the truth about sao paulo and its all a rip off full of scum

I have a slight point of contention to make with "JustATransGirl" and "TSTX".

They automatically make this notion that to even going to Mexico for sex when there plenty of providers right here in the "Good Ole US of A" is foolish, silly and desperate and don't forget CHEAP!

Then we have all this BULLSHIT about certain women won't do Black Men, Bald Men, Old Men, closeted Gay Men whatever, putting all these personal stipulations on a transaction that is only about the sexual act and not the rest of it that's basically unimportant.

The fact remains that even in other "Wealth Nations" that P4P sex is CHEAPER and BETTER 9 times out of ten for the "John"/"Trick" than in America. Hell Canada is a better bargain than any other city in America and the chances of you getting caught up in Vice dragnet is slim to none.

I believe there are MANY advantages to visiting Asia or South America OVER using services in America it doesn't matter if your talking about Tran gendered or Strictly Hereto activities.

Will and Praetor provide excellent information about the areas in which they live. Will doesn't live in Sampa but has been there several times.

MikeTaylor -

Lastly being an uniformed Caucasian American running around in a largely dark colored country without any contacts on the ground is just ASKING FOR TROUBLE or to put more bluntly FOR SHIT TO HAPPEN to you.

There is nothing special about "Ghettos" around the world, its pretty much all the same; little hope, much despair and quite of bit of crime. But that does not mean there aren't honest people not interested in taking advantage of you and would help you only if you asked and didn't ASSUME the worst.

I rather be in a Brasilan Favela than with a bunch of Rednecks in the Ozarks....

I have a slight point of contention to make with "JustATransGirl" and "TSTX".

They automatically make this notion that to even going to Mexico for sex when there plenty of providers right here in the "Good Ole US of A" is foolish, silly and desperate and don't forget CHEAP!

Then we have all this BULLSHIT about certain women won't do Black Men, Bald Men, Old Men, closeted Gay Men whatever, putting all these personal stipulations on a transaction that is only about the sexual act and not the rest of it that's basically unimportant.

The fact remains that even in other "Wealth Nations" that P4P sex is CHEAPER and BETTER 9 times out of ten for the "John"/"Trick" than in America. Hell Canada is a better bargain than any other city in America and the chances of you getting caught up in Vice dragnet is slim to none.

I believe there are MANY advantages to visiting Asia or South America OVER using services in America it doesn't matter if your talking about Tran gendered or Strictly Hereto activities.

Will and Praetor provide excellent information about the areas in which they live. Will doesn't live in Sampa but has been there several times.

MikeTaylor -

Lastly being an uniformed Caucasian American running around in a largely dark colored country without any contacts on the ground is just ASKING FOR TROUBLE or to put more bluntly FOR SHIT TO HAPPEN to you.

There is nothing special about "Ghettos" around the world, its pretty much all the same; little hope, much despair and quite of bit of crime. But that does not mean there aren't honest people not interested in taking advantage of you and would help you only if you asked and didn't ASSUME the worst.

I rather be in a Brasilan Favela than with a bunch of Rednecks in the Ozarks....

um dunno what all that is to mean but for the most part i think you are saying that im saying guys should see girls only in the states to avoid trash or other scum... right?

i didnt.

i said the same trash that you can find there you can find here

if a guy had 3k to spend i think he would have gotten a much better experience in a country w/ a girl that fluently speaks his language

he went in hopes of exploiting and in return was exploited.... as someone said already

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praetor yes most ob brazil is a favela,but you are telling me i should have looked into more information about going?? what more was i meant to do i used the best internet sites,malicia,chantily and banana,wrote down the numbers how am i meant to know they are all wrong,then went to the streets where they walk it was so dirty i did not want to stay..went to sao paulo where most of the girls are living so what did i do that was wrong??

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I´m pretty amazed!!!!

Most of Brazil is favela? Do you have any percentage on that? Any reliable research? Or that´s your own research, based in your lack of interest on anything, except for T-gilrs. Please, educate me! Or maybe you were using the wrong eye, fella.

As you are such a connoiseur of Brazil, its living habits and peope, then you must be familiar that we use the expression "olho do cu", which means one´s ass eye. Perhaps that was the eye you used to write such an amount of bullshit.

