Male student gang raped by muslim youth

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Originally Posted by trish

If rape were a purely violent act it wouldn't involve penises, beer bottles or baseball bats used as dildoes. Rape is a violent act born of sexual frustration and antiquated gender codes of ownership.
Muslim on non-Muslim violence has little to do with it. Christian on little boy violence has little to do with it. Frustration and male dominance has much more relevance. Soldiers rape for sexual release and to usurp the ownership of the raped women. If it was just about ownership it would be more efficient to simply put the women in irons and sell them. If it was just about violence, it'd be easier to just beat them. Rape has an essential and undeniable sexual ( and probably reproductive...except in cases where it misfires and a seal tries to have sex with an penguin )component.

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It isnt about frustration.but it is about male dominance. We see this in Europe because men.have tiers of dominance. This.has been repressed.in Western civilization in the last 80 years and also.in Christian and now progressive secular appeals to be humane. That has not happpened in Muslim civilization yet and Muslim immmigrants.carry that with them to Europe. If the Left doesn't force Muslims to confront it then things willl get worse not.better.

Like I said, if it were only about dominance there'd be no need to involves penises.

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Originally Posted by trish

Like I said, if it were only about dominance there'd be no need to involves penises.

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You think gangrapists are going to follow escalation of force? They ask whether its a breach of etiquette to bring a penis to a knife fight? go ahead and expand on your post.

I see no need to expand on the obvious. Rape by definition is sexual assault.

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Originally Posted by trish

If rape were a purely violent act it wouldn't involve penises, beer bottles or baseball bats used as dildoes. Rape is a violent act born of sexual frustration and antiquated gender codes of ownership.

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Ok but I think there are times when sexual frustration is not the driving force, but the need to degarade, to humiliate, to damage and this is political, psychological -so all I am saying is I was probably wrong to characterise all rape as being purely violent, but I think a lot of it is.

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Originally Posted by trish

None of the articles mention that the teens were shot through and through with so much testosterone they could barely keep their pants on under normal conditions, let alone when face to ass with a prancing nubile boy in female attire. Religion is irrelevant here. Nationality is irrelevant. Their majors in college...you guessed it...irrelevant. Biology is the culprit. Every living male creature on Earth needs to be put in its place. There are too many rampant dicks and too many oceans of seeds spilled into napkins. Too many lions raping lionesses. Too many badgers raping badgeresses. Too many spores exploded into the open air and way too much fucking pollen. I can’t even go outside without some living thing’s sexual emissions making me sneeze. It’s time we stop blaming ancient dead books, dull dry prophets and saviors for man’s inability to control himself. We got to get a hold on our dicks. Throttle them. Control them. Crack down. Use the whip and lock them in pink little plastic cages.

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Oh. Finally got that basement dungeon finished?

I think everybody's looking at this all wrong. Weren't these teenagers? I seriously doubt that the initial attack had anything to do with the fact that the victim was in drag. These morons thought they were going to get some pussy. The idea that this was Muslims attacking the transgendered is ludicrous. From what I've gathered, none of them actually fucked the dude. (For some odd reason, a guy getting his dick sucked by another guy can still call "no homo") They were just teenage gangsters out "wilding". Whatever their original intent was overridden by circumstance. Now this doesn't excuse their behavior or make them any less the assholes they are, but i'm seeing way too much speculation that projects agenda driven premeditation on jerks who don't think at all.

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Originally Posted by hippifried

Oh. Finally got that basement dungeon finished?

I think everybody's looking at this all wrong. Weren't these teenagers? I seriously doubt that the initial attack had anything to do with the fact that the victim was in drag. These morons thought they were going to get some pussy. The idea that this was Muslims attacking the transgendered is ludicrous. From what I've gathered, none of them actually fucked the dude. (For some odd reason, a guy getting his dick sucked by another guy can still call "no homo") They were just teenage gangsters out "wilding". Whatever their original intent was overridden by circumstance. Now this doesn't excuse their behavior or make them any less the assholes they are, but i'm seeing way too much speculation that projects agenda driven premeditation on jerks who don't think at all.

