WoodNutSac "All TS's are Men in it for Attention"

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

a) shemaleyum.com AKA 'The premiere megasite for men in dresses, and a few TS's.'

b) essentially you've argued that you can't see a chromosome, which is an argument utilized by many transwomen (myself included) to lessen the perception that they are are not women. Transvestites can't utilize this argument since they're literally men in dresses. Chromosomes are the least of their problems. yet you put them on Shemaleyum with transitioned women and imply that they're the same. Just because you haven't come right out and said it, that doesn't mean we can't draw a legitimate conclusion from your actions. :?



~BB~

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a) I've just counted on SMY's last 100 updated models. Only one MAY be a crossdresser/part-timer, I'm not sure - so I'd say yes, we still are the internet's premiere transssexual site.

b) No, Bella - you drew conclusions. I clearly just put that up to show one of the few differences in people and that not everyone falls into MEN or WOMEN. It had nothing to do with TV vs TS - I even stated below, it was just one "little example".

Your nasty piece of work aren't you? I know you revel in it but it's very disturbing how nasty you really are. I wouldn't put anything past that twisted little mind of yours.

sceanchai no need to defend giving your customers what they want to see.
a guy jerking off to a shemaleyum vid could give a fuck if the model is TV, CD, TS, or whatever.
wasn't Jamie Markham hugely popular before she decided to go do gay porn ?

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Originally Posted by seanchai

a) I've just counted on SMY's last 100 updated models. Only one MAY be a crossdresser/part-timer, I'm not sure - so I'd say yes, we still are the internet's premiere transssexual site.

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I didn't say the TV's were popular, I just that they're there and marketed on a site that you still, even in this sentence, swear is the premier transsexual site. Since it also features TV's, which part of my statement is incorrect? Oh right... none of it.

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Originally Posted by seanchai

b) No, Bella - you drew conclusions. I clearly just put that up to show one of the few differences in people and that not everyone falls into MEN or WOMEN. It had nothing to do with TV vs TS - I even stated below, it was just one "little example".

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I understand that, but I'd also argue that it shadows your actions in this matter. They speak louder than your words.

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Originally Posted by seanchai

Your nasty piece of work aren't you? I know you revel in it but it's very disturbing how nasty you really are. I wouldn't put anything past that twisted little mind of yours.

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I don't revel in any of this. The nasty piece of work is you, making personal arguments out of the tiniest criticisms, until, lo and behold, the criticisms grow stronger and louder because now you've gone and pissed people off who have business, investigative, and political skills that you can't match who, due to your own ignorant, shortsighted actions, you've radicalized against you.

As I've said on numerous occasions, there are plenty of people who agree with what I've said about you and your company and you're just mad that you can't destroy my integrity as the perceived leader of said people.

Politics 101. :geek:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

it's odd that a man who shoots amateur TV's and markets them right along TS's as if they're the same thing is now here touting the differences between the two.

~BB~

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Not trying to speak on behalf of Steven, but Marketing TVs and TSs is a no brainer... Members of TGirl porn sites obviously want to see both because they know Some TV's and some TSs are passable or attractive to them.

I don't think he Markets them together because he actually believes they are the SAME thing.

You're just picking an argument every time the guy posts something..

We get it Bella, you don't like him.

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Originally Posted by flabbybody

sceanchai no need to defend giving your customers what they want to see.
a guy jerking off to a shemaleyum vid could give a fuck if the model is TV, CD, TS, or whatever.
wasn't Jamie Markham hugely popular before she decided to go do gay porn ?

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so right about this Flabby lol

the consumer don't differentiate - unless they say oh that one has tits so it must be a tranny

Need I remind you a ts is based on what's going on in the inside not just the outside..how do you know the girl isn't a TS - oh right cause she hasn't been on hormones as long as you or had surgery still working on her shadow

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Originally Posted by flabbybody

sceanchai no need to defend giving your customers what they want to see.
a guy jerking off to a shemaleyum vid could give a fuck if the model is TV, CD, TS, or whatever.
wasn't Jamie Markham hugely popular before she decided to go do gay porn ?