Sorry to say that, but you are the worst type of tourist. Fortunately you are not the average tourist we get down here.

About the pics on Praetor posts, except for the favelas, that you find at most of mega cities around the world, which means cities with more than 10 million inhabitants (São Paulo is 22 million), the pics show many of the places you may find streetwalkers in Rio.

By the way, where are you from? I hardly believe you may be American, as sometimes your typing is hard to understand.

Next time, please, go visit some other place. São Paulo is not a city for amateurs.

After seeing City of God, I would think twice of going to Brazil. I wouldn't feel safe it all especially if I would go with a lot of money.

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Will doesn't live in Sampa but has been there several times.

I rather be in a Brasilan Favela than with a bunch of Rednecks in the Ozarks....

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As a matter of fact, dj4monie I´m a São Paulo native, born and raised, and go there every so often.

As I know the whereabouts in town, I never had problems, even at the "scum" neighborhood of Elenice Bar (at the corner of Rua Rego Freitas and Major Sertório) mentioned by the one that started this thread. I sometimes show up at 2:00 AM for a beer and a snack. Never got robbed or harassed by anybody. Police is all over the place and in general the criminals stay away.

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solicate a hooker what are some of you people talking about,i went to brazil to buy a fighting school as i am a fighter i took 20 numbers of girls to spend my time with,as for getting ripped off that never hapened as for being in danger on the street that did not happen i can take care of myself well...the point i was trying to make was that the sites advertising these girls and louis site are a waste of time..they look glamorous but its all a show..i did not go to brazil just to fuck its something i wanted to do on the side,but the quality was not there..and mr who is talking about 20 million people living in sao paulo,i am happy for them but i am not a tourist..

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After seeing City of God, I would think twice of going to Brazil. I wouldn't feel safe it all especially if I would go with a lot of money.

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My fellow Dinand, City of God is in the outskirts of Rio de Janeiro. There is a huge difference between the two cities, due to geography and other social and anthropological reasons.

In São Paulo, the topography is flatter and the poorer areas are far from the center. In Rio, as shown by Praetor, due to the mountains surrounding the beach area, you have the richer and the poorer living quite close.

Here are some views from São Paulo where you can see the difference.

By the way, the second pic is very close to the "scum" neighborhood of the Elenice Bar related by the starter of this thread.

regards

Perhaps a few good rules of thumb for travelling are;
1) It ain't the USA, so expect everything to be different
2) Learn to speak the language, or at least enough to get by. Why should they have to learn your language? You're in their country!
3) Yes, it will probably be more dangerous than suburban USA, so don't wear or take anything more than you can lose including money, wallet, watch, jewllery, ID
4) Don't expect anything more than what you see in front of your eyes.

praetor and Will,

I love the pictures you posted of your beautiful and intense cities; they remind me of a New York City that is now gone.

Sao Paulo and Rio have energy, flow and reality: they are great cities.

It's not the dirt on the streets but dirt in the hearts of people that make a city a dump; in that sense NYC has become a *rich dump.*

And did anyone notice the picture in which one of the "slum" girls has a perfect ass? 8)

As someone said, when you go to a foreign place, make sure you're going to spend a good part of that 3k on someone who knows the ropes and can take you around. Only yourself to blame.

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um dunno what all that is to mean but for the most part i think you are saying that im saying guys should see girls only in the states to avoid trash or other scum... right?

i didnt.

i said the same trash that you can find there you can find here

if a guy had 3k to spend i think he would have gotten a much better experience in a country w/ a girl that fluently speaks his language

he went in hopes of exploiting and in return was exploited.... as someone said already

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I agree with you 100% and sorry if took your comments out of context.

I will be making my way down to Brazil after Carnival. If I can come up with some more cash, I'll do Argentina as well.

There are many people in Rio or Sampa (especially Rio) that visit the country on a regular basis, I would seek out information from the sites that provide it, use Google.

The information is very up-to-date and though its mostly for those looking for Hereto Adult Activities, as far as hotels, nightclubs and places to eat or get information is super useful.

Will has been more than nice enough to provide me with some additional information and joining the forum he suggested is very valuable.

My experiences in Europe have been as smooth as glass and I don't expect it to be worst because its South America, frankly there are too many Gringos to have it all go wrong in these places.

