Homophobia and hypocrisy on hungangels

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Originally Posted by tslvrnyc

I'm amazed at the depths to which people go to convince themselves they're "100% straight" when clearly they're not.

"I didn't touch the penis, it's not gay"

If I give my friend a handjob while wearing thick wool gloves, is it gay? I was just helping the poor undersexed guy out, I never actually touched it.

If anal penetration makes one gay, what if a man is fucked by a hot GG wearing a strap-on?

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Not to mention...if you give your friend a handjob with thick woollen gloves, is he having sex with sheep???

Or getting your GG to wear a strapon, that's just weird!

The way I see it, these guys who throw out the anti gay, anti CD/TV comments are completely in denial about their own gay feelings and therefore set up this paragon of a perfect shemale (who must be completely feminine in every aspect but one) in order to justify and excuse their own liking for cock.

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Originally Posted by MariaTgirl

The way I see it, these guys who throw out the anti gay, anti CD/TV comments are completely in denial about their own gay feelings and therefore set up this paragon of a perfect shemale (who must be completely feminine in every aspect but one) in order to justify and excuse their own liking for cock.

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If that was the case then are TS just a subset of the gay community. I don't think so, in my opinion, that is. Transwomen are just women who just happened to be born in the wrong body. I think a lot of people make the misconception that if a guy likes a TS and her cock then he must be gay, because he likes cock. Could it be that he is just attractive to the girl and cock was just something extra. It's like being at McDonalds and ordering a Big Mac and small fries, but when the order comes the cashier gives you a Big Mac and large fries. It was just something extra that came along with it. I bet a lot transwomen don't see themselves as part of the gay community, so why does that make the guys who like them to be gay?

I don't understand the gay comments and hypocrisy that goes along with this board, but that's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by RubyTS

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Originally Posted by tsntx

that sounds really gay

just saying ;)

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and THAT IS OKAYYYYYY ! 8)

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totally

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Originally Posted by MacShreach

So when I see men who are homosexual but too spineless to admit it (as if there was something wrong with it) and who abuse transsexual women to gratify their homosexual lust, I speak up.

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I think someone needs to look in the mirror!!!

Seems to me like you spent alot of time researching homosexuality to try and convince yourself that your not.

I hate to say it, but TG’s are members of the gay, lesbian and transgender community. We endeavor to mold our bodies into the form of our self image and we succeed with varying success. But no matter how complete our transition, none of us can embark on any serious and honest relationship without informing our suitors of our special journey. Only at such a time when these confessions are regarded as mundane and inconsequential, will we be truly integrated into society; and until that time we will be part of the gender community which the society at large perceives of as different and estranged. So long as guys love us for the remnants of our former secondary sexual characteristics, we have not reached that time in future history. In the meantime, however, I’m willing to have fun with what we got. If you want to make love to my dick, I’m down with that. If you don’t want to touch it, I’m down with that too. Let’s just agree to fuck the norms and do with each other whatever feels good.

as far as two horny people are gettin' it on, who cares about gender ?

I think this calls for an PSA from 2 of our favorite 80s stars.

http://www.verge.ca/hoff.jpg

As I contemplate these questions from my darkened closet, I begin to focus more on the questions than the answers. It seems to me that it keeps coming back to the same question over & over again. The question is:

What are you?

It's not "Who are you?". That question would imply a tacit admission that there's something beyond the what. There is, isn't there? This constant catagorizing, shifting boundaries & all, comes from everywhere in the sexual sphere. Looks like lots of folks have strong opinions about "what" somebody else is, while vehemently denying that the same criteria apply to them. Not always though. There's also lots of folks who camp in one of the categories they've made up, & vehemently defend their boundaries. And of course there's lots of folks who either try to blur the boundaries of "what" or reject them altogether. Personally, I lean toward that last one, even though the arguments over the boundaries of "what" are very entertaining. I think "what" is a false dichotomy, & there's 6 billion odd dirrerent answers to "who".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7RbZNT5A2A

The bottom ne is if you like transsexuals then you're gay, it's hard to admit it but that's the truth, shemales are not women, period.

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Originally Posted by tracy

The bottom ne is if you like transsexuals then you're gay, it's hard to admit it but that's the truth, shemales are not women, period.

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I posted that picture because it was funny (c'mon...the Hoff and Coleman). But the truth is.. WHO GIVES A FUCK

People. Quit yer bitchin and get fucking. No labels, move on.

you like women great
you like guys great
you like tgirls great
you like women with 3rd nipples.....welll that's just sick.

But geezus people. The "am I gay", "you're a faggot" whining is really getting old. If someone calls you a faggot because you were bottomed and you took offence to that, just ask yourself one question "Did I like it?" If the answer is yes, then do it again!

