Australia should pull out of Afghanistan

So from your response it is clear you DO approve of the murder of women and children. Bravo. What an admirable character you are brave Russtafa - safe in your chair in Australia miles from the action where the only people of colour you meet are the "abos" who you think off as shit and Muslims who you like to see murdered.

For your info I HAVE been there- in Helmand - as you'd know if you read any of my earlier posts. As an observer and film maker. I met the US and British soldiers who have to face the horror of being there. It's tough shit. That is clear. But that does not justify murder unless, like you, you have Nazi sensibilities or like this guy you crack under the pressure.

Did I demand this man's life? Where did i post that, you totally ill-educated fool. I would guess you quite like the fact that some arabs and jews were slaughtered in france too in the past few days. C'mon now - admit it. Anyone who is not white is sub human to you - clearly.

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So from your response it is clear you DO approve of the murder of women and children. Bravo. What an admirable character you are brave Russtafa - safe in your chair in Australia miles from the action where the only people of colour you meet are the "abos" who you think off as shit and Muslims who you like to see murdered.

For your info I HAVE been there- in Helmand - as you'd know if you read any of my earlier posts. As an observer and film maker. I met the US and British soldiers who have to face the horror of being there. It's tough shit. That is clear. But that does not justify murder unless, like you, you have Nazi sensibilities or like this guy you crack under the pressure.

Did I demand this man's life? Where did i post that, you totally ill-educated fool. I would guess you quite like the fact that some arabs and jews were slaughtered in france too in the past few days. C'mon now - admit it. Anyone who is not white is sub human to you - clearly.

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i would love to put you in his position you sniverling worm and see how you react you crawl into back up your ass where you come from yah gutless wonder expecting other men do what you could never do yah oxygen thief

Russ - there are thousands of brave men and women out there in his position who did not go on the rampage like he did.

Please stop your endless insults. It demeans you. Not me.

you demean these men and women ! twenty muslim lives is not worth one of ours you idiot ,three thousand of their lives is not worth one of ours

you really are pathetic ,i would never trust you as far as i could throw you if you were serving with me you would sell me or any one else out in a heart beat

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you demean these men and women ! twenty muslim lives is not worth one of ours you idiot ,three thousand of their lives is not worth one of ours

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Regarding your capacity for hate, i rest my case.

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you demean these men and women ! twenty muslim lives is not worth one of ours you idiot ,three thousand of their lives is not worth one of ours

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Dude you need to get some help, really.

you people want to turn over this poor individual to these cut throats for the sake of politics and i find it disgusting they would murder the poor man in a heartbeat

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Dude you need to get some help, really.

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you need to get some help if you think handing this poor man who has served four tours of duty over to these murdering savages is the right thing to :screwydo?:screwy:screwy

:fu::fu:you pommies would sell out your country or service men as quick as you could.has pommie land got sharia law yet?gutless wonders

Mr. Bales’s wife, Karilyn, released a statement to The Associated Press on Monday in which she called the March 11 massacre in Afghanistan “a terrible and heartbreaking tragedy.”
“We extend our condolences to all the people of the Panjwai District, our hearts go out to all of them, especially to the parents, brothers, sisters and grandparents of the children who perished,” she said in the statement.

Someone with decency giving voice to lives troubled, lives destroyed.



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/20/us...ockbroker.html

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Mr. Bales’s wife, Karilyn, released a statement to The Associated Press on Monday in which she called the March 11 massacre in Afghanistan “a terrible and heartbreaking tragedy.”
“We extend our condolences to all the people of the Panjwai District, our hearts go out to all of them, especially to the parents, brothers, sisters and grandparents of the children who perished,” she said in the statement.

Someone with decency giving voice to lives troubled, lives destroyed.



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/20/us...ockbroker.html

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nothing like smearing the man before hanging him .before i was sent there i would inform anyone wanting to know that i would kill any muslim i saw:dancing::dancing::dancing::dancing::dancing::d ancing::dancing::dancing:

Russ - Faldur is an American.

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Russ - Faldur is an American.

