John Hurt as The Doctor!!! :D

Agreed, that is my speculation too. that Hurt is the true 9th...the "fallen"...moreover, I take that speculation over the Valeyard, because the Doctor specifically identified him to have done something horrible ( i.e. Time Lock among being a hardened warrior ). That's why he reconciled and re-birthed the name The Doctor to "fix"/"mend" his previous "mistakes". Eccleston and on, decided this, so that he could try to balance his nature to become a better person, because he knows he is better than "that" ( meaning the fallen )

This could also explain the haunted nature of Ecclestone and Tennant's Doctors: they were haunted not just by the horrors of war and sacrificing the Time Lords to defeat the Daleks but by the guilt and shame of what they had to do as Hurt...the end of the finale hints that the post-Hurt Doctors understand what he did ("I had no choice, what I did I did for peace and sanity", "I know...but not in the name of the Doctor") but can't accept it. Perhaps reconciliation may bring Hurt in as an official Doctor (as Smith is now the twelfth incarnation but still the eleventh doctor as Hurt became something else...)

Eh, but Nine and Ten already admitted to eliminating the daleks and sealing away the Time Lords, and all the ptsd that came after. I don't see now how an 8.5 adds anything new. I'm just personally over the Time War and want it to be something different. It's not much of a 50th anniversary celebration if it's only focused on 8.5-Eleven.

then don't watch it hahaha....but a finely wrote story of the Time War in TV form should be promising. As of yet, we don't see much of Gallifrey and the Time War and Davros/Skaro/Dalek origin...so i believe they can make it into a great story with great epic battle scenes from the Time War, seeing the Eye of Harmony, the Death Lands, Rassilon gain power, the Dark Times, Fall of Arcadia, the Skaro Degradations, the Horde of Travesties, the Nightmare Child, the Could-Have-Been King with his army of Meanwhiles and Never-Weres" constituting particularly disturbing developments. :D

Music is too cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SufMXNzhBRY

Ohhh...the 80's hahaha

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Ohhh...the 80's hahaha

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Eva, all themes from the 80s were, well, cool.... Knight Rider, Dr. Who... Dukes of Hazzard...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6fSEf6tnG4

Doctor Who - Full Length 1987-89 Theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3AdLkc-s_4

And them Daisy Dukes... Catherine Bach and Jessica Simpson... yee-haw -- ha, ha! :)

I just don't think see what happened during the Time War would live up to how it's been mentioned so far. It seems way too "big." I'm highly doubtful they would put that together as a whole, but could show some flashbacks here and there. I like the idea of Zero better. I just think it's a little short sighted to have the 50th anniversary and focus only on this era of Who. Though it would be nice to see Eight again.

true, just being reminiscent...but i don't like Jessica Simpson nor her version of Daisy, or any role she plays in...she is poop in my book :D

ok but.......the whole Doctor Zero thing is anonymous.There is really nothing we can do to make a story except make something up really.

I know, that was my point. Why not make something up completely new that possibly enriches the entire 11 incarnations? Constantly going back to the time war eventually will run up against diminishing returns.

Either way, I'm glad they cast a good actor for whatever they do.

yeah but they can easily do that after this 50th...there are so many things that can make new stories about the Doctor and that universe. which can make for more episodes, series, and doctor regens.

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BBC audio series with Richard E Grant then that makes 14 doctors.

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Wow, that guy has played both the Doctor and an archnemesis of the Doctor.

Great series.

I took the liberty of revising the pic you posted hahaha :p

John Hurt as the Doctor (whether 0, 8, 8.5, or 12) has huge potential, no doubt. While I'm rather fascinated by the concept of a Zeroeth Doctor (not least of which is the never really explained relationship of "grandfather" and "granddaughter" in Hartnell's era), I'm more inclined to Doctor 8. Why not 8.5? Because I ardently refuse to accept the butchered presentation of the Doctor in the sole McGann TV movie (no fault of McGann's, only of a poorly conceived and non-canon storyline--the Doctor is not half-human as that movie claimed, for one), and that aside, simply because the 8th Doctor was only seen once, and never seen to regenerate. That opens huge swirling vortices of timey-whimey stuff to unravel, which of course includes the Time War.