Look in the end we're on this rock once. Get it wherever and however you can.

Soapbox speech done.

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Originally Posted by jaycanuck

you like women with 3rd nipples.....welll that's just sick.

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Dammit, you Canadians are just so judgemental! 8)

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Originally Posted by Jericho

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Originally Posted by jaycanuck

you like women with 3rd nipples.....welll that's just sick.

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Dammit, you Canadians are just so judgemental! 8)

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Look Jericho. There is a limit. :P

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Originally Posted by jaycanuck

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Originally Posted by Jericho

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Originally Posted by jaycanuck

you like women with 3rd nipples.....welll that's just sick.

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Dammit, you Canadians are just so judgemental! 8)

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Look Jericho. There is a limit. :P

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Hey, every since "Total Recall"........ :lol:

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Originally Posted by sissyrachel

I’ve been around on this forum for quite a while but rarely see the need to post very much except for using the stories section as an opportunity to get people to read my work. Anyway, I’ve decided to break that habit to raise a point that has begun to get on my nerves a little on reading the threads on this board, namely the shocking levels of casual (and sometimes quite insistent) homophobia present among quite a lot of posters, even extending to one user recently describing how he has hurt gay people in the past while at the same time pursuing his interested in transsexuals.

The LGBT community has always been a sprawling mass of disparate identities and viewpoints and yet, still, I have always found it slightly surprising that the different branches of this so-called “community” have been so willing to adopt a confrontational stand point towards others. In particular, this applies to transgender people who are often viewed by homosexuals with suspicion and antagonism and react similarly in response. While it is important to recognise that homosexuality and transgender are not one and the same thing, that a transwoman is not at all the same as a gay man, these two minority groups, often viewed as unnatural by mainstream society, have a lot to gain from adopting a conciliatory standpoint towards each other. Notably, there is an unnecessary level of antagonism between the men who are attracted to transwomen and men who are attracted to other men.

On these boards, this translates as a world of “straight” men who lust after transsexual women denigrating anything they deem to be “gay” as if this was somehow a terrible thing, a disturbing abnormality that no normal man would want to be associated with. There are so many threads of men worried that liking transsexuals means they are gay. The issue here, as I see it, is not whether these guys are gay (there’s as much difference in desires and kinks within these guys as any other, none are at least 100% straight but certainly for some a lust for transsexuals indicates more of a gay side than it does for others), but why these guys consider being gay to be such an objectionable thing that the very thought that they themselves could be gay could stand in the way of their happiness and pleasure. There is an odd notion that those guys who lust after transsexuals but consider themselves “straight” are somehow better than those whose transsexual desires are more gay (partly but not totally linked to the idea that to be a “top” is more straight than to be a gay bottom). How can the one possibly be morally superior to the other?

As for me, I will happily admit to having both my straight side and my gay side, if you’re into labels I’m happy to call myself bisexual. I am a man in a long term relationship with a straight genetic girl, but I do not feel my gay thoughts or fantasies make me somehow any worse than a totally straight guy (obviously they would if I ever acted on these fantasies and cheated on my girl, but that would be equally true of a straight guy who sometimes fantasises about women other than his girlfriend). Anyone who has read my stories will know that I have a load of rather kinky fantasies but I don’t feel this should impact on how I treat real people, whether in person or online. I like to crossdress, but I do so for sexual pleasure, this does not make me the same thing as a genuine transwoman, who feels herself to be an actual woman even if born in a male body and therefore dresses and acts as a woman as her whole life not just sexually. Neither, however, do I feel this means I am less of a person or more worthy of abuse than a transwoman.

I guess this thread is a case in point - http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=18584 (This “club kid” would make the perfect t-girl). In this thread pictures are posted of a variety of crossdressers, emo kids, feminine twinks and all sorts else, basically anyone who looks feminine but isn’t undergoing any actual gender reassignment transition. Some of these guys and girls are hot, some of them really aren’t, that’s not the point. The point is that, worryingly, both the fans and haters of this thread rapidly adopt a disturbingly homophobic position. While the haters seem keen to put down anything they don’t like as “gay” and therefore instantly wrong, the fans are no better, worried and paranoid that their desire for femme bois and crossdressed sissies is somehow gay and wrong. Guess what, it is gay! But that can’t make it any more “wrong” than anything else.

I guess that all I’m asking is that people adopt a more tolerant stance towards other people’s desires and fetishes. A straight man is no better than a gay man, a transwoman no worse than one. If you’re not into something, there’s no reason aggressively to strike out at those who are. Everybody is different, what harm can there be in saying love and let love?

