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And not for nothing but if a white man had the same accomplishments as Gates does, he wouldn't be called a public intellectual he would be called a racist, a card carrying member of the White supremacist.
Also if he is such a great professor why was he refused tenure at Yale, that is where he graduated from. Was he difficult or too arrogant for Yale? Or did Yale see him for what he was, a racist time bomb going to explode like he did.
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Originally Posted by freak
Most police officers are not out and out racists but they become confrontational with a black person more quickly than with a white person. That's just they way it is.
Reach your own conclusion about this incident but don't forget that.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_243848.html
Obama agrees with me.
He was playing up the whole "black victim" bullshit! What a piece of garbage he is. From what I read he was forcing himself againt the door, thus looking like a break in. He should have a homeboy break into his house! You think he'd want an officer there as fast as possible? :roll:
So "playing up the black victim bullshit" is a criminal offence? The officer was out of line and unprofessional.
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Originally Posted by trish
hmmm trish u look familiar lol
Uh, never said that Trish. He got taken in because he was acting like a whiney bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Then you must agree the arrest was unjustified.
The officer was a expert trained in diversity training and racial profiling.
If you take the time to actually read the arrest report you will find that Gates was being an asshole.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...092gates2.html
And it sound to me like Gates was/is trying to make this a racial issue when it's not.
If I were Gates I would have been glad someone was looking after his property and trying to help.
Perhaps if Gates' house should ever be really burglarized in the future, I wonder if Police will be so willing to respond.
Of course it was unjustified. Gates was busting their shoes, so he got it right back. He was disorderly, they can do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Gates is putting a racial angle on it, when none existed. He is a piece of garbage. Im sure everyday at Harvard he cries somekind of racism! Its his effing job!
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Originally Posted by Kramer
The problem is its totally within your rights to be a "whiney bitch."
There's no law that says you have to be polite when dealing with the police.
There's a problem, IMHO a big problem, when cops have the power to tase, beat, or arrest anyone who is simply rude to them. Suppose a cop pulled me over for something, found nothing was wrong, and I called him an idiot for it... should that then give the cop in question to tase me, beat me, or throw me in jail on some irrelevant charge? No.
There are polite people in this world, and there are asshats. For better or worse, being an asshat poses only social consequences, not legal ones.
So a black professor was unjustifiably arrested for spouting that whiny old bullshit about racism. Hmmmm, so why was it bullshit?
It's not racism to want to see ID when:
1- Someone reported a break in
2- There is reason to believe a break in occurred (breaking free a jammed door in this case).
The police would have wanted to see ID under identical circumstances if the resident were white.
The unethical act was arresting him when he got rude about the ID request.
But that doesn't make that same act a racist one... its pretty easy to show that there is a massive problem in this country with power hungry cops tasing, beating, and/or arresting ANYONE who either insults them, or isn't polite enough, or doesn't comply fast enough. What evidence is there, besides the fact that the resident is black, that race had anything to do with the arrest?
The more I think about it the more I suspect that Gates looks for these kind situations so as to further his own agenda.
I'm sure he was aware that the police approached him and his house because it appeared to someone that someone was trying to break and enter the property.
So, instead of thanking the officer for looking into a suspicious situation, I bet that Gates decided to act in a way to provoke a situation that he could claim was racially motivated.
You see, I think there was racism that night and it was Gates who acted racially. I believe that if it were a black cop who approached Gates, this would have been a non-issue - but seeing the officer was white, I think he acted in a racially biased manner and acted differently.
You wouldn't have even known about this if it were a whiny, screaming white asshole Professor.
But that just my opinion.
I know two wrongs don t make a right, But what do two Assh#les make. This is not a race Issue its an EGO issue , In one corner Very Smart Professor in other corner Guy With a badge and a gun. usually my money is on the badge and gun. The thing is this I figure the Professor is agitated that previously His home was broken into with No Police, now he is trying to get into his home that was Robbed and the COPS are hassling HIM . I think the two were just frustrated. Both need to go to Maturity Classes, thats All ,Peace
Oh, and Gates was much more than rude. He was screaming and making public scene and following the officer.