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If I didn't know better I'd say you just proved my point for me. :lol:

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Originally Posted by KellyShore

Need I remind you a ts is based on what's going on in the inside not just the outside..how do you know the girl isn't a TS - oh right cause she hasn't been on hormones as long as you or had surgery still working on her shadow

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Even still. That doesn't mean a transitioning girl is ready to model. Jamie was a perfect example. As popular as 'she' was, it was clear that 'she' wasn't a TS, and yet 'she' was getting all this attention because of 'her' proximity to Brittany. Nepotism, much?

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Originally Posted by Kayden Harley

You're just picking an argument every time the guy posts something..

We get it Bella, you don't like him.

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That's unfair. I let him do his thing until he starts talking about trans-politics. I don't care how many model yes-girls that just want to stay on the money man's good side defend him, I only attack when I think he's saying or doing something that I find politically unfair or disadvantageous to transwomen, particularly when he stands to benefit. For the most part, I've been leaving his posts alone.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I didn't say the TV's were popular, I just that they're there and marketed on a site that you still, even in this sentence, swear is the premier transsexual site. Since it also features TV's, which part of my statement is incorrect? Oh right... none of it.



I understand that, but I'd also argue that it shadows your actions in this matter. They speak louder than your words.



I don't revel in any of this. The nasty piece of work is you, making personal arguments out of the tiniest criticisms, until, lo and behold, the criticisms grow stronger and louder because now you've gone and pissed people off who have business, investigative, and political skills that you can't match who, due to your own ignorant, shortsighted actions, you've radicalized against you.

As I've said on numerous occasions, there are plenty of people who agree with what I've said about you and your company and you're just mad that you can't destroy my integrity as the perceived leader of said people.

Politics 101. :geek:

~BB~

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Let me guess how your beef with Seanchai started. Seanchai must be some photographer or producer for a porn company, u tried to get some pics, work, photo shoots or something done with him, but he must of have passed u by, now u mad at him??? Am I'm close?

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Even still. That doesn't mean a transitioning girl is ready to model. Jamie was a perfect example. As popular as 'she' was, it was clear that 'she' wasn't a TS, and yet 'she' was getting all this attention because of 'her' proximity to Brittany. Nepotism, much?

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Who are you to make that decision? Who are you to say she wasn't ready? She was popular, guys enjoyed her, she was one of the best sellers on Shemale Strokers? Unlike you.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

That's unfair. I let him do his thing until he starts talking about trans-politics. I don't care how many model yes-girls that just want to stay on the money man's good side defend him, I only attack when I think he's saying or doing something that I find politically unfair or disadvantageous to transwomen, particularly when he stands to benefit. For the most part, I've been leaving his posts alone.

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Absolutely pathetic. You attack me constantly on a business and a personal level. You've went out of your way with poor attempts to hurt my business and the people working in it. You were a yes-girl ... we were the ones who said, hmm thanks but NO!!!

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

............ because now you've gone and pissed people off who have business, investigative, and political skills that you can't match who, due to your own ignorant, shortsighted actions, you've radicalized against you.
Politics 101. :geek:

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Hahahaha.
Delusions 101.

Have they already radicalized or did they go for a beer instead and leave you at home - or is it something I have to look forward to?

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Originally Posted by SirCumsAlot

Let me guess how your beef with Seanchai started. Seanchai must be some photographer or producer for a porn company, u tried to get some pics, work, photo shoots or something done with him, but he must of have passed u by, now u mad at him??? Am I'm close?

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That would be their convenient excuse, but actually they invited me to shoot, promised to help me get into the business, dropped the ball on it, played with my shoot release date because I wanted to self-promote, used the WORST photos in the sets (that never should be been released, let alone showcased) to market me (effectively slowing my career), patronized me until they couldn't anymore at which time Steven decided to publicly argue with me about it instead of talking to me one-on-one. This is to say nothing of the Mean Girls' 'Plastics' attitude that is encouraged among their people. They truly think their shit doesn't stink.