After Sao Paulo you aint gonna wanna go to Argentina, just learn basic Portugese and you will be fine. Also IMHO Rio is the best next to Porto Alegre just my opinion, I prefer the beach scene over large metropolitan cities. Plus the carioca's (people from Rio) are more laid back.

Obrigado Brasil :D

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I have a slight point of contention to make with "JustATransGirl" and "TSTX".

They automatically make this notion that to even going to Mexico for sex when there plenty of providers right here in the "Good Ole US of A" is foolish, silly and desperate and don't forget CHEAP!

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WHAT? You DARE to QUESTION ME?

LOL :-)

If you would please go back and re-read my post on page 2, I didn't say anything about Mexico. I simply rephrased the OP's post with the comment that it could be any city in the world.

Now as for that naughty fag loving t-girl "tsntx," I don't know about 3rd world, but I'm sure she would show you an "out of this world experience," and if you take a look at her Eros ad you will see she is far from CHEAP! :-) :-)

But - since you brought it up...

I admit that other than the adventure factor I don't understand why guys would go to Mexico. They run a high risk of getting jacked up by the police, possibly kidnapped by god knows who, and where the girls work on about a 20 minute cycle for $60 - and bubba will toss your ass out if you can't finish in time and don't feed the meter. LOL

I think a nice, quality girl in the States, who has a nice, clean, safe place and provides a full hour or more of GFE for $150-500 is generally a far better recreational experience than catching crabs (or worse) in some flea bag hovel in Tijuana's Coahuila district.

And if you add it up... $60x 2 girls + drinks x 4 @ $6.00 each + taxi @ $10 + parking @ $10 + dinner @ $10.00 + gas @ $40 = $214.00 so it really isn't any cheaper than your local Eros girl.

As for the gent who went to Brazil... $3000 + $1,000 air + $1,000 expenses (minimum) = $5,000. For that I'd be willing to bet you could hook up anywhere in the USA at least 20 times.

Giggles,
TS Jamie :-)

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I have a slight point of contention to make with "JustATransGirl" and "TSTX".

They automatically make this notion that to even going to Mexico for sex when there plenty of providers right here in the "Good Ole US of A" is foolish, silly and desperate and don't forget CHEAP!

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WHAT? You DARE to QUESTION ME?

LOL :-)

If you would please go back and re-read my post on page 2, I didn't say anything about Mexico. I simply rephrased the OP's post with the comment that it could be any city in the world.

Now as for that naughty fag loving t-girl "tsntx," I don't know about 3rd world, but I'm sure she would show you an "out of this world experience," and if you take a look at her Eros ad you will see she is far from CHEAP! :-) :-)

But - since you brought it up...

Heck you can get $25 Mexican (or probably even Brazilian) street ho's in Los Angeles or any US city.

But I admit that other than the adventure factor I don't understand why guys would go to Mexico. They run a high risk of getting jacked up by the police, possibly kidnapped by god knows who, and where the girls work on about a 20 minute cycle for $60 - and bubba will toss your ass out if you can't finish in time and don't feed the meter. LOL

I think a nice, quality girl in the States, who has a nice, clean, safe place and provides a full hour or more of GFE for $150-500 is generally a far better recreational experience than catching crabs (or worse) in some flea bag hovel in Tijuana's Coahuila district.

And if you add it up... $60x 2 girls + drinks x 4 @ $6.00 each + taxi @ $10 + parking @ $10 + dinner @ $10.00 + gas @ $40 = $214.00 so it really isn't any cheaper than your local Eros girl.

As for the gent who went to Brazil... $3000 + $1,000 air + $1,000 expenses (minimum) = $5,000. For that I'd be willing to bet you could hook up anywhere in the USA at least 20 times.

Giggles,
TS Jamie :-)

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Another reason why I picked to go to Indonesia.
Plane ticket-1000USD (round trip) spent 3 days in Japan did shrooms :D will never do again.
1 month at hotel-(2000)USD in Jakarta
you can get hookers for cheap as shit.
100 USD=1 million ruphia
A Average persons pay in Indonesia is I believe 100-300 thousand Ruphia a month.
For younger workers such as students about 30-50 thousand per month.
Hopefully I can go again in 2010. Only problems i have with the country is: selling LEADED fuel by the LITER,traffic and health care.