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The guy wax dressed up for a fraternity party I doubt they thought they were going to get some.pussy. I think you are wrong in saying that it was basically "just" oral as the repots said he was sodomized with a foreign object.

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Originally Posted by tragicomedy

We see this in Europe because men.have tiers of dominance. This.has been repressed.in Western civilization in the last 80 years and also.in Christian and now progressive secular appeals to be humane. That has not happpened in Muslim civilization yet and Muslim immmigrants.carry that with them to Europe. If the Left doesn't force Muslims to confront it then things willl get worse not.better.

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Yah, those European Muslims get everywhere....

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/us...exas-girl.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/01/us...estioning.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/09/ny...lyn-woman.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/04/02/us...n-section.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/ny...04trenton.html


Clean up your own backyard before you talk about cleaning up ours.

Tragicomedy - have you located the reputable news source which identifies the attackers as Muslims. Or is your info just based on those right wing blogs?

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Originally Posted by Prospero

Tragicomedy - have you located the reputable news source which identifies the attackers as Muslims. Or is your info just based on those right wing blogs?

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Did you follow the links in my last post?

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Originally Posted by tragicomedy

Did you follow the links in my last post?

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I did.
No mention specifically of Muslim, tho I'm perfectly willing to believe they were.

And following on from your links, perhaps you missed the part about making generalizations?

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Originally Posted by Jericho

I did.
No mention specifically of Muslim, tho I'm perfectly willing to believe they were.

And following on from your links, perhaps you missed the part about making generalizations?

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Almost all North African or Turkish immigrants to Belgium are Muslim. The Jewish or Armenian Turkish population has had almost NO reports of crime and definitely not rape of the indigenous population, of which there are many by Muslims on non-Muslims. I cannot.do much for people like you who willl deny even what should be plain as day to suit ideology and.agenda.

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Originally Posted by tragicomedy

I cannot.do much for people like you

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Hooray...Thankfully...We finally agree on something! :shrug

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Originally Posted by tragicomedy

Almost all North African or Turkish immigrants to Belgium are Muslim. The Jewish or Armenian Turkish population has had almost NO reports of crime and definitely not rape of the indigenous population, of which there are many by Muslims on non-Muslims.

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And...As you seem to have the statistics to hand.
Just for a bit of balance, how much crime has been committed against the immigrant community?

A country by country breakdown would be nice...but not strictly necessary. :shrug

While there seems to be just one lone voice in favour of the OP's assertions, it's a shame nevertheless that the thread wasn't deleted.

As with so many threads on HA,it has deteriorated into cat-calling from entrenched opposing positions, when no facts whatsoever have been satisfactorily established, and it is instead being used as yet another opportunity for people to air their prejudices at great and tiresome length.

Sadly the rules don't include a provision for deleting a thread because it's a waste of everyone's time. Oh well.......

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

While there seems to be just one lone voice in favour of the OP's assertions, it's a shame nevertheless that the thread wasn't deleted.

As with so many threads on HA,it has deteriorated into cat-calling from entrenched opposing positions, when no facts whatsoever have been satisfactorily established, and it is instead being used as yet another opportunity for people to air their prejudices at great and tiresome length.

Sadly the rules don't include a provision for deleting a thread because it's a waste of everyone's time. Oh well.......

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Why delete? Both "sides" have offered up information and opinion on the subject as well.as links from local news. Deleting it is like putting it down the memory hole because it doesnt jive with a politically correct narrative. We can disagree on this subject and get along on different threads. This tactic.that certain group are known for of stifling inconvenient speech is disgusting.

Tragicomedy,
One gets the feeling that you don't care about the crime of rape qua rape. You don't care about victims of rape nor about preventing rape (as a general matter though I know part of your act is pretending you do).

I don't really understand the use of taking a brutal crime and turning it into a broader message of bigotry. The crime speaks for itself. Your analysis on the other hand is a broad assault on a global community having nothing to do with it. If you had a point you haven't made it in six pages of bullshit.

This from the Christian Defense League. Albeit they're an ultra right-wing group. (Problem with the Internet: anyone can post anything.
It should be a good and reliable source.)