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This occurs and will continue to occur because the transsexual genre is basically 3 niches, 2 of them diametrically opposed, forced to live together.
It's The Real World of porn.

You have the guys who want to be fucked by TS, want to see other men get fucked by TS etc. and they apparently make up a slim majority of the people interested in the genre. You have the folks who are interested in fucking TS, or at least seeing someone else fuck a TS. Finally you have the CD types, who are kind of imo, autosexual. I think they just get off on themselves. Obviously there are people who float among the different factions, but that's the simple way of looking at it.

I really can't think of any other genre in straight porn where you are FORCED to see things that repulse or distract to the point of skipping over most of a scene. Imagine something you truly DON'T want to see in a porn, and that's what happens quite a bit to the folks in the MonTS faction. I'm sure it's the same way for the folks who are into TSonM, where they get a film and the dudes ends up fucking the tgirls the whole time.<-----Not like this is very common, but just to be fair.

I think as more and more "straight" men start to make their way into the Shemale/Ladyboy genre, you'll see the factions diverge I think. Hopefully there will be a critical mass of guys who want to see Dude fucking Shemale and the genres can just break apart. Obviously there are all sorts of combinations, but the M/TS dynamic makes up the largest.

Hopefully things can end like the porn version of Czechoslovakia and not like Yugoslavia lol.

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Originally Posted by jaycanuck

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Originally Posted by tracy

The bottom ne is if you like transsexuals then you're gay, it's hard to admit it but that's the truth, shemales are not women, period.

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I posted that picture because it was funny (c'mon...the Hoff and Coleman). But the truth is.. WHO GIVES A FUCK

People. Quit yer bitchin and get fucking. No labels, move on.

you like women great
you like guys great
you like tgirls great
you like women with 3rd nipples.....welll that's just sick.

But geezus people. The "am I gay", "you're a faggot" whining is really getting old. If someone calls you a faggot because you were bottomed and you took offence to that, just ask yourself one question "Did I like it?" If the answer is yes, then do it again!

Look in the end we're on this rock once. Get it wherever and however you can.

Soapbox speech done.

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I approve this post 8)

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This occurs and will continue to occur because the transsexual genre is basically 3 niches...

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Aaaah, there's those niches again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y6IC9ecRIo&NR=1

lol @ the "Faggotry Portal"

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Portal:Faggotry

This pic............ LOL

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Ima...hohatefags.jpg

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Originally Posted by hippifried

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This occurs and will continue to occur because the transsexual genre is basically 3 niches...

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Aaaah, there's those niches again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y6IC9ecRIo&NR=1

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You disagree?

this will go on 4 the end of time. everyone has their opinion and everyone strongly sticks by it. The truth is, no one else can determine someone's sexual orientation but themselves, so quit looking in dictionaries and science reports because the answer to whether you're gay or straight ONLY YOU CAN ANSWER.

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Originally Posted by RubyTS

this will go on 4 the end of time. everyone has their opinion and everyone strongly sticks by it. The truth is, no one else can determine someone's sexual orientation but themselves, so quit looking in dictionaries and science reports because the answer to whether you're gay or straight ONLY YOU CAN ANSWER.

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+1

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Originally Posted by sissyrachel

I’ve been around on this forum for quite a while but rarely see the need to post very much except for using the stories section as an opportunity to get people to read my work. Anyway, I’ve decided to break that habit to raise a point that has begun to get on my nerves a little on reading the threads on this board, namely the shocking levels of casual (and sometimes quite insistent) homophobia present among quite a lot of posters, even extending to one user recently describing how he has hurt gay people in the past while at the same time pursuing his interested in transsexuals.

The LGBT community has always been a sprawling mass of disparate identities and viewpoints and yet, still, I have always found it slightly surprising that the different branches of this so-called “community” have been so willing to adopt a confrontational stand point towards others. In particular, this applies to transgender people who are often viewed by homosexuals with suspicion and antagonism and react similarly in response. While it is important to recognise that homosexuality and transgender are not one and the same thing, that a transwoman is not at all the same as a gay man, these two minority groups, often viewed as unnatural by mainstream society, have a lot to gain from adopting a conciliatory standpoint towards each other. Notably, there is an unnecessary level of antagonism between the men who are attracted to transwomen and men who are attracted to other men.

On these boards, this translates as a world of “straight” men who lust after transsexual women denigrating anything they deem to be “gay” as if this was somehow a terrible thing, a disturbing abnormality that no normal man would want to be associated with. There are so many threads of men worried that liking transsexuals means they are gay. The issue here, as I see it, is not whether these guys are gay (there’s as much difference in desires and kinks within these guys as any other, none are at least 100% straight but certainly for some a lust for transsexuals indicates more of a gay side than it does for others), but why these guys consider being gay to be such an objectionable thing that the very thought that they themselves could be gay could stand in the way of their happiness and pleasure. There is an odd notion that those guys who lust after transsexuals but consider themselves “straight” are somehow better than those whose transsexual desires are more gay (partly but not totally linked to the idea that to be a “top” is more straight than to be a gay bottom). How can the one possibly be morally superior to the other?

As for me, I will happily admit to having both my straight side and my gay side, if you’re into labels I’m happy to call myself bisexual. I am a man in a long term relationship with a straight genetic girl, but I do not feel my gay thoughts or fantasies make me somehow any worse than a totally straight guy (obviously they would if I ever acted on these fantasies and cheated on my girl, but that would be equally true of a straight guy who sometimes fantasises about women other than his girlfriend). Anyone who has read my stories will know that I have a load of rather kinky fantasies but I don’t feel this should impact on how I treat real people, whether in person or online. I like to crossdress, but I do so for sexual pleasure, this does not make me the same thing as a genuine transwoman, who feels herself to be an actual woman even if born in a male body and therefore dresses and acts as a woman as her whole life not just sexually. Neither, however, do I feel this means I am less of a person or more worthy of abuse than a transwoman.

I guess this thread is a case in point - http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=18584 (This “club kid” would make the perfect t-girl). In this thread pictures are posted of a variety of crossdressers, emo kids, feminine twinks and all sorts else, basically anyone who looks feminine but isn’t undergoing any actual gender reassignment transition. Some of these guys and girls are hot, some of them really aren’t, that’s not the point. The point is that, worryingly, both the fans and haters of this thread rapidly adopt a disturbingly homophobic position. While the haters seem keen to put down anything they don’t like as “gay” and therefore instantly wrong, the fans are no better, worried and paranoid that their desire for femme bois and crossdressed sissies is somehow gay and wrong. Guess what, it is gay! But that can’t make it any more “wrong” than anything else.

I guess that all I’m asking is that people adopt a more tolerant stance towards other people’s desires and fetishes. A straight man is no better than a gay man, a transwoman no worse than one. If you’re not into something, there’s no reason aggressively to strike out at those who are. Everybody is different, what harm can there be in saying love and let love?

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except the last part where you ask people to be more tolerant on the internet. Yeah, that's going to happen

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Originally Posted by lorddigitalhighfixer

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Originally Posted by sissyrachel

I’ve been around on this forum for quite a while but rarely see the need to post very much except for using the stories section as an opportunity to get people to read my work. Anyway, I’ve decided to break that habit to raise a point that has begun to get on my nerves a little on reading the threads on this board, namely the shocking levels of casual (and sometimes quite insistent) homophobia present among quite a lot of posters, even extending to one user recently describing how he has hurt gay people in the past while at the same time pursuing his interested in transsexuals.

The LGBT community has always been a sprawling mass of disparate identities and viewpoints and yet, still, I have always found it slightly surprising that the different branches of this so-called “community” have been so willing to adopt a confrontational stand point towards others. In particular, this applies to transgender people who are often viewed by homosexuals with suspicion and antagonism and react similarly in response. While it is important to recognise that homosexuality and transgender are not one and the same thing, that a transwoman is not at all the same as a gay man, these two minority groups, often viewed as unnatural by mainstream society, have a lot to gain from adopting a conciliatory standpoint towards each other. Notably, there is an unnecessary level of antagonism between the men who are attracted to transwomen and men who are attracted to other men.

On these boards, this translates as a world of “straight” men who lust after transsexual women denigrating anything they deem to be “gay” as if this was somehow a terrible thing, a disturbing abnormality that no normal man would want to be associated with. There are so many threads of men worried that liking transsexuals means they are gay. The issue here, as I see it, is not whether these guys are gay (there’s as much difference in desires and kinks within these guys as any other, none are at least 100% straight but certainly for some a lust for transsexuals indicates more of a gay side than it does for others), but why these guys consider being gay to be such an objectionable thing that the very thought that they themselves could be gay could stand in the way of their happiness and pleasure. There is an odd notion that those guys who lust after transsexuals but consider themselves “straight” are somehow better than those whose transsexual desires are more gay (partly but not totally linked to the idea that to be a “top” is more straight than to be a gay bottom). How can the one possibly be morally superior to the other?