Filling out the character of Eight with Hurt in the role would clarify so much! It needs to be carefully written (Neil Gaiman rather that Steve Moffat), but it could be amazing. Consider the circumstances from a marketing perspective: Doctor Who ran uninterrupted from 1963 to 1989 and was cancelled. There was little hope of a revival, and the ill-conceived McGann movie seemed to further doom DW than revitalize it. But in 2005, with Eccleston's Doctor for one season, it came back. That's a gap of 16 years since McCoy's Doctor departed, and sensibly enough the BBC and Moffat have focused on the latter day Doctors, only briefly referencing the first seven if at all. But this past season (which has been uneven at best, and while she's likeable enough, Jenna-Louise Coleman falls well short of Karen Gillan) with the 50th anniversary coming up, there have been more references to the earlier Doctors. So it's time to really bring everything around.

Side note: my favorite current Doctor Who gripe: dude should be about twice as old as he claims. Baker's Doctor was over 750, so do the math, Smith's Doctor should be upwards of 2000 or more.

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true, just being reminiscent...but i don't like Jessica Simpson nor her version of Daisy, or any role she plays in...she is poop in my book :D

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Ha ha! :) Jessica is a poop -- ha ha ha! She, obviously, isn't a great actress. It was and is more her looks.
But attraction, physical attraction, is subjective.

attraction is subjective, you are right...but just because some one is mega pretty...knowing that they have smarts and initiative and humor ( all around great personality ) make a person have more...and I mean A LOT more appeal.

Beauty is only skin deep, being stupid is thick! LMAO ;)

John Hurt as the Doctor 8.5

Oh my god I am already anxiously awaiting November 23rd and the episode aired yesterday. From what I have read, John Hurt is either a Future doctor, or the true 9th Doctor, the one responsible for the genocide of the Time Lords. What he says "what I did I did for peace and sanity," would seem to lend itself to that. What I've also heard that really has me exicted is that Matt Smith will be teaming up with David Tennant and Rose Tyler to stop John Hurt. Whatever happens, I just want it to happen already. Maybe I'll try and make a TARDIS so I can go to the future and watch it. Also, what the hell did River mean when she said "Spoilers?" So many fucking questions.

all i can say to that is...... Thanks Moffett, for putting my brain through a meat grinder again! LMAO

Some have pointed out that Hurt appears to be wearing an Eccleston style leather jacket during the filming for the 50th, so it would be reasonable to assume he occurs just before the 9th Dr.

Is the assumption that when the series returns John Hurt will be the new doctor? The narrative of the series has been so utterly incomprehensible for quite some time now that anything is possible.

Personally I'd like to see Bert or Ernie from Sesame Street as the new doctor.

Ecstatic, while I personally would have no prob with Hurt being an older McGann, McGann's Doctor has been glimpsed numerous times in the new Who episodes and Clara said he saw all the Doctors except Hurt (hmm, future incarnations?) so I doubt Hurt will be McGann as Clara would have seen him age at various points along the Doctor's timeline.

Howevere, there have been rumours of a sequence featuring McGann regenerating into Hurt but this could be false...or turning up in November. I'd personally like to see McGann back for at least one episode just to make him more than a once-off Doctor. Incidentally, regarding Hurt wearing Ecclestone's jacket: McGann does audio Who books and now sports a look very close to Ecclestone's, uncluding that kleather jacket...

How about a female doctor... or dare i say it a transsexual. it's about time....

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How about a female doctor... or dare i say it a transsexual. it's about time....

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There was rumor at one time about Joanna Lumley being the Doctor. She's a female that could pass for a transsexual.

If you are a Whovian, as well as a Rowan Atkinson fan, Hugh Grant fan and/or a fan of Jonathan Pryce and Joanna Lumley. Then you'll love this! Forgive the length but well worth watching! ;) I wouldn't steer you wrong ;)

Rowan Atkinson is Doctor Who - Classic Comic Relief - YouTube

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Ecstatic, while I personally would have no prob with Hurt being an older McGann, McGann's Doctor has been glimpsed numerous times in the new Who episodes and Clara said he saw all the Doctors except Hurt (hmm, future incarnations?) so I doubt Hurt will be McGann as Clara would have seen him age at various points along the Doctor's timeline.