Belgium: Now Muslim “Youths” are Gang Raping males in Drag…

http://christiandefenceleauge.wordpr...males-in-drag/

Why is it wrong to delete misrepresentations, misinterpretations and misinformation that is fabricated solely to spread bigotry and further political and religious causes? The only reason I can see for keeping this thread around it also exposes the bigots and counters their lies.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

Tragicomedy,
One gets the feeling that you don't care about the crime of rape qua rape. You don't care about victims of rape nor about preventing rape (as a general matter though I know part of your act is pretending you do).

I don't really understand the use of taking a brutal crime and turning it into a broader message of bigotry. The crime speaks for itself. Your analysis on the other hand is a broad assault on a global community having nothing to do with it. If you had a point you haven't made it in six pages of bullshit.

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I love it when folks like you resort to cursing. Yeah you really are making a point hub? I have actually posted linka from Belgian news.and.what have you done? Nothing but attack.

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Originally Posted by trish

Why is it wrong to delete misrepresentations, misinterpretations and misinformation that is fabricated solely to spread bigotry and further political and religious causes? The only reason I can see for keeping this thread around it also exposes the bigots and counters their lies.

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Counter lies with what? I provided original.belgian links.while others have ofeded.calls to.delete.and foul language. I would like to see the OP pop back.in here.

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Originally Posted by Ben

This from the Christian Defense League. Albeit they're an ultra right-wing group. (Problem with the Internet: anyone can post anything.
It should be a good and reliable source.)

Belgium: Now Muslim “Youths” are Gang Raping males in Drag…

http://christiandefenceleauge.wordpr...males-in-drag/

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We don't need the CDL source when we.have others.

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Originally Posted by tragicomedy

Counter lies with what? I provided original.belgian links.while others have ofeded.calls to.delete.and foul language. I would like to see the OP pop back.in here.

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I see you recognized yourself from a nameless description. Very good.

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Originally Posted by trish

I see you recognized yourself from a nameless description. Very good.

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Actually your description is wrong as I was defending the OP and the Itopic. You fail again.

Then how did you know yourself? LOL

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Originally Posted by tragicomedy

Counter lies with what? I provided original.belgian links.while others have ofeded.calls to.delete.and foul language. I would like to see the OP pop back.in here.

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Neither you nor anyone else has been able to establish that the people arrested for the rape of the HUB student are Muslim. It is also. very. irritating. to keep putting. full stops. in. your. posts. This is not a telegram. STOP.

I remember telegrams. Outside there are wood-burning stoves pumping carbon into the atmosphere. Very nostalgic.

I have not deleted this thread because I do not want to be accused of censorship - and having just read the past two days worth of postings from this bigot, offering no real substance to his assertions (non european immigrants so it must be a muslim plot!!!) it has been refreshing to see people here challenging and exposing him for what he clearly is.

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Originally Posted by Prospero

I have not deleted this thread because I do not want to be accused of censorship - and having just read the past two days worth of postings from this bigot, offering no real substance to his assertions (non european immigrants so it must be a muslim plot!!!) it has been refreshing to see people here challenging and exposing him for what he clearly is.

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I'm sure a lot of folks on the radical right would like to censor/expunge this whole website....

Of curse they would Ben. The American people managed to stem the floodtide of political bigotry at the election this time around. Fingers crossed for the future. Hatred is all too well and alive in the world. In the UK we've recently seen the absurd decision to ban women from becoming Bishops in the church of England, and a battle royal is taking shape over gay marriage.

When I remarked about deleting this thread i was talking about the racist elements encoded in the original post (based ONLY on radical right websites) and the stream of postings since by one individual But its turned into a decent debate.

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Originally Posted by tragicomedy

What does that make you to curse me instead of making an argument in defense of Islam. Idf you want to make this about Turkey instead of about Muslim immigrants attacking and intimidating non-Muslims we can go there AND I won't have to go back to the Armenian genocide.

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Clearly you are just an hater,you didnt know anything you just believe,if you can introduce us your academical disquisition about Armenian genocide,there is no problem for me.

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Originally Posted by cdgirl-tr

Clearly you are just an hater,you didnt know anything you just believe,if you can introduce us your academical disquisition about Armenian genocide,there is no problem for me.

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And not least because Turks were not the only people involved -the Germans were involved, the Kurds in some areas -and anyway before 1923 how many people who became Turks were ethnically Turkish? Anatolia was a melting pot of Empire, immigrants had been arriving from the lost colonies of eastern Europe for years, creating competition for land, and so on...just this weekend there was yet another programme on the radio about Lawrence of Arabia (because the film is 50 years old but any old excuse will do) and every time it mentioned the war against 'the Turks' I didnt know whether to laugh or cry -who do people think were in the Ottoman armed forces in the First World War? Not a single Arab? Not one Jew, Kurd, Armenian, Turk, Turcoman, Circassian, Chechen, Greek Orthodox? It was an Empire, just as the majority of the troops who engaged the Ottoman forces in Mesopotamia were Indian -indeed, when the British created Iraq as a League of Nations Mandate in 1921, its currency was the Indian Rupee until the Dinar was introduced a few years later.

Lawrence, it seems to me, is a hero to English schoolboys and armchair historians because his story is 'exciting' even 'successful' when so much of the First World War is about Lions led by Donkeys- Lawrence and Allenby may be the most revered officers of the War, which is ironic given the mess they left behind...

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Originally Posted by Stavros

Neither you nor anyone else has been able to establish that the people arrested for the rape of the HUB student are Muslim. It is also. very. irritating. to keep putting. full stops. in. your. posts. This is not a telegram. STOP.

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Did you read the links? The Belgian blogs are talking about it as a given that they are indeed the children of Moroccan and Turkish immigrants, confirmed after a Belgian reporter broke protocol and identified them as such. You folks ignore that and the lesser of your ilk use curse words and atttacks. I am glad that folks here have pullled back from censorship and have allowed a thread about an inconvenient news story to live.

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Originally Posted by Prospero

Of curse they would Ben. The American people managed to stem the floodtide of political bigotry at the election this time around. Fingers crossed for the future. Hatred is all too well and alive in the world. In the UK we've recently seen the absurd decision to ban women from becoming Bishops in the church of England, and a battle royal is taking shape over gay marriage.

When I remarked about deleting this thread i was talking about the racist elements encoded in the original post (based ONLY on radical right websites) and the stream of postings since by one individual But its turned into a decent debate.

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Is the radical left under the same quarantine? It seems in Europe that the rad left is given liberties that the right can only dream of. Even though previous incarnations of both have hands soaked in blood. People who apppoint themselves the boss of speech annoy me. They like to squeeze out the Left, Right and populists.

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Originally Posted by cdgirl-tr

Clearly you are just an hater,you didnt know anything you just believe,if you can introduce us your academical disquisition about Armenian genocide,there is no problem for me.

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This typifies your response on the thread. You charge in with your foul language without actually reading. I said I would not have to rely on the Armenian Genocide. Why do that when we have so much to talk about in modern times.

tragicomedy... so freedom of speech means the freedom to vilify whole groups in the way you do? Hatespeech is good speech is it? Why in every response to the person from Turkey do you eel it necessary to refer to the Armenian genocide as if that is the only thing you know about Turkey? While you're at it why not start banging on about the Ottoman empire? Janissaries and the like? Or perhaps you'd like to refer to the glorious and civilising influence of the Ottoman's at their zenith? To the great Mosque architects like Sinan?

As I see it your vilification of Muslims is emblematic of an obsessive fear transmuting into hatred of islam. Get some education about the religion and then you might be able to make some intelligent contributions to the discussion.

As others have noted even if the attackers WERE Muslim, what does that prove? Do we identity other rapists as Christians or atheists or Hindu or whatever? Do burglars who happen to be Muslim get labelled as such? I don't think so. You jumped into this to support the labelling of these people Muslim because it plays to a false stereotype pedalled by haters - in whose number you are clearly included.