As for me, I will happily admit to having both my straight side and my gay side, if you’re into labels I’m happy to call myself bisexual. I am a man in a long term relationship with a straight genetic girl, but I do not feel my gay thoughts or fantasies make me somehow any worse than a totally straight guy (obviously they would if I ever acted on these fantasies and cheated on my girl, but that would be equally true of a straight guy who sometimes fantasises about women other than his girlfriend). Anyone who has read my stories will know that I have a load of rather kinky fantasies but I don’t feel this should impact on how I treat real people, whether in person or online. I like to crossdress, but I do so for sexual pleasure, this does not make me the same thing as a genuine transwoman, who feels herself to be an actual woman even if born in a male body and therefore dresses and acts as a woman as her whole life not just sexually. Neither, however, do I feel this means I am less of a person or more worthy of abuse than a transwoman.

I guess this thread is a case in point - http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=18584 (This “club kid” would make the perfect t-girl). In this thread pictures are posted of a variety of crossdressers, emo kids, feminine twinks and all sorts else, basically anyone who looks feminine but isn’t undergoing any actual gender reassignment transition. Some of these guys and girls are hot, some of them really aren’t, that’s not the point. The point is that, worryingly, both the fans and haters of this thread rapidly adopt a disturbingly homophobic position. While the haters seem keen to put down anything they don’t like as “gay” and therefore instantly wrong, the fans are no better, worried and paranoid that their desire for femme bois and crossdressed sissies is somehow gay and wrong. Guess what, it is gay! But that can’t make it any more “wrong” than anything else.

I guess that all I’m asking is that people adopt a more tolerant stance towards other people’s desires and fetishes. A straight man is no better than a gay man, a transwoman no worse than one. If you’re not into something, there’s no reason aggressively to strike out at those who are. Everybody is different, what harm can there be in saying love and let love?

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except the last part where you ask people to be more tolerant on the internet. Yeah, that's going to happen

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Agree with the sentiment here. But sadly I read most of the text.

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Originally Posted by jaycanuck

I think this calls for an PSA from 2 of our favorite 80s stars.

http://www.verge.ca/hoff.jpg

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But if you're NOT gay, or something in between, that's OK too!!!

The way I look at it is that none of us here are straight or completely gay.

Think about it. There are so many different body types, skin color, hair color that turns people on whether in the hetero world or the gay world. Some guys like skinny chicks, others like fat chicks. Some guys prefer blondes and some guys prefer brunettes. Just because the like something different they are still straight.

Now for guys that would be considered homosexual the same rules apply...they are not going to go for any swinging dick. Take me for example. I for one like twinks, smoothies, and shemales. Bears and muscle guys turn me off big time. Would never think of having sex with them.

So I think it is time for us all to accept that we are not straight guys that like a girl with something extra, but homosexual men that prefer their lovers to look like women.

If the person has a penis and you have a penis and you engage in sex, then by definition it is homosexual. Don't worry fellas it doesn't make you any less of a man.

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Originally Posted by callahac

The way I look at it is that none of us here are straight or completely gay.

Think about it. There are so many different body types, skin color, hair color that turns people on whether in the hetero world or the gay world. Some guys like skinny chicks, others like fat chicks. Some guys prefer blondes and some guys prefer brunettes. Just because the like something different they are still straight.

Now for guys that would be considered homosexual the same rules apply...they are not going to go for any swinging dick. Take me for example. I for one like twinks, smoothies, and shemales. Bears and muscle guys turn me off big time. Would never think of having sex with them.

So I think it is time for us all to accept that we are not straight guys that like a girl with something extra, but homosexual men that prefer their lovers to look like women.

If the person has a penis and you have a penis and you engage in sex, then by definition it is homosexual. Don't worry fellas it doesn't make you any less of a man.

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Im on long island! :moon

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The way I look at it is that none of us here are straight or completely gay.

Think about it. There are so many different body types, skin color, hair color that turns people on whether in the hetero world or the gay world. Some guys like skinny chicks, others like fat chicks. Some guys prefer blondes and some guys prefer brunettes. Just because the like something different they are still straight.

Now for guys that would be considered homosexual the same rules apply...they are not going to go for any swinging dick. Take me for example. I for one like twinks, smoothies, and shemales. Bears and muscle guys turn me off big time. Would never think of having sex with them.

So I think it is time for us all to accept that we are not straight guys that like a girl with something extra, but homosexual men that prefer their lovers to look like women.

If the person has a penis and you have a penis and you engage in sex, then by definition it is homosexual. Don't worry fellas it doesn't make you any less of a man.

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Im on long island! :moon

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that's why you didn't hear me laugh, your not in Yonkers!!! lol

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Originally Posted by callahac

The way I look at it is that none of us here are straight or completely gay.

Think about it. There are so many different body types, skin color, hair color that turns people on whether in the hetero world or the gay world. Some guys like skinny chicks, others like fat chicks. Some guys prefer blondes and some guys prefer brunettes. Just because the like something different they are still straight.

Now for guys that would be considered homosexual the same rules apply...they are not going to go for any swinging dick. Take me for example. I for one like twinks, smoothies, and shemales. Bears and muscle guys turn me off big time. Would never think of having sex with them.

So I think it is time for us all to accept that we are not straight guys that like a girl with something extra, but homosexual men that prefer their lovers to look like women.

If the person has a penis and you have a penis and you engage in sex, then by definition it is homosexual. Don't worry fellas it doesn't make you any less of a man.

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Im on long island! :moon

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that's why you didn't hear me laugh, your not in Yonkers!!! lol

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youll get ur turn when i get those pics lol. i'll b home on the 1st (rent day ughz!)

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Originally Posted by callahac

The way I look at it is that none of us here are straight or completely gay.

Think about it. There are so many different body types, skin color, hair color that turns people on whether in the hetero world or the gay world. Some guys like skinny chicks, others like fat chicks. Some guys prefer blondes and some guys prefer brunettes. Just because the like something different they are still straight.

Now for guys that would be considered homosexual the same rules apply...they are not going to go for any swinging dick. Take me for example. I for one like twinks, smoothies, and shemales. Bears and muscle guys turn me off big time. Would never think of having sex with them.

So I think it is time for us all to accept that we are not straight guys that like a girl with something extra, but homosexual men that prefer their lovers to look like women.

If the person has a penis and you have a penis and you engage in sex, then by definition it is homosexual. Don't worry fellas it doesn't make you any less of a man.

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Im on long island! :moon

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that's why you didn't hear me laugh, your not in Yonkers!!! lol

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youll get ur turn when i get those pics lol. i'll b home on the 1st (rent day ughz!)

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lmao, aight i gotcha 8)

Personally for myself, I have never been with a man, or transgender, only gg's. I have never participated in any form of touching sucking etc. Nor am I willing to participate in anal sex, not even with gg's, but I still will spend 90% of surfing porn on tgirl sights, as a matter of fact, I might go to gg sites maybe 6 to 7 times a year. Am I afraid if someone calls me gay?? NO. But I definitely don't consider myself a homosexual male.

There are millions of women who view "lesbian"porn vids and mags, hell gg's in public will comment on another woman ass, squeeze her tits, hold hands, kiss and dance with another gg. And they are still considered straight.

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Am I afraid if someone calls me gay?? NO.

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Originally Posted by sissyrachel

I’ve been around on this forum for quite a while but rarely see the need to post very much except for using the stories section as an opportunity to get people to read my work. Anyway, I’ve decided to break that habit to raise a point that has begun to get on my nerves a little on reading the threads on this board, namely the shocking levels of casual (and sometimes quite insistent) homophobia present among quite a lot of posters, even extending to one user recently describing how he has hurt gay people in the past while at the same time pursuing his interested in transsexuals.

The LGBT community has always been a sprawling mass of disparate identities and viewpoints and yet, still, I have always found it slightly surprising that the different branches of this so-called “community” have been so willing to adopt a confrontational stand point towards others. In particular, this applies to transgender people who are often viewed by homosexuals with suspicion and antagonism and react similarly in response. While it is important to recognise that homosexuality and transgender are not one and the same thing, that a transwoman is not at all the same as a gay man, these two minority groups, often viewed as unnatural by mainstream society, have a lot to gain from adopting a conciliatory standpoint towards each other. Notably, there is an unnecessary level of antagonism between the men who are attracted to transwomen and men who are attracted to other men.

On these boards, this translates as a world of “straight” men who lust after transsexual women denigrating anything they deem to be “gay” as if this was somehow a terrible thing, a disturbing abnormality that no normal man would want to be associated with. There are so many threads of men worried that liking transsexuals means they are gay. The issue here, as I see it, is not whether these guys are gay (there’s as much difference in desires and kinks within these guys as any other, none are at least 100% straight but certainly for some a lust for transsexuals indicates more of a gay side than it does for others), but why these guys consider being gay to be such an objectionable thing that the very thought that they themselves could be gay could stand in the way of their happiness and pleasure. There is an odd notion that those guys who lust after transsexuals but consider themselves “straight” are somehow better than those whose transsexual desires are more gay (partly but not totally linked to the idea that to be a “top” is more straight than to be a gay bottom). How can the one possibly be morally superior to the other?

