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I don't think there is a girl alive that, in her heart of hearts, doesn't want to be beautiful. You're not going to spend close to 30K (or more) to look "just plain & passable". You're spending all that money because you want to look beautiful.
I think some of the girls that say they just want to be passable already think they are beautiful so that part doesn't concern them as much. But I don't know of anyone who's only goal is to look "eh... so-so."
You are 100 percent correct- every girl wants to be pretty.
And you can be pretty and passable at the same time.
Small towns are freaky that way. I moved to a little town a few years ago that is only two blocks long and within a week I knew who was an alcoholic, who was a drug addict, who was getting divorced and/or sleeping with whom, and how many cats had gotten their jewels lopped off by the ASPCA.Quote:
Originally Posted by McRen
Similarly, I knew a failry stealthy gay family (We're talking gays, lesbians, and liberals, oh my!) that moved into a tiny town in very conservative NH, where Nacky Loeb and the Manchester Union Leader did all but recommend lynching of 'alternative lifestyle' people. Within a short time, though, neighbors told neighbors who told neighbors and they eventually painted their house with stereotypical gayness (Purple shutters and pride flags) and were embraced by the town as the local 'color'. I was actually pretty surprised to see how out they could be, and feeling quite safe about it. And knowing how politically active they are, I'm sure it's not uncommon to see TG people visiting the town on a regular basis, and they (The town) seem to have adjusted rather well (And this is a fair sized New England town with small 'suburbs').
Eventually, a small town is just going to make up who they want you to be, anyway. Might's well let them be moderately accurate about it.
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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC
Co-sign. Agreed.
I come from a small town but I have spent a lot of my life in cities, mostly capitals. The anonymity that city life affords is a double-edged sword. You may be able to move more freely in a large city, but the day you are confronted the same anonymity means you have no protection. In a small town, at first (even if you are reaally really straight) you'll be a weirdo on probation, but soon you'll blend, and then you'll have a space that's allowed to you. Everyone knows who you are and what you are doing, but there is much less chance of casual abuse or violence. Generally speaking even the local head-cases leave you alone. I think it has something to do with the unidentified threat-- no-one who lives in a small town is one of those. They're all identified, right down to second and third cousins.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardedOne
I'm not saying you don't get violence in small towns, you do, but it's different. Between locals it's always because there's previous, sometimes going back decades, and I agree a small town can be a scary place for a weird-looking stranger. Scary, but not necessarily dangerous.
I won't go into detail here but the owner of a well-known business in the town I grew up was a notorious and very obvious gay, and surrounded himself with young gay men all his life. He was a pillar of civic respectability, as was his long-term partner. I know of several gays in the same town now and they are just...accepted. Nobody cares. And it's a pretty ordinary town with a history of fishing and manufacture, not a classy place at all.
I once took a friend who was gender indefinite, shall we say, to a pub in my home town. He (this was a gay man who was particularly non-straight in appearance and camp as fuck) insisted because the place was well known for music. I was frankly terrified at the prospect.....but nothing at all happened. People were looking, but the only comment came from the barman, who said something daft, and my friend turned it into a joke. The only thing I noticed was the six-foot circle of clear space around us, but even that disappeared as the place got busy. Maybe it was because I was there too, but I doubt it.
Course, this is Scotland, where men can walk down the street in kilts and big boots and look (and be) really, really hard. So maybe we're just a bit more relaxed about appearances. But I have experienced the same sort of thing in small towns in other countries too.
I think this is why writers who like working in character so often set stories in small towns.
Personally I think the ceiling is about 35,000 people. Above that and it gets too fragmented. I always think the worst sort of place is the medium-sized dump-- too big to be a small town, too small to be a real city, with no prospect of improvement.
well, from your Avatar Shalaya (and i'm not reading mind u) I can clock you. I dunno if it's your hairline or what but you give me cute chubby face pretty boy tee kinda like my girl LALA from www.TSlala.com
You ARE very pretty but I still see "it".