This is an interesting thread but I wish only people with interest traveling to brasil or board members would have replied. its obvious the starter of this thread was not happy with his trip so I think its definitely a wake up call and reminder to future travelers of Sao Paulo that you must do thourough research before you go there and learn the language. I made it down to Rio in 2004 and not everything went the way I expected it but it was a great learning experience. I hope the thread starter does not give up on brasil but instead get more info before going.

addicted,yes i wish too only people who are interested in going to sao paulo would get involved in this..the point still is all of the research is that you use the internet sites malicia,chantil,and banana trans..you call them and get them to your motel..now the problem what i am saying is that all these numbers are wrong..then you have the street side which i found to be to dirty and cheap it was 20 dollars to fuck,which tells you the quality of people in the area..

For every one story like this there are hundreds of others that were totally satisfied. I have never been to Brazil but in Thailand u can have an amazing time for very little. For 3 or 4 one hour sessions with a decent looking girl in the states or aus and you already have your ticket to Thailand. Makes no sense to me why guys waste there money in the western world when your cash can go so much further elsewhere. You can find girls that look just as good and better, speak english. Where to start? google "The Ladyboy Forums" Stogie has a great forum here which has years worth of posts and alot of experience to get you through all the newbie mistakes people make on these kind of trips. Practice safe sex and then your in no more danger then u are with some ripoff tgirl in your own country.

I've been to Sao Paolo 3 times and Rio once. To be honest, I would not have felt comfortable there if I didn't have my Brazilian friend / photographer as a guide. Unless you speak Portuguese, it can be difficult there.

There is always the mystique about exotic foreign places. I've heard so many people say the trannies are hotter there or ask me if that's true. My answer is SP is like anywhere else. You have your pretty girls and your not pretty girls. That being said, some of the hottest transsexuals I've met were there. Most of those I did shoots with were nice too. But again, like anywhere else you have your nice girls and your bitches.

The street situation is a little different. Here in LA, girls working the street are more likely to be druggies and druggies are more likely to have STDs. I don't know if that applies to other major US cities. That's not a 100% rule of course, but my observations over the years have shown that to be a general rule.

In Brazil prostitution is legal and due to the socioeconomic situation there, a lot more of the girls work the streets - even the real nice ones that don't have drug problems.

But you do have many more to choose from than Los Angeles. I was amazed at the shear number of good looking transsexuals in SP. But I was there to do photoshoots. I wouldn't really want to be there solely for the purpose of getting laid. But I have friends that go there just for that.

I found Thailand to be a much more comfortable place to meet TSs. I felt comfortable enough in Bangkok to go out on my own without fear of being mugged. The language barrier isn't nearly as much of a problem either as most Thais speak some English.

In Brazil, my friend, hotel employees, even some of the girls told me to not walk the streets in downtown SP at night by myself because I'd probably get mugged. Hell, I wouldn't walk around downtown LA late at night by myself either.

I'm sorry you had a bad time there, but am not surprised.

My photographer has guided some of my website members over the years when they visited there. I don't know that is full time job allows for that anymore though.

I understand you, it's very frustrating when you schedule a trip and everything bad happens, but you could not schedule a trip to any country before you query about the places you intend to go, to avoid, finally these things.

I allways jut out, you can see in my posts, the dangers to visit Rio de Janeiro, without knowing the places that should be avoided, i always alert about to take care to visit some places in Rio, specially at night, dark streets, some quarters, police officers and more.

You can't curtail you search in advertisement's sites, that's the reason i tell you to register in Forum Damazo, to ask help to the guys there.
Woefully, your trip was too frustating, happens.

Next time you should plan more carefully your trip to Brazil or another country, you must know the country's law, what can and what can not do, these things.

As i said, Brazil is a big country with a big contradiction, poors and richs people living in the same quarter, you can see many abandoned childrens on the streets, some petty thief, but dangerous if you do not watch out.

Many other tourists, visiting Rio de Janeiro or São Paulo, had no problems, the trip was good and they enjoy the cities and probably, enjoy some brazilian tgirls.

Fact is, Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo are very dangerous cities for foreigners who don't know, especially to venture into such places alone, without a friend or tourism agent.

So i hope you will be happy in you next trip to Brazil or to another country in the world.

My bests regards from Rio.

Umm call me crazy but if you ask me your priority for traveling to Brasil is kinda messed up. You were in one of the most beautiful countries in the world, and it seems the only reason you went was for prostitutes? What about Iguazu Falls, Rio, Ipanema Beach on the weekends, go to Buzios, Itaparica, Salvador, Cabo Frio, The Amazon!!. I was lucky enough to see a Whale and its calf swim by on Ipanema Beach, never forget it. So I think if your priority would have been to see the amazing places of Brasil, and then secondly the ladies of the night, you may have had a better time. Thats just me though. Im sure the Cariocas can tell you all the secrets to have a much better time.

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Oh btw, I was kind of sad that my favorite tgirl pornstar Patricia Bysmark is being called fat and hairy. Does anyone have a recent picture of her how she looks now?

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Oh btw, I was kind of sad that my favorite tgirl pornstar Patricia Bysmark is being called fat and hairy. Does anyone have a recent picture of her how she looks now?

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Yes, she is overweight, she's won adipose tissue lat year.

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Umm call me crazy but if you ask me your priority for traveling to Brasil is kinda messed up. You were in one of the most beautiful countries in the world, and it seems the only reason you went was for prostitutes? What about Iguazu Falls, Rio, Ipanema Beach on the weekends, go to Buzios, Itaparica, Salvador, Cabo Frio, The Amazon!!. I was lucky enough to see a Whale and its calf swim by on Ipanema Beach, never forget it. So I think if your priority would have been to see the amazing places of Brasil, and then secondly the ladies of the night, you may have had a better time. Thats just me though. Im sure the Cariocas can tell you all the secrets to have a much better time.

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I'm very happy and proud to know you enjoy your trip to Brazil.
My best regards from Rio.

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Umm call me crazy but if you ask me your priority for traveling to Brasil is kinda messed up. You were in one of the most beautiful countries in the world, and it seems the only reason you went was for prostitutes? What about Iguazu Falls, Rio, Ipanema Beach on the weekends, go to Buzios, Itaparica, Salvador, Cabo Frio, The Amazon!!. I was lucky enough to see a Whale and its calf swim by on Ipanema Beach, never forget it. So I think if your priority would have been to see the amazing places of Brasil, and then secondly the ladies of the night, you may have had a better time. Thats just me though. Im sure the Cariocas can tell you all the secrets to have a much better time.

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I'm very happy and proud to know you enjoy your trip to Brazil.
My best regards from Rio.

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Thank you, yes Ive been twice and love it. Both times me and my family stayed in Rio then traveled around a little. Someday Ill by some beach front and build a home there. =)

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why dont you give it a rest with city of god already.

mike, sorry but getting a few numbers from sites is not enough research. if you would have done enough research you would not have been on the streets looking for travestis.

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just got back from sao paulo you guys need to read this because we are thinking its heaven when its hell..so before i went i used the malicia, chantily and banana trans sites wrote down 20 names and numbers yes 20 so in sao paulo i check into the fanous opium motel and start calling.. from 20 numbers only 4.. were working,none of the girls who are the main stars on brazilian transexuals had correct numbers all those websites show beautiful pictures but the numbers are all fake its all a show..from the 5 had patricia bysmark oh my god when she turned up was fat when she got undressed was so hairy everywhere i told her to keep the money as i had to leave..renata araju again beautiful in pictures looked horrible in real!! saw anna livia who was the only nice one..then you can go to the streets at night the area is full of drug dealers and crack heads full of scum then you have the girls who charge 50 reais, thats around 25 dollars i mean if they dont have hiv god knows what else they might have..all the girls look like they are jacked up on drugs..the whole trans scene in sao paulo is dirty its dangerous and the girls just want to rip you off they also dont look close to as good as they do in pictures..the other 2 girls i saw kept on trying to get more money from me saying for taxi each way and all sorts of rubbish..its a dirty scene!!

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Sorry to hear about this happening to you. But as others have said, you didnt do enough research. Dude, in ANY major city where you find lots of working tgirls, you will find the crime, drugs, filth, and scum. You will also find the false advertising. What you found there is definetly here also. Same shit. You even have to do research here in the states to ensure an enjoyable experience. But you fell for all the airbrushed pics and watched a few too many brazilian tgirl porn vids. Look, when you go out to eat, and you see pics of entrees in the window of the restaurant, do you really think the dinner will look exactly the same as the pic? And if they look a lot worse than their pics, you have a choice. You dont have to pay them a fucking dime and you dont have to stay. I've read here about the Elenice Bar, and how its a good place to get info on the best girls in Brazil. You obviously didnt read that. I hope you learned from this.

I've traveled extensively in Brazil (and throughout the world) and it is one of the dicier places I've been. In fact, Brazil and the Philippines are where I've felt the least safe (and only in Brazil have the police pointed a gun to my head) - but that's because I was going into areas where foreigners shouldn't have been.

I've been to the Favela da Rocinha in Rio de Janeiro and frankly, it wasn't as bad as expected. On the North Shore of Hawaii we have people living in tents on the beaches, there are parts of Los Angeles (or most major US cities where I would feel just an unsafe).

I have had a brilliant time in Brazil over the last 10 yrs including visiting the countryside, the coastal cities and the Amazon. The girls are awesome although without a guidance of my Brazilian friends I wouldn't want to try it alone.

Those of you having a go at the poster for "traveling to a 3rd world country to visit prostitutes" are fucking unreal. First of all, Brazil is certainly not 3rd world and you need to look at your own countries poverty levels and literacy before commenting on others. Prostitution is legal - and from what I've heard about tgirl escorts in the USA and their so called "GFE", I can't see myself dropping $500+ on them when the service in Brazil is probably better, certainly cheaper and just as safe.

Don't go to any city unprepared. I think the original poster had a rough time but I can't imagine going to Sao Paolo and expecting to just find or call the girls based on some internet numbers. If that is the vacation you want, go to Thailand.

I tend to agree with Angel17TS: you visit a place to have a lovely vacation and enjoy the sights, the culture, the food, etc. If an opportunity to meet a beautiful TS presents itself, fine; otherwise it doesn't matter too much, the main thing is the vacation. Relax and enjoy. Let the vacation come to you.

I would expect it to be very difficult to meet TSs in Brazil if I didn't know some Portuguese or Spanish, or didn't have a local contact. That was very good advice that various forum members gave.

I have dreamed of visiting Brazil for a long time, but I have too many obligations, and therefore I content myself with enjoying it vicariously through pictures on Seanchai's and other's web sites, and through the fascinating stories. Another general point I've found is that "fantasy is usually far better than reality" when it comes to these things -- though there have been rare exceptions. :D

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I've traveled extensively in Brazil (and throughout the world) and it is one of the dicier places I've been. In fact, Brazil and the Philippines are where I've felt the least safe (and only in Brazil have the police pointed a gun to my head) - but that's because I was going into areas where foreigners shouldn't have been.

I've been to the Favela da Rocinha in Rio de Janeiro and frankly, it wasn't as bad as expected. On the North Shore of Hawaii we have people living in tents on the beaches, there are parts of Los Angeles (or most major US cities where I would feel just an unsafe).

I have had a brilliant time in Brazil over the last 10 yrs including visiting the countryside, the coastal cities and the Amazon. The girls are awesome although without a guidance of my Brazilian friends I wouldn't want to try it alone.

Those of you having a go at the poster for "traveling to a 3rd world country to visit prostitutes" are fucking unreal. First of all, Brazil is certainly not 3rd world and you need to look at your own countries poverty levels and literacy before commenting on others. Prostitution is legal - and from what I've heard about tgirl escorts in the USA and their so called "GFE", I can't see myself dropping $500+ on them when the service in Brazil is probably better, certainly cheaper and just as safe.

Don't go to any city unprepared. I think the original poster had a rough time but I can't imagine going to Sao Paolo and expecting to just find or call the girls based on some internet numbers. If that is the vacation you want, go to Thailand.

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Exactly I dont see the problem living out your fantisies going to brasil for girls. This is not the globe trekker or national geographic board this is a sex site so i dont see how anyone even on this board can talk trash about mike. Give the poster credit for even going to sao paulo and sharing the experience with the board. I am very disapointed with the members of this board for these comments.

wasn't there some kind of agency that catered to out of towners......kind of like a middle man to make all of your plans happen....