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Originally Posted by tragicomedy

Did you read the links? The Belgian blogs are talking about it as a given that they are indeed the children of Moroccan and Turkish immigrants, confirmed after a Belgian reporter broke protocol and identified them as such. You folks ignore that and the lesser of your ilk use curse words and atttacks. I am glad that folks here have pullled back from censorship and have allowed a thread about an inconvenient news story to live.

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I can quote you blogs which will claim that several well-known British people from the world of politics and music ran a peadophile network from 10 Downing St; that the world is controlled by Lizard people but I forget from which planet they come; that the world will end on the 21st of December 2012.

You have not established as a fact either that the people arrested for the crime are guilty -noone has, as the trial has not taken place, if it does- or that they are Muslim. There are thousands of children of Muslims in the UK who came here from Pakistan, Bangladesh, India or anywhere else or who were born here, who do not practise their faith. Unless you can both prove that those arrested are guilty in advance of any court proceedings -and why would you do that anyway?-and then prove that their actions were derived from their faith then you are just being politically provocative.

There was a time when GI's were loathed in this country because 'they all' had money and were taking our women. Was that true?

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Originally Posted by Prospero

tragicomedy... so freedom of speech means the freedom to vilify whole groups in the way you do? Hatespeech is good speech is it? Why in every response to the person from Turkey do you eel it necessary to refer to the Armenian genocide as if that is the only thing you know about Turkey? While you're at it why not start banging on about the Ottoman empire? Janissaries and the like? Or perhaps you'd like to refer to the glorious and civilising influence of the Ottoman's at their zenith? To the great Mosque architects like Sinan?

As I see it your vilification of Muslims is emblematic of an obsessive fear transmuting into hatred of islam. Get some education about the religion and then you might be able to make some intelligent contributions to the discussion.

As others have noted even if the attackers WERE Muslim, what does that prove? Do we identity other rapists as Christians or atheists or Hindu or whatever? Do burglars who happen to be Muslim get labelled as such? I don't think so. You jumped into this to support the labelling of these people Muslim because it plays to a false stereotype pedalled by haters - in whose number you are clearly included.

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You are being a reactionary if you think I am vilifying them. Muslims in Europe are the key to stopping this anti-social behavior. How did.the U.S. Stop Klan.terrorism? Infiltration.and prosecution but also exposing and shaming. This tactic is essential to true mainstream social change. You think you are helping them but you are actually just enabling Muslim supremacists within their community.

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Originally Posted by Prospero

tragicomedy... so freedom of speech means the freedom to vilify whole groups in the way you do? Hatespeech is good speech is it? Why in every response to the person from Turkey do you eel it necessary to refer to the Armenian genocide as if that is the only thing you know about Turkey? While you're at it why not start banging on about the Ottoman empire? Janissaries and the like? Or perhaps you'd like to refer to the glorious and civilising influence of the Ottoman's at their zenith? To the great Mosque architects like Sinan?

As I see it your vilification of Muslims is emblematic of an obsessive fear transmuting into hatred of islam. Get some education about the religion and then you might be able to make some intelligent contributions to the discussion.

As others have noted even if the attackers WERE Muslim, what does that prove? Do we identity other rapists as Christians or atheists or Hindu or whatever? Do burglars who happen to be Muslim get labelled as such? I don't think so. You jumped into this to support the labelling of these people Muslim because it plays to a false stereotype pedalled by haters - in whose number you are clearly included.

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You truly are a reactionary. I said I was.NOT going to rely on the Armenian genocide like so.many others do.

<Lawrence, it seems to me, is a hero to English schoolboys and armchair historians because his story is 'exciting' even 'successful' when so much of the First World War is about Lions led by Donkeys- Lawrence and Allenby may be the most revered officers of the War, which is ironic given the mess they left behind...>

In fairness to Lawrence, he knew by 1916 of the Sykes-Picot agreement and that it would be impossible for Britain to honor their promise of self determination to the Arabs in exchange for their help in driving the Ottoman Turks out of what is now Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria. Nevertheless he was a commissioned officer in the intelligence service during wartime so he carried out his duties despite the overwhelming sense of guilt it caused.

Great Britain/UK has a lot to answer for in the Middle East.