From there I decided I would scrutinize Grooby's business plan more closely, and lo and behold, I found everything I needed to establish that it runs like the 'Wal-Mart of Tranny Pr0n,' step on the little guy, promote the undeserving, and blur the lines between TS/TV/CD so that a a 24/7 man in lipstick and a dress is somehow the same as an individual who has taken the time and had the commitment to assert and confirm their identity as female.

I could go on, but it might take all day. I won't lie: things are looking up and I think there have been efforts made lately to level the playing field, and in private conversations on this topic, I've given him credit for that. The question is whether or not he has an ulterior motive and if it will be enough to undo the damage that he's caused to the image of transsexuals over the years.

Mark my words though, if Steven actually puts in more effort to help transwomen become more independent and accepted in society, I will be the first to congratulate him. As far as I'm concerned, the personal stuff has been water under the bridge for quite some time. This is purely business/political now.

~BB~

There are plenty of Ts with ts etc and still see themselves as gay men and only have such surgeries for their jobs....so is a consumer supposed to differentiate there tooo?

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Originally Posted by seanchai

You were a yes-girl ... we were the ones who said, hmm thanks but NO!!!

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Are you fucking serious? When, in the entire history of my time in this scene, have I ever been a yes-girl? Do you really expect people here to believe that?! :?

I've been an activist since age 12. My attitude has always been, 'be yourself and come what may.' You're twisting this on purpose. FAIL.

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Originally Posted by KellyShore

There are plenty of Ts with ts etc and still see themselves as gay men and only have such surgeries for their jobs....so is a consumer supposed to differentiate there tooo?

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No, it's up to producers to do that, to portray and market people in the correct light. Those 'girls' who have surgery just to be in porn are not girls and you know it. Just look at all the Brazilians who de-transition. 'Hey look, I'm a girl.' Then, 'hey look, I'm a boy!'

Hey look, I'm a lamp post. Stop playing devil's advocate.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

That would be their convenient excuse, but actually they invited me to shoot, promised to help me get into the business, dropped the ball on it, played with my shoot release date because I wanted to self-promote, used the WORST photos in the sets (that never should be been released, let alone showcased) to market me (effectively slowing my career), patronized me until he couldn't anymore at which time he decided to publicly argue with me about it instead of talking to me one-on-one. This is to say nothing of the Mean Girls' 'Plastics' attitude that is encouraged among they're people. They truly think their shit doesn't stink.

From there I decided I would scrutinize Grooby's business plan more closely, and lo and behold, I found everything I needed to establish that it runs like the 'Wal-Mart of Tranny Pr0n,' step on the little guy, promote the undeserving, and blur the lines between TS/TV/CD so that a a 24/7 man in lipstick and a dress is somehow the same as an individual who has taken the time and had the commitment to assert and confirm their identity as female.

I could go on, but it might take all day. I won't lie: things are looking up and I think there have been efforts made lately to level the playing field, and in private conversations on this topic, I've given him credit for that. The question is whether or not he has an ulterior motive and if will be enough to undo the damage that he's caused to the image of transsexuals over the year.

Mark my words though, if Steven actually puts in more effort to help transwomen become more independent and accepted in society, I will be the first to congratulate him. as far as I'm concerned, the personal stuff has been water under the bridge for quite some time. This is purely political now.

~BB~

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Oh. I'mma just stay out ya'll beef on this one

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Originally Posted by SirCumsAlot

Oh. I'mma just stay out ya'll beef on this one

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Thank you. It's quite complicated and has a 2+ year history, despite what my opposition would tell you.

~BB~

well glad it wasn't me who started this topic

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

That's unfair. I let him do his thing until he starts talking about trans-politics. I don't care how many model yes-girls that just want to stay on the money man's good side defend him, I only attack when I think he's saying or doing something that I find politically unfair or disadvantageous to transwomen, particularly when he stands to benefit. For the most part, I've been leaving his posts alone.

~BB~

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Actually Bella, you don't know me, or my professional relationship with Steven to call me a "Yes-girl that just wants to stay on the money". In fact, I recently turned down an idea because I wasn't comfortable it. Steven was very understanding and together we figured out an alternate solution so that everybody would be pleased... So already, you're talking out of your ass. Stick to what you know :yayo:

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

they invited me to shoot, promised to help me get into the business, dropped the ball on it, played with my shoot release date because I wanted to self-promote, used the WORST photos in the sets (that never should be been released, let alone showcased) to market me (effectively slowing my career)

~BB~

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BINGO and now it all makes sense. you know Bella, for a girl who constantly claims just to "call it how I see it", you sure fail to see that it's almost impossible to find a post by Steven that isn't followed by a 'read', or a rebuttal from Bella just minutes later.

I usually agree with your contributions to HA, but this time your posts aren't as much of a contribution as they are annoying.

<3

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

From there I decided I would scrutinize Grooby's business plan more closely, and lo and behold, I found everything I needed to establish that it runs like the 'Wal-Mart of Tranny Pr0n,' step on the little guy, promote the undeserving, and blur the lines between TS/TV/CD so that a a 24/7 man in lipstick and a dress is somehow the same as an individual who has taken the time and had the commitment to assert and confirm their identity as female.
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Bella, I don't know Steven but am familiar with his company. From what I have seen over the years, he recognized a demand, found willing talent (that get paid for their services), created successful marketing, and basically exploded the TS/TG/TV/CD porn niche which seems to have led to revenue-generating opportunities for a lot of people who likely had very limited means of making any money. His company can't stay in business by making large payouts to all models but models can use the exposure gained from working with Grooby to go do their own thing. That has to be worth something to anyone who wants to pursue a career in porn.

And to be frank, why should the business concern itself with whether a person is TS/TG/TV/CD as long as they present in a manner that's appealing to consumers? Consumers don't seem to care because they're buying into a fantasy anyways. It's not Grooby's role to play psychologist or gender police.

I understand the point you are trying to make and it is valid but after years of reading the arguments between you two I think that you may be channeling your activism at the wrong guy.

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Originally Posted by Kayden Harley

Actually Bella, you don't know me, or my professional relationship with Steven to call me a "Yes-girl that just wants to stay on the money". In fact, I recently turned down an idea because I wasn't comfortable it. Steven was very understanding and together we figured out an alternate solution so that everybody would be pleased... So already, you're talking out of your ass. Stick to what you know :yayo:

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So wait, you had a positive experience with him and that doesn't compel you to defend him? You may not be a yes-girl, but you're certainly on the Grooby team, as are many of the girls here. Many of them can come and say positive things about Grooby, and I even admitted that I will as I see more positive changes, but the difference with me is, I won't be doing it because they contribute to my bottom line, but because I will truly believe in what they're doing. That's called integrity.

Oh, and having been in business for myself for 10+ years and politics for 20 years means business and politics are what I know. :geek:

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Originally Posted by Kayden Harley

BINGO and now it all makes sense. you know Bella, for a girl who constantly claims just to "call it how I see it", you sure fail to see that it's almost impossible to find a post by Steven that isn't followed by a 'read', or a rebuttal from Bella just minutes later.

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That's not true. A few months ago I got a request from the owner of this site to leave his promotional threads alone. I've done that. He's been free to operate here, for the most part, without my interference. That said, calling bullshit is precisely what I do, and not just to Steven. If you truly have been reading my posts, then you know all this, but I know you're just acting on a knee-jerk reaction because you have no idea what occurred.

I made my point. I'm moving on. People can think what they like. If they took the red pill, that's their problem, not mine.

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Originally Posted by runningdownthatdream

I understand the point you are trying to make and it is valid but after years of reading the arguments between you two I think that you may be channeling your activism at the wrong guy.

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He's the one who pretty much started the industry and his is the largest company right now. That's two good reasons to use him as my example. If you have any other ideas, I'd be keen to hear them. This really isn't personal for me. :?

~BB~

......and so the never-ending battle between Bella and Seanchai continues Also,does Kayden like backshots.....no disrepect

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

"sceanchai no need to defend giving your customers what they want to see.
a guy jerking off to a shemaleyum vid could give a fuck if the model is TV, CD, TS, or whatever.
wasn't Jamie Markham hugely popular before she decided to go do gay porn ?"

If I didn't know better I'd say just you proved my point for me. :lol:

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lol. Flabby made Bella's point so perfectly! You couldn't write that shit :P

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

having been in business for myself for 10+ years and politics for 20 years means business and politics are what I know. :geek:

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You know very well that when I told you to stick to what you know, it was in reply to you calling me his "Yes-Girl" ... which I proved you knew nothing about.

Also, for someone who knows business and politics so well, you sure know how to burn bridges with company whom you yourself claim is the first, and the biggest in this industry.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

A few months ago I got a request from the owner of this site to leave his promotional threads alone.

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Yeah, when it get's to that point, it's pretty much a sign that people are annoyed, which is my issue, too. Then today make make this comment:

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I think Woody is Seanchai's sockpuppet. He exists so that Steven can utilize his white knight complex and save all TS from the perils of society and the industry. You are NO messiah, sir, and certainly no protector. Most of our issues were either caused or perpetuated by you. You are a fox in the hen house and this is an exercise intended to up your political cred, which should be difficult, considering that you didn't start with any.

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Seriously? How is anyone going to take you seriously when you shit like that?

You just premiered your first Hardcore with another company, You seem to be happy about that, so why are you still barking about something that happened 2 years ago?

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Originally Posted by doctor screw

Also,does Kayden like backshots.....no disrepect

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eh? lol:confused:

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Originally Posted by Kayden Harley

Also, for someone who knows business and politics so well, you sure know how to burn bridges with company whom you yourself claim is the first, and the biggest in this industry.

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Well, sometimes my politics outweigh my business sense, sure, but I fail to see how that proves that I don't know either well. :geek:

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Originally Posted by Kayden Harley

Yeah, when it get's to that point, it's pretty much a sign that people are annoyed, which is my issue, too. Then today make make this comment:

Seriously? How is anyone going to take you seriously when you shit like that?

You just premiered your first Hardcore with another company, You seem to be happy about that, so why are you still barking about something that happened 2 years ago?

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... umm, because it's not personal, just like I said it wasn't. But I'd like to thank both you and Flabby for doing my heavy lifting today and proving my points. ;)

You don't know any better so I'm trying to go easy on you, but there's a lesson to be learned from this: never argue with a masturbator... err, master debater. :jerkoff

~BB~

You all just need one big group hug :grouphug

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Originally Posted by SirCumsAlot

You all just need one big group hug :grouphug

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Someday I hope. Someday. It's not easy being me. :yingyang:

~BB~

Backshots.........meaning,you bent over or in doggy style position receiving my member.....once again no disrespect(I'll be gentle:creepy old man voice)

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

He's the one who pretty much started the industry and his is the largest company right now. That's two good reasons to use him as my example. If you have any other ideas, I'd be keen to hear them. This really isn't personal for me. :?
~BB~

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If the girls were really disappointed with the Grooby model, you'd be the head of an army capable of shutting them down. Clearly that's not the case. So one of two things: either Grooby is fair in its dealings or the girls don't know that they can do better. If you really believe they can do better then you should work on showing them how and forget about attacking Grooby. Attacking Grooby leaves you in exactly the position you seem to be in: a shepherd trying to shit in the trough that everyone else is drinking from. You'll never win supporters that way!

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Well, sometimes my politics outweigh my business sense, sure, but I fail to see how that proves that I don't know either well. :geek:

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:praying: Sweetheart, you obviously don't get what I'm saying to you.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

... umm, because it's not personal, just like I said it wasn't.

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Right, so you're running your mouth still.. 2 years later, because it's 'not personal'. Yeah, we get it. :screwy

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

You don't know any better so I'm trying to go easy on you, but there's a lesson to be learned from this: never argue with a masturbator... err, master debater. :jerkoff:

~BB~

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The Queen Bee of HA has given me a pass? I'm honored! :fu: Not seeing what everyone else sees doesn't make you a "Master Debater", it makes you... well.. I'll just save the rest of this for a rainy day.

Back to why we're ALL here:


Anyone in the mood for some Naked pics and cum shots?!

http://www.shemaleyum.com/members/mo...=Kayden+Harley

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Originally Posted by doctor screw

Backshots.........meaning,you bent over or in doggy style position receiving my member.....once again no disrespect(I'll be gentle:creepy old man voice)

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oh... Thanks, but I'll pass. would YOU like to take some backshots?

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Originally Posted by Kayden Harley

oh... Thanks, but I'll pass. would YOU like to take some backshots?

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Can we exchange facial shots?

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Originally Posted by runningdownthatdream

If the girls were really disappointed with the Grooby model, you'd be the head of an army capable of shutting them down. Clearly that's not the case. So one of two things: either Grooby is fair in its dealings or the girls don't know that they can do better. If you really believe they can do better then you should work on showing them how and forget about attacking Grooby. Attacking Grooby leaves you in exactly the position you seem to be in: a shepherd trying to shit in the trough that everyone else is drinking from. You'll never win supporters that way!

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I understand that. I play the long game. Keep your eye on me. There's more to come. ;)

~BB~

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Originally Posted by SirCumsAlot

Can we exchange facial shots?

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How about you start posting facial PHOTOS before you make any requests...
:dancing:

<3

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Originally Posted by runningdownthatdream

So one of two things: either Grooby is fair in its dealings or the girls don't know that they can do better.

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My opinions are considered,
I'm respected,
I'm paid well (especially in comparison to what some other companies offer).

The girls I speak to feel the same way.

Maybe her situation was different, I really do feel for her if it was.

<3

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Originally Posted by Kayden Harley

How about you start posting facial PHOTOS before you make any requests...
:dancing:

<3

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http://www.theginblog.com/wp-content.../crackhead.jpg

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Originally Posted by SirCumsAlot

http://www.theginblog.com/wp-content.../crackhead.jpg

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yummy!!!!! I'd hit that :salad

Seriously, what are you afraid of?

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I understand that. I play the long game. Keep your eye on me. There's more to come. ;)

~BB~

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You're Aquarian...................of course there's a master plan ;)

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Originally Posted by Kayden Harley

oh... Thanks, but I'll pass. would YOU like to take some backshots?

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No thanks,but what a waste of good ass...what a shame,lol

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Originally Posted by Kayden Harley

yummy!!!!! I'd hit that :salad

Seriously, what are you afraid of?

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My career being ruined. You'll have no problem seeing my face if u ever stopped in upstate ny though :whistle:

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Originally Posted by Kayden Harley

Maybe her situation was different, I really do feel for her if it was.

<3

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Thank you. That's very sweet, and perhaps the most understanding comment on the subject I've received so far in over 2 years.

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Originally Posted by runningdownthatdream

You're Aquarian...................of course there's a master plan ;)

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Well, a-duuuuuuuh! :lol:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by SirCumsAlot

My career being ruined. You'll have no problem seeing my face if u ever stopped in upstate ny though :whistle:

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Riiiiiight.. I'm going to go all the way to Upstate, NY to meet someone without knowing what they look like, or whether I'd even find them attractive.

All you had to do was look at my avatar to see what I look like, Why should I have to meet you to see what you look like? No thanks :yayo:


Besides, I don't mess around with closeted guys for free.

:loser:


But for fantasy's sake: (In a Betty Boop voice) Yeah baby I'll go over there and blow a load in your face.