As for me, I will happily admit to having both my straight side and my gay side, if you’re into labels I’m happy to call myself bisexual. I am a man in a long term relationship with a straight genetic girl, but I do not feel my gay thoughts or fantasies make me somehow any worse than a totally straight guy (obviously they would if I ever acted on these fantasies and cheated on my girl, but that would be equally true of a straight guy who sometimes fantasises about women other than his girlfriend). Anyone who has read my stories will know that I have a load of rather kinky fantasies but I don’t feel this should impact on how I treat real people, whether in person or online. I like to crossdress, but I do so for sexual pleasure, this does not make me the same thing as a genuine transwoman, who feels herself to be an actual woman even if born in a male body and therefore dresses and acts as a woman as her whole life not just sexually. Neither, however, do I feel this means I am less of a person or more worthy of abuse than a transwoman.

I guess this thread is a case in point - http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=18584 (This “club kid” would make the perfect t-girl). In this thread pictures are posted of a variety of crossdressers, emo kids, feminine twinks and all sorts else, basically anyone who looks feminine but isn’t undergoing any actual gender reassignment transition. Some of these guys and girls are hot, some of them really aren’t, that’s not the point. The point is that, worryingly, both the fans and haters of this thread rapidly adopt a disturbingly homophobic position. While the haters seem keen to put down anything they don’t like as “gay” and therefore instantly wrong, the fans are no better, worried and paranoid that their desire for femme bois and crossdressed sissies is somehow gay and wrong. Guess what, it is gay! But that can’t make it any more “wrong” than anything else.

I guess that all I’m asking is that people adopt a more tolerant stance towards other people’s desires and fetishes. A straight man is no better than a gay man, a transwoman no worse than one. If you’re not into something, there’s no reason aggressively to strike out at those who are. Everybody is different, what harm can there be in saying love and let love?

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There is a point to this story.

Rod & Ross were gay lovers, odd mix. One was tall and skinny, the other short and skinny. They had a house and play space on West Belmont, a few blocks west of Halsted, North side of the street. First floor was living space, 2nd floor and basement were bdsm/play spaces.

R & R hosted the Eulinspiegle (spelling) Society. It was a monthly pansexual meeting, that was for the most part exceptionally well attended by the straight bdsm community. It was a Pansexual event (for those newbians means it is open to gays, straights, transexuals). The people invited were that if you have two legs, and some functioning cell matter, you were invited.

I was as virgin as a virgin could be with regard to bdsm, the smell of leather, the handling of leather implements, a whip, crop, suction tube, the lust created in your loins by just looking at serious bdsm equipment and the sexual excitement could be smelled in each breath you took; at the meetings although people were fully clothed, you could smell the sex in the air.

Exploring with my sexuality, R & R just loved me. Again, I was a young buff Stud, well built tall and virginal for their uses. AIDS had not been a name plate at this time.

R & R after the meeting would give tours of their play space. Ok I am game. Down in the basement were lockers, jail cells, enema stations, X frame, much more. One of the devises I was intrigued by. It was a set of high top boots, bolted to a 2x6 with a eye hook on the opposite side of the boots. If your feet were laced in the boots, which were anchored to the 2x6, you couldnt stand because of the eye bolt. I had interest in this devise.

The then President of the Hell Fire club offered to "lace me in." Ok I try most anything, no really, I try most anything! I placed my feet in to the boots, the boots were laced up, halfway to my calf. Sitting on the ground he asked I raise my feet.

Now some description on this guy. I was a bit younger then, 6'2' 240LBS, 48" chest. 32" waist, fair amount of muscle. This guy was about 6'4" well built, broad chest, 52", powerful muscles, dressed in leather pants, combat boots, black sleeveless shirt with a leather vest with a bald head a a leather cap. You could physical see his bulging biceps.

So now, I am on the floor looking up at this guy, I suddenly realize that I cant get up and run, my feet are laced in the boots anchored to the 2x6, I am thinking what the fuck did I get myself into? Yes suddenly I get 2nd thoughts but think, ok there are tons of other people here. If anything happens, all I have to do is cry out....mommie come help me! I am sure tons of people would have come to watch me get face fucked.

By this time, a few other "boys" are interest in my predicament, they, yes now they, it has become sort of a party, raise my boot laced feet and hook the eye bolt into a hoist. They press a button, my feet are raised and eventually I am off the floor upside down. Ok, this is cool. The Pres keeps raising me until my eyes, upside down eyes are at their cock level.

Then el Presidento says to me, they do this to their newbies in the club. It is an initiation where by the person strapped in the boots get to service members until they are dry, in other words serious, very serious face fucking. They showed me that they could spin the victim. Oh Boy what fun!

