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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
:iagree: It isn't like the gunman was watching the movie, then went postal because of the child.
Would I bring my child to a midnight showing? Now yes, especially since it's summer vacation and all, but when she was three months? No.
From one mom to another, thank you. Someone needs to talk some sense into these childless boys. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by ValerieNelson
And that's an interesting choice of wording, the post office mass shooting is one of my earliest memory of them ever occuring.
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He may be the sweetest child ever and of course, most parents would think that of their child but I just don't see it as a judgement call allowing him to play Call of Duty - which is violent - I think the impact that it could have on any child, wouldn't be apparent until much later in life. I don't think it would be the only factor but would it play into being one of them in de-sensitising them to violence? I play that game - I'm an adult and I think it's violent.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
The fact a child was in this movie as no relation to the gunman or the deaths - he could have chosen any movie - but I'd question any parent taking a 6 yr old to a violent movie.
My parents didn't give a fuck about me watching certain R rated movies at a young age. They would just fast forward the sex scenes that was it.
And that's why to this day you cum too quick. (Sorry, couldn't resist the setup)Quote:
Originally Posted by Silcc69
Me too. When I saw Carrie my dad was only concerned with the nude shower scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silcc69
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Question it all you like. You're entitled to your opinion, and so am I, 'opinion' being the operative word. More importantly though, correlation does not prove causality, so again, I argue that it's all subjective.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
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Yep. I agree and it's also a thin line which I'll cross when I get to it on at what age, allowing them to watch what.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
The mind of a child is SOOOO impressionable, many times parents take for granted how what they expose their child to under the age of 7 can have a profound, sometimes irreversible impact on their psychological development.
IMO it's not really a good idea to expose a child to violent media when he/she hasn't had the time to fully develop his moral sense of right and wrong.
It's naive to think exposing children to violence isn't potentially damaging to them.
Exactly! :iagree:Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
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Park Dietz was on BBC TV last night; he is a famous American Forensic Psychiatrist whose reputation was forged through his interrogations of Jeffrey Dahmer, who confessed that he used a condom when having sex with his victims (dead or alive), and if he ate parts of them, it was always the biceps which he ate with potato and onions. Here he is:
Dietz: The real issues with mass murderers is that all of them are both sad and depressed enough to be willing to die and also angry or paranoid enough that they are blaming other people for their suffering and misfortune. Those are two of the critical ingredients, there has never been a mass murderer, acting alone, who didn’t have both of those (characteristics) in mass murders against strangers where mass murder is defined as three or more people dead in one incident for psychological reasons.
The interview is here:
http://www.securityinfowatch.com/article/10489768/the-psychology-of-a-mass-murderer
on Jeffrey Dahmer:
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500164_162-263918.html
Dietz is highly critical of the portrayal of acts of violence against women in movies, particularly if they take place before or after sex, an article on him is here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...ds-412116.html
My son love violent stuff like power rangers, tom and jerry, looney tunes, comic books, and horror movies. At 8 years old he will tell you quick that it is all make believe and if you do that type of stuff to a real person that they will die and you will end up in jail. Kids are impressionable and no matter where they are they will be exposed to stuff like that. Our jobs as parents is to help them put it in perspective and learn right from wrong. It doesn't matter whether the violence is real or cartoon they will see it. We can shield them from it all we want but it seems to me that the kids that go off the rails are those that had people keeping them from reality all their lives. It is easy to say what you would do if you had kids or what you think of parents and how they raise their own but until you have to raise some of your own it is really just a bunch of BS talk. We worry about a 6 year old watching Batman but think nothing of them sitting in front of the TV watching the news and listening to mom and dad argue and curse each other.
Well this is personal cause a friend of mine was killed in that shooting Jessica Ghawi aka Jessica Redfield.
Great human being, amazing person RIP
She was the survivor of the Toronto Mall Shooting. RIP.Quote:
Originally Posted by red-cyberman
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1118365
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Read about that. Very sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dino Velvet
And, too, what are the chances of that happening, too? It's crazy.
According to some press reports, there are moves to ban costumes in cinemas.
Yep, that should solve the problem of mass shootings. For fucks sake.
Does it ever occur to people who decide to have children that there are certain sacrifices that need to be made as parents of a little kid?... like not going to a fucking 2 AM Batman movie if you can't afford a babysitter. NO. You can't drag your child to a totally inappropriate movie for a four year old simply because you had a bad day at work and feel you deserve a night of fun. Then why did you have kids? Being a shitty parent does not validate your status as a functional adult.
You think the kids of these white trash self-indulged parents will become emergency room nurses or oral surgeons ...... probably not.
They're likely to become deliquents and drop outs..... like their parents
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Originally Posted by flabbybody
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Agreed... same goes for those now calling for increased gun control to prevent such an act in future (or many of the 'security' responses to 9/11).Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
The sad fact is there is only one kind of gun control that could prevent this kind of mass-shooting from happening ever again... a giant magnet... in space... which sucks up any and all guns from the earth... and keeps orbiting in case someone happens to build a firearm of their own.
Alas in this country we are quite bad at targeting the wrong thing when a tragedy like this happens... I’m fairly certain that this tragic shooting will come down to a case of beta male rage...which is not something you can easily target/fix so as to prevent the possibility of.
Sorry to hear that.Quote:
Originally Posted by red-cyberman
I own dozens of guns. Guns are not the problem. It is the crazy fucks who use them to hurt people. If he did not have the guns , then he would have used the homemade bombs that he made in his apartment. I personally never leave home without a gun.
NO ONE will ever get my guns!!!!!!!!!
If one sane person owned all the guns in the world, perhaps there'd be no problem. But the law of large numbers doesn't work like that. In fact, the more guns there are and the easier it is to possess them more nuts will own and use them; and more ignorant and silly people will handle to them. All of us will be at an increased risk of being shot either deliberately or by accident. Guns infringe on our legitimate right to an expectation of safety and security. Guns ARE the problem.
sorry. that horseshit gun lobby argument is very tired. Home made bombs are notoriously unreliable and inefficient when it comes to killing. But any nitwit can operate an assault weapon. It's specifically designed to kill, and kill quickly and easily. For what purpose would a private citizen own this sort of gun ?Quote:
Originally Posted by scopas66
On the other hand, in the worst cases of feral youth with a temper that can explode into violence at any moment, they have often grown up in a dysfunctional household where violence -physical violence and violent language- are the 'natural' responses to a situation, in homes where alcohol and drug abuse are normal -far from being shielded from the reality of violence, it is often the only reality they have. Crucially, they do not grow up in homes with loving relationships; they are unable to love themselves or anyone else. The absence of love is another element to add to the depression and paranoia that drives pseudo-commandos -Breivik, for example, claims to loves something but it is abstract: his concept of Norway, but he has shown no capacity to love another person, and it is debatable if his apparently extreme vanity is actually self-love, or self-loathing. Often these guys feel they have to complete a 'mission' and that love would be a distraction. Lee Harvey Oswald also had problems forming relationships.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiet Reflections
Well let's see...Quote:
Originally Posted by flabbybody
An armed populous keeps the government away. Look at all the nice little places like North Korea and Iran, where the people are stripped of everything. As much as many of them would like to live in a free Democracy, they don't have the capability to fight off the government and its military full of retarded drones who "just follow orders". Meanwhile we see places like Libya and Syria, where the citizens rebelled, used there ability to access "assault weapons" and threw off their oppressive, tyrannical governments. We see this now in Syria, where these heroic civilians, armed with guns, are fighting a genocidal government and for fucks sake, are whooping its ass. We forget that our forefathers, the dudes who MADE this country in 1776, USED the right to buy, possess and use firearms to FREE ourselves from corrupt British rule. I own a semi-automatic Smith & Wesson AR-15 chambered 5.56 NATO, because the Second Amendment of this great country says I can. I own it because I have the right to defend my home from intruders, whether they are civilian criminals or government criminals. And when the day comes that the Feds ban my right to own them, I'll repeat the same words our forefathers used in 1776 in the Declaration of Independence and like a good Syrian bad-ass, liberate my country from the corrupt thieves and maniacs that run this country.
What makes this interesting little spree killing so fascinating to me, is that while the United Nations for the past three weeks has been deliberating a VERY unpopular international gun ban behind closed doors, a poor 24 year old college kid somehow acquires a military arsenal, rigs his apartment like he was a trained Navy SEAL with IED booby traps and then proceeds to throw tear gas cans in to a movie theater to shoot up civilians, carrying one of each type of weapons most gun owners have access to, a long gun "rifle", a shotgun and a pistol and then walks back out and allows the police to arrest him without a massive gun battle you'd expect from a dipshit in heavy body armor. With the nation now crying out for justice and gun control, this international UN gun ban has the support the government needs to ratify it and in the end, strip away the MOST IMPORTANT Constitutional right we have in America. The right that we used once before against out previous government. A right that is displayed in Syria. A right that the U.S. government is afraid we might use one day when more than enough "usurpations" of our rights have occurred under the previous Bush admin, the current Obama admin and the next administration. Blatant false flag operation is blatant.Quote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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Originally Posted by trish
You can indulge in all the wishful thinking you like Trish, but it's pure folly. There are certain realities of American politics, and American culture that aren't going to change for historical and other reasons. I don't want to turn this into a political back and forth, however... You wish to ban guns, or severely restrict them. I wish African Americans would be more open minded to other political philosophies that might lead to greater empowerment because from any sane person's vantage their not doing all that well voting in the 97 percentile for one political party.....but I'm pragmatic enough to realize that's not going to happen. I can talk about it...preach about it, but at the end of the day, it's wasted time. You're smart enough to realize the majority of Americans are not going allow any infringement on the 2nd amendment to the degree you'd propose.You can talk about it, you can preach about it....but at the end of the day it's wasted time. These two things are somewhat political but more cultural and they're not changing anytime soon.....like it or not. We go down this road after every tragedy like this. As humans who largely feel compassion, we try to make sense of the senseless.
So how would go about preventing shit like this from happening again? Give me an honest answer OMK? This guy wasn't a criminal he seemed to come from a pretty good upbringing and he still went crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by onmyknees
Where did I indulge in wishful thinking. Please point it out. Where did I say I want to ban guns? Please point it out. I'm merely stating the fact that decreased regulation on firearms increases everyone risk of being deliberately or accidentally shot. I hold no hope of stopping the present trend of increasing firearm freedoms. I have no hope of changing the minds of fools who think the long history of armed conflict between U.S. citizens and the U.S. army (:roll:) is what keeps tyranny at bay.Quote:
You can indulge in all the wishful thinking you like...
(By the way, shouldn't a good Christian like OMK be Church on a Sunday morning and not posting on a porn forum? What automatic weapon would Jesus choose?)
The real facts say otherwise:Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...up-crime-down/
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...ime-down-again
http://personalliberty.com/2010/09/2...own-800068807/
A registerered firearm holder stopped this robbery by 2 thugs one with an unregistered weapon. Ask the patrons which side of the fence their on? And yes, he hit what he was shooting at, while they were running away.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
71 year old Man Stops Armed Robbery - YouTube
Kitty Kaity, Those stats don't account for the American guns bought here and hustled down to Mexico to slaughter 50,000 innocent civilians. Big money for US Gun Companies!! YAY!
When the 2nd amendment was penned, the citizenry had just risen up and overthrown a tyrannical government, and that memory was fresh. As far as why would a private citizen need such a weapon now, well, for one example you could be driving down the street minindg your own business when an angry mob decides to drag you out of your car and smash your head in.Quote:
Originally Posted by flabbybody
La riots Truck Driver. - YouTube
If you have to call them "real facts" to distinguish them from facts, they're already suspect. Personal Liberty? Opposing Views? Really? There indeed has been some drop in crime in the U.S. attributed to the shift in demographics (on average violent crimes are perpetrated by angry unwanted young men...both fewer unwanted births and aging population are factors that depress crime statistics). In the "real" world we don't get to hold all other factors constant to measure the effect of a single variable. But luckily logic and mathematics can help: increase the hazards (read firearms) and you will increase the risk of injury.
Our right to bear arms is not in any form causing the problems in Mexico. Mexico's shitty government, which is flooded with corruption and both its inability and refusal to pay its military forces and law enforcement enough money to actually want to fight the crime, risking their lives, is causing the sharp rise in violence. With large portions of the Mexican police forces and army soldiers also affiliated with the drug Cartels, the majority of the weapons used in these cartel crimes are acquired through corrupt police officers and treasonous Mexican army soldiers who provide weapons, ammo and other supplies to drug cartels. Mexico's inability to control and deal with its own crime crisis is their problem, not ours.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttslinger
wow, you just quoted statistics, without quoting any, stated facts, without stating oneQuote:
Originally Posted by trish
Think of the irony of someone protesting the right to bear arms, under flashing banners for "shemale sex in public" and tranny gangbang ads. Oh wait, that's your right to free speech? So a literal translation of the right to bear arms for safety is wrong, because some sick broken individual goes nuts. But translating the right to free speech into something way beyond the founding fathers imagination is cool?
Are you attempting to say that the majority of crimes are committed because a dude had sex with a woman who had a baby and he doesn't want the baby? Less abortions increases crime? Can you even provide a link to anything that would show increases in abortion rates will prevent men from killing people?Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Indeed, assualt weapons are aptly named: their used to assualt and kill others. An average citizen with the "freedumb" to purchase all of these items legally caused the death of innocent people. And no, if more people had guns in the theater (the dumb argument used by gun nuts) more people would have ended up dead in th chaos.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
These nuts who claim Obama is out to restrict gun rights are idiots. He allowed the ban on assualt weapons to expire (dumb). And has not taken ANY measures to infringe anyone's access to guns.
Kaiti, I <3 love you!!!
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We dont live in a society like Japan. We are one disaster or unpopular court decision away from chaos. Not just USA, but UK and Euro has seen plenty of their share of unrest lately. Better to be armed when the laws are thrown out the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabaldone
Katrina Looters - YouTube
Wah, wah, guns kill people! So many people die from guns and shit! We should ban them and it will stop people from dying!
Yes, 12 people died today from that shooting. Meanwhile, 57 people died today from cigarette smoking. And that happens everyday. In the United States, an average of 32,000 people are killed per year in some manner by a firearm, whether in a crime or on accident. Compare that to cigarette and tobacco use... well, I hope you feel like idiots. Nearly 450,000 deaths alone in the United States because of direct cigarette and tobacco use and the related painful diseases and cancers attributed to its use. That doesn't include the other ~50,000 Americans who die annually from inhalation of second hand smoke. SECOND HAND SMOKE ALONE, has a higher death rate than every gun death in the country. Want it in an easier way to understand it? ~500,000 deaths per year from cigarettes since the turn of the 21st Century: 6 million dead. Comparable with World War II Nazi genocide of Jews. Gun related dead, since turn of 21st century: ~384,000. IT WOULD TAKE ALMOST 16 YEARS OF GUN DEATHS TO EVEN BE COMPARABLE WITH ONE YEAR'S WORTH OF TOBACCO DEATHS. Have fun smoking though. It's totally cool.
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_stat...aths/index.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_stat...ects/index.htm