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Yeah Wood there was. Some dude used to post here named Mambo. He offered those kind of services. But a certain memeber here kept giving him a hard time about advertising that here. I guess he got tired of being called an international trannie pimp. lol

I've never been to Brazil, but I think the OP was pretty naive and/or delusional. The picture that is painted of Brazil seems to be fairly spot on.
Don't know what he was looking at to think it was this paradise where he could go without a care in the world and just screw every tgirl he ever dreamed of. Most people know Brazil is dangerous. Most people know they don't speak English. Most people know dealing with prostitutes is a crap shoot. AND if he would look closer at his porn(or buy a color tv) he'd know alot of girls in Brazil don't shave... And they walk around barefooted... And live in questionable quarters etc. His expectations were unreasonable.

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praetor are those pictures meant to mean something,please dont make me laugh do you want to show how the majority of brazil live,do you want to show how dirty and violent the place is and how uneducated the people are..out of every 1000 people 1 will speak english..out of 1000 people 1 went to school!!

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Can't figure out whether you a complete troll and bullshitter or just stupid.

FYI, Portuguese is the national language of Brazil and most doctors, lawyers, PHd's and others, who are 10 times smarter than you, do not speak English. Why should they? You're visiting their country, why didn't you learn some basic Portuguese before you visited?

Why didn't you search this board for information about travel to Brazil or ask questions before or even during your trip. Believe it or not, they have public internet available in Brazil. Had you asked in this board or joined Damazo's forum, you could have checked for up to date numbers for the girls you wanted to meet. Some of those listings are several years old and the girls may not be living in Europe, moved to a different city in Brazil, retired, or just changed their phone. Blame the websites for the bad numbers, they make their money from subscribers paying to look at private photos and/or videos.

If you were in the Centro area, anybody who's been to Sao Paulo could have told you that this is a dirty, gritty area. Not much worse if any than any tenderloin or skidroad district in any major US city. I've walked around that area, had a drink at Elenice where I met Bianca Freire a couple of years ago. Great experience for me since I've hung around some pretty rough areas in the past, but if you asked me, I would have told you that it's better to just call on the telephone and have them come to your hotel. Even if they don't speak English, you can somebody at the front desk at the hotel to call for you, no problem for them to set up a "programma" for you. In fact, they'll probably have their own recommendations for a friend or friend of the friend if they don't know you're looking for a TS.

Believe it or not, just because it is Brazil (or Thailand, or Argentina, or any other country), not all the escorts are good. Some are lousy, have out of date photos, and some may be out and out crooks. Same as the US. Check out the reviews on TER or other review boards. EROS and Craiglist are filled with escorts that are total ripoffs. Not checking reviews when you could have is too dumb for words. It's possible you might not find anybody who could give you a review for a particular girl, but then you know you potentially "taking one for the team" and may get ripped off which is even more likely if you don't speak their language.

If you actually were in Brazil, I feel pity for you. Two of my favorites, Alexia Freire, good English, and Fernanda Zocal recently returned from Europe, Adryela Vendramine and Raissa Maia are still in Sao Paulo, and Aline Santos, Carol Montenegro, and Jennifer Zack are a $100 plane ride away in Rio. Those are my top favorites in Brazil at the moment, along with 10 or 20 others that I haven't seen yet. A number of your favorites were probably still in Sao Paulo or maybe a nearby city if you had taken some time to gather information from insiders who know the Brazil scene.

Even if this poster is lieing it seemed to spark up an interesting discussion.

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If you actually were in Brazil, I feel pity for you. Two of my favorites, Alexia Freire, good English, and Fernanda Zocal recently returned from Europe, Adryela Vendramine and Raissa Maia are still in Sao Paulo, and Aline Santos, Carol Montenegro, and Jennifer Zack are a $100 plane ride away in Rio. Those are my top favorites in Brazil at the moment, along with 10 or 20 others that I haven't seen yet. A number of your favorites were probably still in Sao Paulo or maybe a nearby city if you had taken some time to gather information from insiders who know the Brazil scene.

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Fernanda Zocal is in Americana (São Paulo State) but in january she goes to Rio de Janeiro with Mellissa Maya and Shakira Voguel.

damazo foroum talks about the street area next to rego fretis which most people have said here that they would not dare walk there,then the forum says look at the numbers on his site,well a few of those numbers are not working and around 12 of the 15 girls are so ugly they are not worth seeing so praetor please stop with this damazo site