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should have been one of your lot .when do you know a plane load of poms has landed at Sydney airport? when they turnoff the engines the whining still continues

Discussing the motives of the Afghan shooter:

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/19/disc...ter/singleton/

fucking hell can't have it both ways

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nothing like smearing the man before hanging him .before i was sent there i would inform anyone wanting to know that i would kill any muslim i saw:dancing::dancing::dancing::dancing::dancing::d ancing::dancing::dancing:

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Mr. Bales’s wife, Karilyn, released a statement to The Associated Press on Monday in which she called the March 11 massacre in Afghanistan “a terrible and heartbreaking tragedy.”
“We extend our condolences to all the people of the Panjwai District, our hearts go out to all of them, especially to the parents, brothers, sisters and grandparents of the children who perished,” she said in the statement.

The man's wife has more dignity in the face of death than you do; she lives with honour.

The reluctance of ordinary men to kill can be overcome by intensified training, direct commands from officers, long-range weapons and propaganda that glorifies the soldier's cause and dehumanizes the enemy. "With the proper conditioning and the proper circumstances, it appears that almost anyone can and will kill," Grossman writes. Many soldiers who kill enemies in battle are initially exhilarated, Grossman says, but later they often feel profound revulsion and remorse, which may transmute into post-traumatic stress disorder and other ailments. Indeed, Grossman believes that the troubles experienced by many combat veterans are evidence of a "powerful, innate human resistance toward killing one's own species."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/bl...ill-2010-04-23

god you are a wanker stavros they[our troops] should never been there in the first place the place should have been bug sprayed and forgotten about

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Were you taking your meds when you wrote this?

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god you are a wanker stavros they[our troops] should never been there in the first place the place should have been bug sprayed and forgotten about

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You always duck out of the core issues: I presented you with a quote of deep sympathy for the dead from the wife of the soldier accused of the killings, and you have made a point of ignoring it twice; I have pointed out that even among professional soldiers killing is not as easy as you think and has consequences you dare not think about; then you say Afghanistan should be 'sprayed' when it has been 'sprayed' by bullets since the fall of the monarchy in 1973, and to no great effect -in fact it has made a bad situation worse. So yes, I was also opposed to sending troops there, but once they have been committed, the expectation is that they will abide by the laws of war, and actually do what their NATO mission has sent them to do. Which is not killing the people they are supposed to be helping. Calling me a wanker may be your most articulate response, it adds nothing to the debate on Afghanistan, or Australia's role in the mission.

1our troops should not be there if the first place 2 you cant help people that don't want to be helped their religion wont allow it of infidels3 our peoples lives are worth far too much to be risked helping these creatures as when they, the scum are trained as troops and then shoot our troops in the back 4my heart does go out to the families of our dead soldiers and the pain it does and in this country we have had instances of these filthy muslims contacting the the families and crowing about their deaths of the poor people.5 i think enough is enough and no muslim should be allowed to settle in our countries when all we get in return is terrorism and crime .one instance of a training camp should be enough to spray the lousy place and not think twice about it.oh pip pip old bean=pommie talk

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i think enough is enough and no muslim should be allowed to settle in our countries when all we get in return is terrorism and crime

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Your "thought" fails because the premise is false. We get quite a bit in return from our Muslim citizens. The majority are productive contributors to business, the economy, academia, science, culture and society. They are generally no better citizens nor worse citizens then those from any other societal sector. Perhaps HA should get rid of you, because as far anyone here can tell we get nothing from you but trolling, filth, hatred and calls for violence.

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Your "thought" fails because the premise is false. We get quite a bit in return from our Muslim citizens. The majority are productive contributors to business, the economy, academia, science, culture and society. They are generally no better citizens nor worse citizens then those from any other societal sector. Perhaps HA should get rid of you, because as far anyone here can tell we get nothing from you but trolling, filth, hatred and calls for violence.

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oh baby my cock go's hard when i think of you ,you sweet little possum .let's fuck honey i know you been dreaming of the russ's hard cock.you can tell me how evil i am as i enter your tight little hole=you will love it

Afghanistan massacre: Karzai says US 'not co-operating':

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17405200

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Afghanistan massacre: Karzai says US 'not co-operating':

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17405200

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buy the bastards a goat or little boy and they will be happy

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Your "thought" fails because the premise is false. We get quite a bit in return from our Muslim citizens. The majority are productive contributors to business, the economy, academia, science, culture and society. They are generally no better citizens nor worse citizens then those from any other societal sector. Perhaps HA should get rid of you, because as far anyone here can tell we get nothing from you but trolling, filth, hatred and calls for violence.