Now really, I love sex and yes I have experimented with men, women, ts, most everything (no kids) that is legal, that could walk, and some in a wheel chair (consensual only) but had that been a group of Ts, I would have licked each and every one of them dry, until they couldn't come any more, then I would have asked for a fresh group!

Its not to say I have not experimented with men. I have, admittedly I want, enjoy Ts Cock!

I know there are a number of threads dealing with am I gay or not sucking a cock. Does it make a difference if it is a man's cock or Ts cock or cross dresser cock that sucking or getting fucked by one of them makes me gay and the others not.

I think it is all about preference. I like nylons, breast, corset on the cock that I suck or get fucked by. :wink:

Very interesting story ChicagoTbone. I liked it.

I'm a homophobe lol most homo-sapiens annoy me!

fuckin ell.. ive walked into a right puff convention 'ere...

go on then, let me toke on the pink pipe of ruth and Madam Palm and her 5 lovely daughters will help me knock one out

I wholeheartedly agree with this post!

A spin that I have noticed with the haters playing "label games" Saying things like "you are not a real TGirl you are just a faggot in a dress".

I thought that "TGirl" was a phrase *invented* to be non confrontational and generic - yet I see people on this board berating one another over what makes for a "real" TGirl and who has the "right" to call themselves a "TGirl" and who doesn't. I also see a number of people here who claim to basically know what are appropriate sexual tastes for *everyone* in the TG world and then try to enforce their standards of sexual taste on all of us. Typically, the "appropriate" standard is someone who is "passable" or "in transition" or has had surgery - something relatively hard core.

But the world has an infinite variety of tastes and no one has the right to define what is appropriate as far as taste goes. Some people might prefer a fem man, some a man dressed, others might prefer something completely feminine except that there is a penis between the legs.

To me "Hung Angels" implies some sort of a feminine presentation but with a dick. From there people should be allowed to be creative.

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Originally Posted by Tgirlhottie

I wholeheartedly agree with this post!

A spin that I have noticed with the haters playing "label games" Saying things like "you are not a real TGirl you are just a faggot in a dress".

I thought that "TGirl" was a phrase *invented* to be non confrontational and generic - yet I see people on this board berating one another over what makes for a "real" TGirl and who has the "right" to call themselves a "TGirl" and who doesn't. I also see a number of people here who claim to basically know what are appropriate sexual tastes for *everyone* in the TG world and then try to enforce their standards of sexual taste on all of us. Typically, the "appropriate" standard is someone who is "passable" or "in transition" or has had surgery - something relatively hard core.

But the world has an infinite variety of tastes and no one has the right to define what is appropriate as far as taste goes. Some people might prefer a fem man, some a man dressed, others might prefer something completely feminine except that there is a penis between the legs.

To me "Hung Angels" implies some sort of a feminine presentation but with a dick. From there people should be allowed to be creative.

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As long as no one is hurting anyone else, and sex is between consenting adults, I couldn't care less.

Being a TS is not necessarily a beauty contest. It has a lot more to do with making the choice and commitment to be yourself, regardless of how convenient that choice may or may not be.

Crossdressers are fine by me. I just can't relate to the ones who do it for masturbation purposes only. A man who jerks off in diapers is not a baby. I have no problem approaching a person with severe mental disabilities like a child, but I'm not baby-sitting some lonely truck driver with a bib and a raging hard-on. That is, unless he can afford my rates. ;)

Also, when a crossdresser has little or no regard for being passable (not shaving, not tucking in public, etc), they're being offensive to ALL women (including M2F TS) imo. If other people aren't offended, more power to them, but please don't tell me that I have to share that sentiment. There's a time and place for everything.

I love you sissyrachel. And I respect your point of view. I'm sorry you've been offended by the comments some members on this forum post. I wish there was more tolerance in this world for us all. I support your stance on this.

Bitterly, though, I have learnt that this is internet. It is anarchy to the nth degree. There are all points of view about transgender people on this forum. And people entering into this area of sexuality are at all different stages in their life journey. A lot of rookies, and even some of the veterans are growing in their perspectives on all kinds of issues.

Sometimes, this forum is a safe place to "vent", or to hypothesize. It is safer to post stupid thoughts here than to try them out on real people that you know in real life. This is not real life. Its internet.

Just an hour ago I posted on a thread ranting about lip collagen surgery. Afterwards, I realised that some of my comments might be taken as hurtful since the thread OP named names and focussed on one particular recipient of lip collagen enhancement. (Sorry, Kimber.)

In some ways I regret posting that comment. But next time I may think twice before saying something just because it is my opinion. Hopefully we all learn a little and grow as people through this forum experience.

PS: thanks for the link to your stories in literotica. I like that site and will check them out.

hypocrite's are here!

beware!