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The Doctor is (according to the current storyline, which I dispute) around 1200 years old. Given such a vast lifetime (and which in fact is probably at least 1000 short of the mark), there is no way Clara could've seen him at all points along his timeline (to do so would take about 1200 years--think about it). So it is entirely possible that, while she glimpsed the Doctor during each prior incarnation, she completely missed huge spans of his life.

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Howevere, there have been rumours of a sequence featuring McGann regenerating into Hurt but this could be false...or turning up in November. I'd personally like to see McGann back for at least one episode just to make him more than a once-off Doctor. Incidentally, regarding Hurt wearing Ecclestone's jacket: McGann does audio Who books and now sports a look very close to Ecclestone's, uncluding that kleather jacket...

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Yes, something needs to be done to make McGann more than a once-off Doctor, and this is the perfect setup, leading into the Eccleston and Tennant eras (and along the way helping to explain Nine's shorter time as the Doctor, though in reality that was simply because Eccleston didn't want to pursue the role). The Time War is far and away the biggest gap in Time Lord lore, and Eight by far the most minimal and least canonical of the Doctors. Otherwise, McGann's Doctor should be no more canonical than Peter Cushing's (excepting the regeneration scene with Sylvester McCoy).

I'd be very happy to see more of Eight.

I don't think the time war is the biggest gap since we don't know how long the Doctor lived prior to taking the tardis and leaving in the first place.

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I'd be very happy to see more of Eight.

I don't think the time war is the biggest gap since we don't know how long the Doctor lived prior to taking the tardis and leaving in the first place.

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Allow me to amend that to "the biggest gap in the established chronicles." And by biggest, I mean most significant. There are many others, from what became of Romana to what transpired on the planet of the Seveteem before he met Leela, with the mountain shaped in his image (The Face of Evil) and the computer program based on his intelligence. And many, many more. But the Time War stands out, especially in the new era.

As for his early years, while virtually nothing is known for certain (was Susan Foreman actually his granddaughter? Then what of his wife/partner and his own child(ren)?), Romana once noted, when the Doctor was 759 years old, he had been travelling in the TARDIS for 523 years, which would have made him 236 when he stole the TARDISand left Gallifrey.

Fair enough.

I'm just personally over the time war. Also, it was a RTD invention, not Moffat, so I'm speculating he may be up to something different. I think it would be a shame if they do revisit it and not show Eight at all.

I would love to SEE the Time War because all we've ever done is hear about it. What happened to Romana? Susan?

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If you are a Whovian, as well as a Rowan Atkinson fan, Hugh Grant fan and/or a fan of Jonathan Pryce and Joanna Lumley. Then you'll love this! Forgive the length but well worth watching! ;) I wouldn't steer you wrong ;)

Rowan Atkinson is Doctor Who - Classic Comic Relief - YouTube

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Eva, I finally found the time (had to travel back in time 20 minutes to do it) and watched this clip. Absolutely brilliant! In terms of Whovian ephemera, I put this up with the classic Peter Davidson Doctor meets David Tennant Doctor.

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Eva, I finally found the time (had to travel back in time 20 minutes to do it) and watched this clip. Absolutely brilliant! In terms of Whovian ephemera, I put this up with the classic Peter Davidson Doctor meets David Tennant Doctor.

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HAHAHA nice! I love it. "They're Dalek bumps! Not Breasts!" LMAO

The regeneration to a female Doctor (which took much longer, interestingly) was the Transwhovian event I've been waiting for! LOL

HAHAHA it was , err very interesting to see, not to mention fun and funny :)

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Originally Posted by EvaCassini

If you are a Whovian, as well as a Rowan Atkinson fan, Hugh Grant fan and/or a fan of Jonathan Pryce and Joanna Lumley. Then you'll love this! Forgive the length but well worth watching! ;) I wouldn't steer you wrong ;)

Rowan Atkinson is Doctor Who - Classic Comic Relief - YouTube

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"My revenge will be all the sweeter. It will be a deadly vengeance! It will be the deadly vengeance of deadly revenge!" LOL