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i know you are brighter than this but some times i wonder if you have some abo blood because that's horse shit young lady.i would never fuck a gin

I have a solution to the problem of Afghanistan, nuke them back to the Stone Age! :geek:

Sounds like the Breivik solution to me, and not one that would suit anyone militarily or commercially: the Russians, the Iranians, the Chinese and the Indians have been signing contracts with the government in Kabul to extract Afghanistan's mineral wealth, runs its industries and invest in its future, while NATO fights what to me looks increasingly like a proxy war with Pakistan. Pakistan is as keen to get its hands on the minerals wealth as the others, but doesn't have the corporate clout of its competitors and for various additional reasons (Kashmir, competition with India) is trying to force its way onto the negotiating table via the Taliban. Whether or not the 'ordinary people' of Afghanistan will benefit remains to be seen, but unless you were indulging in some extravagant form of sarcasm Irwin, I think your proposal is daft -who is going to nuke it anyway? And the fall-out?

http://www.ufppc.org/us-a-world-news...contracts.html

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Thought more of you than that, tbh, Irvin.

They didn't invite us in. The Afghans have never invited invasion.

No matter when we do finally leave, the country and its people will be in a worse state than when we went in. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, the alleged targets, were safely ensconced in Pakistan throughout, as allied intelligence knew only too well.

And it was America's bone-headed stance in the 1980's under Reagan's somnolent leadership that actively created and encouraged the Taliban.

Afghanistan is every bit as much the west's fuck-up as it is of their own making.

Afghanistan has been fucked over not just by the West but, before that, by Russia.

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Afghanistan has been fucked over not just by the West but, before that, by Russia.

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And before that, by Britain, and before that, by Russia, and before that, by Britain.....

It's an old song with a sad refrain.

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Thought more of you than that, tbh, Irvin.

They didn't invite us in. The Afghans have never invited invasion.

No matter when we do finally leave, the country and its people will be in a worse state than when we went in. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, the alleged targets, were safely ensconced in Pakistan throughout, as allied intelligence knew only too well.

And it was America's bone-headed stance in the 1980's under Reagan's somnolent leadership that actively created and encouraged the Taliban.

Afghanistan is every bit as much the west's fuck-up as it is of their own making.

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I would amend your post -Mujahideen rather than Taliban: the Reagan presidency's support for General Zia was in part a cold war balancing act to what Washington had seen for years as a pro-Soviet bias in India; the Taliban were nurtured in the madrassas of Pakistan in the mid-1980s during the Soviet occupation when the USA/Saudi partnership was more focused on the Mujahideen rather than the Madrassas -I don't doubt that US dollars sent to Pakistan were used to fund the Madrassas but mostly it was Saudi money, so I don't believe you could argue the Taliban were 'created and encouraged' by Reagan given that they really took off in the 1990s when Reagan was out of office. Benazir Bhutto played a strategic role in the promotion of the Taliban, appointing them security guards for trade convoys in 1994.

Britain now has the problem in the decommissioning of its military apparatus in Afghanistan: Pakistan is the logical route out of the country but is not safe; Uzbekistan is now the favoured route but as head of state Islam Karimov wants a state visit to the UK as a quid pro quo so he can stay at Buckingham Palace -because of its appalling record on human rights, British foreign policy makers are stuck between the two....the other route is through Iran...

As Ron Paul has stated: the Afghanistan war is an "illegal" war, an "immoral" war and an "unconstitutional" war. In other words: it's fully justified -- ha ha! ;)
And now only 30 percent of Americans approve of it. But public opinion doesn't shape public policy. It's called: a democratic deficit.
I think we should re-institute the draft. And that'll end these wars pretty quickly. And if politicians really believe in these wars, well, they should send their own children. (One thing I respect about Sarah Palin: her son served in Iraq.)

Ron Paul 2012 - Afghan Military Will Be Broke By 2014 - YouTube

Ron Paul on Afghanistan, U.S. House Floor, 03/17/11 - YouTube

Interesting read...

Gore Vidal on Tavis Smiley Part 2 - YouTube

To be serious for a while, there is no simple solution to the problems in Afghanistan. The Taliban are strong in some parts of the country and removing them is not easy. Ordinary people have want to do something themselves, unless it becomes difficult to stop them. They must agree among themselves but they do not agree, there are too many different clans and ethnic groups. :geek: