it's a brief encounter, who gives a shit?
I don't want a conversation, just blow me, then bend over! :shrug

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Originally Posted by Jericho

The key to what?
If it's a brief encounter, who gives a shit?
I don't want a conversation, just blow me, then bend over! :shrug

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How gratifying :dancing: !

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Originally Posted by tsmirandameadows

It would be tricky to talk about that prior to the actual meeting. Certainly when screening clients, I don't say a word about my genitalia and redirect any questions about it, because to do otherwise would be quite incriminating -- why would someone who just wants a date or some company need to know how big your cock is and if you can cum on their face? I suppose stating that you're post-op in the ad would be innocent enough, but I still avoid anything about my genitals and don't say a word which could be perceived as sexual or innuendo in my ad copy.

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Agreed, she told me she was post-op but she probably should state that in her ad or somehow in the phone call because I could see some people being upset.

Straight, bi, or gay?

All of the above!

Its a tricky one, they obviously lust for the image of a women but want that extra bit so i would say bi-/bi-curious. I, a man, would never dream of screwing another man as is but gimme a femme boy(love em) and well its different but not a whole lot, now a ts makes the issue even more confusing as they more often than not identify as a woman but the man is still looking for that extra bit so even if he never screws a biological woman in his life i would still have to class him as bi/bi-curious

I also have been with TS and GGs. I consider myself as 100% STRAIGHT :lol:

Every time a thread like this pops up... smh...

Why am I attracted to Transsexuals and Am I gay? - YouTube

My opinion

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Originally Posted by FemboisDaddy

I also have been with TS and GGs. I consider myself as 100% STRAIGHT :lol:

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