NO DOUBT ABOUT IT... Gates' behaviour was planned and purposeful. There was not ONE thing about Crowley's approach or behaviour that could be considered racist.
Please explain, exactly how Gates was hassled?Quote:
Originally Posted by masterR
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...092gates1.html
Crowley acted maturely and was composed. The Professor is the one who should attend a racial tolerance class - perhaps he can learn that not all white people are out to get him.
If the cop leaves the scene without asking for ID and something was actually going on than he would be fired. The cop was doing his job, than gates followed him. Someone said on an earlier post that playing the race card and being an a-hole is not against the law and I agree with that. The cop should have got in the car and let gates run his mouth. He has got to use his judgment, even if gates was white the cop has to know that everyone in that community has connections that will make any simple charges go away.
you might not know who he is but he is world famous
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Originally Posted by JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel
Beagle HASSLED imagine your house or car was broken into Previously and then the police start asking you for ID or asking you any thing while your in your own Property don t you think thats being Hassled?
Yes he is. And it is a real shame that he's getting more well known for something that will reflect negatively on him, instead of something positive and uplifting.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsbrenda
ISSUE IT WAS THE POLICE INSISTENCE THAT GATES STEP OUTSIDE WHICH CAUSED THE ISSUES.
GATES REFUSED TO STEP OUTSIDE AFTER THE OFFICER SEEN THE iD and verified that it was his home. the officer claim that he wanted to make sure no suspects were in the house
Absolutely not.Quote:
Originally Posted by masterR
If I were locked out of my house and the Police came by - I would be upset if they didn't ask me for ID. And I would be really upset if they just took my word that I was the homeowner.
And after I showed the cop the ID and all was settled, I would be tempted to send a thank you card to the cop.
So, no - I don't get your point at all.
We just have different Opinions, See no harm no foul . Peace my brother
Brenda,Quote:
Originally Posted by tsbrenda
That is not what is in the Police Report. Gates was acting up at the very first contact. But even if what you say is correct...
What if there was an intruder already in the house prior to Gates getting home and what if Gates was in danger?
That's a very possible scenario and one that a trained, dedicated cop would be aware of.
I haven't read anything so far to make me believe the cop wasnt anything but professional and polite.
AND...
I have always disagreed with 90 percent of President Obama's policies and politics. But until he weighed in on the Gates issue, I always thought he was above petty nonsense. His comment that the police acted "Stupidly" was way way overboard. He admitted he didn't know the whole story and yet he made a comment that was hurtful and damaging to this cop. Shameful. Obama owes this cop an apology.
This is all a friggin shame. I grew up believing Dr King - not to judge someone by their color but by their character. But now it seems that in the future, if there is ever a disturbance at Gates' property, only a black cop will do.
This ain't the country I envisioned.
by INSIDE EDITION and GATES AND POLICE OFFICER CROWLEY
this is bullshit the police allways tell these perfect stories if you belive them. thats to stop all the lawsuits
you go Brenda
Oh, I get it, from now on we just automatically disbelieve anything the cops have to say, is that it?Quote:
Originally Posted by tsbrenda
Does that apply to all cops? Or just cops of a certain color?
Is there ANY evidence whatsoever that Crowley acted inappropriately? Anything???
Maybe Gates should bring charges against the police force and the cop. That way we could hear his side of the story.
How about that?
on a different note , whats better Tsseduction or transexdomination
refusing to allow crowly to search his house and refusal of the officers to show id and badge # when requested
Where can I find this information?
INSIDE EDITION
I seen the news show and it was explained
but I notice that different media outlets tell a different story
http://insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyId=3182
http://insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyId=3187
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Originally Posted by Beagle
Which in and of itself happens quite frequently. How many tasing videos (Or videos of cops breaking traffic/vehicular law) have we seen online where, on tape, the victim was asking police for names and/or badge #'s only to be tased instead?Quote:
Originally Posted by tsbrenda
The whole "I am the one with the badge & gun, therefore I get to do whatever I want and beat up anyone who dares question me" practice has to go out the window. It's not a race thing, but a civil liberty thing- that kind of behavior is only accepted practice in police states...
On Thursday July 16, 2009, Henry Gates, Jr. - -, of Ware Street, Cambridge, MA) was placed under arrest at Ware Street, after being observed exhibiting loud and tumultuous behavior, in a public place, directed at a uniformed police officer who was present investigating a report of a crime in progress. These actions on the behalf of Gates served no legitimate purpose and caused citizens passing by this location to stop and take notice while appearing surprised and alarmed.
...When I arrived at Ware Street I radioed ECC and asked that they have the caller meet me at the front door to this residence. I was told that the caller was already outside. As I was getting this information, I climbed the porch stairs toward the front door. As [reached the door, a female voice called out to me. I looked in the direction of the voice and observed a white female, later identified {} who was standing on the sidewalk in front of the residence, held a wireless telephone in her hand arid told me that it was she who called. She went on to tell me that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the porch of• Ware Street. She told me that her suspicions were aroused when she observed one of the men wedging his shoulder into the door as if he was trying to force entry. Since I was the only police officer on location and had my back to the front door as I spoke with her, I asked that she wait for other responding officers while I investigated further.
As I turned and faced the door, I could see an older black male standing in the foyer of {} Ware Street. I made this observation through the glass paned front door. As I stood in plain view of this man, later identified as Gates, I asked if he would step out onto the porch and speak with me. He replied “no I will not”. He then demanded to know who I was. I told him that I was “Sgt. Crowley from the Cambridge Police” and that I was “investigating a report of a break in progress” at the residence. While I was making this statement, Gates opened the front door and exclaimed “why, because I’m a black man in America?”. I then asked Gates if there was anyone else in the residence. While yelling, he told me that it was none of my business and accused me of being a racist police officer. I assured Gates that I was responding to a citizen’s call to the Cambridge Police and that the caller was outside as we spoke. Gates seemed to ignore me and picked up a cordless telephone and dialed an unknown telephone number. As he did so, I radioed on channel I that I was off in the residence with someone who appeared to be a resident but very uncooperative. I then overheard Gates asking the person on the other end of his telephone call to “get the chief’ and “whats the chiefs name?’. Gates was telling the person on the other end of the call that he was dealing with a racist police officer in his home. Gates then turned to me and told me that I had no idea who I was “messing” with and that I had not heard the last of it. While I was led to believe that Gates was lawfully in the residence, I was quite surprised and confused with the behavior he exhibited toward me. I asked Gates to provide me with photo identification so that I could verify that he resided at Ware Street and so that I could radio my findings to ECC. Gates initially refused, demanding that I show him identification but then did supply me with a Harvard University identification card. Upon learning that Gates was affiliated with Harvard, I radioed and requested the presence of the Harvard University Police.
With the Harvard University identification in hand, I radioed my findings to ECC on channel two and prepared to leave. Gates again asked for my name which I began to provide. Gates began to yell over my spoken words by accusing me of being a racist police officer and leveling threats that he wasn’t someone to mess with. At some point during this exchange, I became aware that Off. Carlos Figueroa was standing behind me. When Gates asked a third time for my name, I explained to him that I had provided it at his request two separate times. Gates continued to yell at me. I told Gates that I was leaving his residence and that if he had any other questions regarding the matter, I would speak with him outside of the residence.
As I began walking through the foyer toward the front door, I could hear Gates agai,n demanding my name. I again told Gates that I would speak with him outside. My reason for wanting to leave the residence was that Gates was yelling very loud and the acoustics of the kitchen and foyer were making it difficult for me to transmit pertinent information to ECC or other responding units. His reply was “ya, I’ll speak with your mama outside”. When I left the residence, I noted that there were several Cambridge and Harvard University police officers assembled on the sidewalk in front of the residence. Additionally, the caller, md at least seven unidentified passers-by were looking in the direction of Gates, who had followed me outside of the residence.
As I descended the stairs to the sidewalk, Gates continued to yell at me, accusing me of racial bias and continued to tell me that I had not heard the last of him. Due to the tumultuous manner Gates had exhibited in his residence as well as his continued tumultuous behavior outside the residence, in view of the public, I warned Gates that he was becoming disorderly. Gates ignored my warning and continued to yell, which drew the attention of both the police officers and citizens, who appeared surprised and alarmed by Gates’s outburst. For a second time I warned Gates to calm down while I withdrew my department issued handcuffs from their carrying case. Gates again ignored my warning and continued to yell at me. It was at this time that I informed Gates that he was under arrest. I then stepped up the stairs, onto the porch and attempted to place handcuffs on Gates. Gates initially resisted my attempt to handcuff him, yelling that he was “disabled” and would fall without his cane. After the handcuffs were property applied, Gates complained that they were too tight. I ordered Off. Ivey, who was among the responding officers, to handcuff Gates with his arms in front of him for his comfort while I secured a cane for Gates from within the residence. I then asked Gates if he would like an officer to take possession of his house key and secure his front door, which he left wide open. Gates told me that the door was un securable due to a previous break attempt at the residence. Shortly thereafter, a Harvard University maintenance person arrived on scene and appeared familiar with Gates. I asked Gates if he was comfortable with this Harvard University maintenance person securing his residence. He told me that he was.
"This is what happens to a black man in america"
"you don't know who your messing with"
on the phone "get the chief,whats the chief's name"
When the officer asks gates to step outside gates to speak with him, he replied with "i'll speak with your momma outside"
LOL, this guy is a arrogant jerk.If any of you think that you can say that stuff to any cop and not get arrested you have no idea how the real world works.
Clearly the cop just got tired of it and had two options, simply leave, or arrest him on some irrelevant charge. Probably because of how TO'd the cop was, he went with the later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend
I'd agree with you that "that's how the real world works," yelling at cops never gets you anywhere and usually does the opposite... BUT, that doesn't mean the police have a right to beat, tase, or arrest people simply for pissing them off.
If someone walked up to me, insulted me, and I reacted by impulsively tasing them or beating them with a stick, that would be called battery. Simply having a shield doesn't entitle you to man handle people who offend you.
The "disorderly" behavior of the professor was because of law enforcement's presence. Their job was done as soon as they saw it was a false alarm, if they had simply left- the neighborhood would have gone back to normal (after all, without law enforcement there would be no one there for him to yell at!).
Ah, SarahG, your comments are always a breath of fresh air.
The policeman could have walked away, but Gates had pushed him too far. The arrest charge was weak. Gates was not arrested for being black, he was arrested for being an asshole.
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Originally Posted by SarahG
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Originally Posted by SarahG
I agree with you they don't have a right to do any of that and a person shouldn't be arrested for acting like a arrogant jerk but i know how things work and i take it you do to sarah.Gates should have complied with them and just stfu.
Always? Oh come on now, let's be realistic LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2009AD
I have a (bad) habit of getting carried away in social-political arguments.
Getting back ot, this story, just sucks.
I really have a hard time seeing why all the fuss over a cop wanting to see ID when there had been a break in reported. What was the officer REALLY supposed to do here, just say "I don't have any reason to believe you,but I'll just take your word at you saying you live here and leave now. Sorry for the inconvenience." :roll:
That said;
The officer didn't get him to go outside because of the acoustics of the room, he was just baiting the professor into going outside so the officer would have a reason to arrest him (this is part of their training as a tactic to use in domestic disturbances btw).