I don't think any girl (gg or tg) wants to be unattractive per se, but some don't want to stand out as pretty. My wife is a perfect example: all her life, she had hated drawing attention from men (like someone driving past her while she's out for a walk and obviously oogling her, without saying or doing anything untoward otherwise). She never, ever wears makeup--none. In 31 years I've never seen lipstick, gloss, eye shadow, foundation, or anything else touch her skin, nor does she own any. She hates heels and only wears "sensible" shoes. Her one concession to pride of appearance: she has dyed her hair her natural color because she can't stand being grey (and she started greying seriously in her mid-30s) because it makes her look old. But otherwise, she has no interest in being "pretty" and actually distains the attention that it draws (thing is, she is very pretty, naturally--not beautiful, but very cute, and does draw attention). I also have two sisters who very rarely wear any kind of makeup, and like my wife not only don't dress "to kill" but don't even own any outfits which could remotely be called "sexy."Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueBeauty TS
Maybe it's different for TS?
I know a couple of post-op t-women that kinda look dowdy. They're not in deep stealth because quite a few people have known them through their change, but they don't advertise it. They both have regular jobs, one is in a LTR, not sure about the other......But honestly you wouldn't look twice. They just look like ordinary women in their thirties. They dress smart, not glam. They wear flat shoes, "sensible" clothes, and they make up very skilfully, you just don't notice they're wearing any. Very low key. You certainly wouldn't call either of them beautiful, and not even pretty-- more plain, really. They're both very nice and not unattractive or ugly or mannish or anything like that.....Just unremarkable. They have absolutely no trouble passing at all, and one of them told me if she ever does get made, it's by women, not men. Looking at different things, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecstatic
To all the beautiful TS ladies who believe that they are totally unclockable:
Dream on, because the awaking you will receive will probably be a rude one.
Amen :lol:
co- sign but hopefully not too drastic... i think girls in here that claim to never get clocked are lying b/c EVERYONE gets clocked by someone whether it be a man, a woman, a lil kid or another ts... EVERY girl gets clocked doesnt mean it happens all day long everywhere they go but it does and will happen to EVERY girlQuote:
Originally Posted by Danny partridge
You would have to look chewbacca for a little kid to clock somebody!Quote:
Originally Posted by tsntx
yeah right kids CLOCK the fastest
mmm hmm ! i was out on jefferson st. the other night just sitting outside of jules enjoying the cool air with one of my good friends and there was a little girl walking with her mom (mind u at 11 o clock at night down the party street in lafayette ) and she looked at me and gave me the CUTEST little smile and it was like i cut her mommas arm off, and slapped the little bitch with it.her face dropped and just STARED at me, so i second thatQuote:
Originally Posted by tsntx
I have been out to dinner with a TS that was not 100% passable, but I thought she was beautiful and although we was getting looks, It didnt matter because that was to be expected. I knew what to expect so whatever happens, happens.
I don't think Giselle is clockable, and she is very beautiful.
WoW! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brideshead
True that....lol. The second fastest group to clock has gotta be old West Indian ladies esp Jamaican ones . Throw any tgurl in a subway or take them out to Flatbush and see what happens. LOL..HIM A MON YES SISTA.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsntx
I think that it so funny when a tgirl gets clocked but they be phony about it .....Like smile at you and say "Oh HES soo pretty" " you better do it".....That always makes me question the complement? Like why i gotta be a He ? Lol :roll:
Beautiful.... yes, very.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brideshead
Unclockable? NFW.
Explain why you think Giselle is clockable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny partridge
hes just bein a pain
she looks like a woman-PERIOD
listen- if u like transsexuals OBVIOUSLY you are going have the "radar" and be able to clock us. when you talk about being real and passing- it doesnt mean that someone, somewhere will not clock you- or that a tranny chaser won't-
it means that you can function daily in society as a woman. THAT IS IT.
that is what passable means. it does not mean- no one will never be able to tell. it means you can "pass" socially without everyone turning their heads- laughing or pointing or whispering or yelling "that's a man!"
and jennifer is right-
the biggest clockers- IMO
children and black folks-
Why do you think black people can clock better than anyone else? Also, I like transexuals, but does this make me a tranny chaser? Can't I have a preference and not be a chaser?Quote:
Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC
Allanah: where did I say "not passable"?"
I specifically used the word unclockable.
There's a huge dfference.
And that's the point I've been trying to make, and it's an important one, and one which get's people killed. If someone assumes they are unclockable and start acting as if they are, that there's a chance that they will find themselves in situations which at the least may be uncomfortable and may be a hell of a lot worse than merely uncomfortable.
Is it "fair"? Fuck no. But the world isn't a fair place, and tends to punish people who live as if it should be. I hate to see people get hurt because they put themselves into bad situations out of some false sense of.... whatever. And this is rampant in teh TS world. I remember hearing that Codi Ravioli picked up some guy at a place where she should have had the right to assume he knew what the story was, but apperently he didn't and supposedly beat her severely when he found out. And she wasn't any babe in the woods at the time.
My point is simply that I while I think that TS's are beautiful, that too many feel too comfortable that they are not only beautiful, but unclockable, and that having that delusion is a dangerous thing.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Would you explain what the difference is between passable and unclockable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny partridge
Because anyone who has spent a decent amount of time around TS's wouldn't have any problem clocking her. That's not a slam, it's just a fact. As I already said, she's beautiful. But that alone doesn't make her unclockable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brideshead
I understand that you think she is beautiful. That's undeniable, but are you saying that she is clockable to the trained eye?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny partridge
Unclockable - not able to be clocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brideshead
Passable: Able to pass.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/necessary-sufficient/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessa...ent_conditions
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Necessary.html
Danny have you seen her in person? Does she look different in person?
Example:
Here is a photo of a very beautiful TS:
http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/dsc_0665_133.jpg
I'd be curious how many here would be "fooled" and say "That's a GG!!!"? If people don't say that, is the TS unclockable? How could she be?
In person she looks like a very beautiful TS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brideshead
Do you think that is part of their appeal or attraction? They are women, and look like women, but their is something different about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny partridge
Everybody sees TS's for the same reason:
THEIR REASON.
In other words, there is no universal reason and everyone is entitled to their own personal reasons. Are there some guys who that is the reason? I would bet money that the answer is yes. Are there some guys who that isn't the rason? I'd bet money that it's also yes.
Some guys like TS's who are very passable, or they only like TS's who are passable. Some don't (look at a recent thread about masculine looing TS's). And even for passable TS's, there are going to be some guys who like the way one looks and some guys who don't like that same girl. And this isn't just a TS issue. Guys argue about the looks of GG's as well.
Well, I took that pic at Allanah's party and I'd have to agree: she is very beautiful, and very sexy (not the same thing), and I'd say she's passable, but not unclockable. Very few TS that I've seen are unclockable, but many can easily pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny partridge
Do you think that Giselle is unclockable? I know Danny's opinion, and I would like to know yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecstatic
Brideshead I don't think you are getting the point.
And Partridge I know where you are coming from- but a lot of people are dellusional in several ways- and some transsexuals who are not grounded can be dellusional about this- but those of us who are grounded know what we are and our limitations. I don't think it's fair to knock girls down, if some do engage what I would call irresponsible behaviour (trying to fool a guy).
Being clocked or spooke of course is not pleasant- but it's part of this lifestyle. Plus- people have a lot more exposure to transsexual now via the internet, tv, media, etc. So the definition of what is passable and unclockable has definately changed through recent years.
Uh, oh... she's calling me only by my last name.... does that mean I'm in trouble?
no- lol
if u were in trouble you would be calling me Ms. Crabtree and I would be spaking you ;)
I don't think so. She has to call you by first, middle, =and= last name to let you know you're in for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny partridge
Or does that rule only apply to moms? :?:
Would you make it clear to me? What am I not getting?Quote:
Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC