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so, now you are on a first-name basis with the candidates? gonna start calling the other one "barry"? anyway, has anyone stopped to think that maybe when mccain said he doesn't know how many houses he owns, maybe he's an investor? hell, i know a guy around here who doesn't know how many houses he owns, you gonna bash on him too?Quote:
Originally Posted by lisaparadise
oh, and yeah, let's vote "barry" in solely because he's black. are you fucking kidding me? :roll: :roll:
Well Lisa nobody can accuse you of keeping your opinions all bottled up. But don't you realize your angry responses, and generalizations mark you as being much like the people you so despise.
I didn't hear the speach you refer to but what John McCain said is actually true, at a fundamental level there is NOTHING wrong with our economy. I don't know how old you are, but I myself am just old enough to remember the end of the Carter years and we don't have any of the problems they had back then, there is no double digit inflation, interest rates are nowhere near the high teens, and the unemployment rate has been around 5% more or less for the last 15 years (a lot lower then it was back then). In fact in every measurable category we are in far better shape now then we were at that time. I won't even mention the great depression because the comparisons would be absurd. What John was saying is that there is nothing wrong with our economy that we as a country can't fix. Basically it's another way to say, "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself." The difference is that when FDR said those words there was a whole lot more than just fear to worry about. But given your defense of JFK earlier in this thread I'm sure you believe that FDR saved the country and made the free world safe for a generation.
Frankly I don't care what other countries think about us. That might be myopic on my part, but that's the way I feel. I'm much more concerned with what intentions other countries have towards us then what they think of us. The world is filled with people that don't like us very much, some of them with nuclear weapons. I don't believe that Obama is going to make them like us anymore then they do now because he isn't going to change the fundamental nature of this country or the world. I do strongly believe his weaker stance, on defense and terrorism is likely to invite attack from those who hate us and are waiting for a vunerability to present itself.
Actually 50% of this country is below average intelligence. And people with average intelligence aren't very bright IMO. So yes it's very easy to believe that half the country is stupid. That is irrelevant however as over half the country doesn't even vote. And of those that are left there are lots of people who vote for one party just because their parents did, and their grandparents did, etc, etc. Then there are plenty of people who vote on only one issue and disreguard everything else about a candidate. These people vote on nothing but gun control, or abortion, or gay rights. Which leads me back to point of my first post. Why hate repubs, McCain, or Palin over a single issue. Even the candidates aren't that narrow in their focus, as Sarah Palin proved when she chose to sign a bill granting spousal rights to same sex couples that worked for the state of Alaska.
Finally anybody that thinks John McCain or Sarah Palin is a George Bush clone, or a Dick Chenney clone just because they have Rs next to their name hasn't really examined the facts or their voting records. Whatever happens in this election I promise you it won't be four more years of anything. McCain is his own man, as is I hope Obama and whatever course either man charts will be their course, and not George Bush's
get real dip shitQuote:
Originally Posted by tubgirl
well said...Quote:
Originally Posted by msbhaven
your witty replies just amaze me...Quote:
Originally Posted by lisaparadise
typicalamerican attitude fight fight fight thats your countries motto let me tell you something you people need to start caring what other countries think of your beloved united states of america cause if you people keep this shit up for another 8 years none of you will be around bank on it,now you have russia and iran to deal with good luck with that.do you really think other countries respect macain? not likely barack has the personallitty to deal with the rest of your enemies macain will only blow his cool come on guys use your heads watch alittle more closely to what the rest of the world is saying theres alot at stake here not just the usa we are right beside you and dont wanna be part of the fall out when one of your enemies come a calling.....Quote:
Originally Posted by msbhaven
Because they are the lesser of the evils in this case,Quote:
Originally Posted by msbhaven
If the republicans truly stand for what they have been saying for the last ~7 years, then you can not only expect, but predict, republican control would translate into eroding what little progress we've had in this country.
The dems may not be about to make things easier, but the rep's certainly are eager to make things HARDER.
Worse, they know that using lgbt-hating as a distraction worked in 2004, now that the theory has been proven, I'm sure they'll return to it whenever it would bring similar tangible results, be it elections or not.
I really don't know how else to explain it.
Yeah right. Who wants an ally that judges you on a few things that have gone wrong and of whom doesn't respect the U.S.A. and all of what it has brought to the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisaparadise
I hate the kind of people that root for another team just because their team isn't doing very well.
Respect McCain ? They, like most in the U.S.A., probably do not know much about either one of our presidential candidates.Quote:
now you have russia and iran to deal with good luck with that.do you really think other countries respect macain? not likely barack has the personallitty to deal with the rest of your enemies macain will only blow his cool
Personality doesn't mean anything, it's the actions you take, for if someone gauges something soley on it's chosen personality of the time, then that's simply unwise.
i feel sorry for that guy hes brainwashed by the bush administration and lost his leg for peace?what the fuck is this guy smokin?they were sent to another country because bush though saddam had weapons of mass destrution lol ya ok im thinkin he forgot who took the towers down does bin laden rig a bell?Quote:
Originally Posted by tubgirl
i think it's just out-frikken-standing that you know more than someone who has been over there. i'm sure i'll take your opinion over his any day... :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by lisaparadise
maybe you should be the one to answer the "what's he been smokin'?" question...
dude get a grip will yaQuote:
Originally Posted by tubgirl
dude, you get a grip...Quote:
Originally Posted by lisaparadise
Shit Sarah Palin looks terrible there are thousands of TGirls that look way better than her. I would fuck five tgirls at one time before I even look at Palin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paladin
I find the soldiers video somewhat disturbing.
Basically he's saying that the reason you do something is irrelevant as long as the end result is positive. That's pretty scary as a political philosophy, as it allows you to justify the start of any action, and as long as you can keep it going you don't have to justify it, as you haven't reached the end.
Similar is the idea that sacrifices made justify unending further sacrifice. Do you save a fireman when he's about to save a child, well yes, if he child is going to die anyway, or if you are simply trading the life of the fireman for the possibility the child will live. What if the fireman has a family of his own he should be supporting, and the child is a suicidal teen running into the fire deliberately? What if this fireman is the second man trying to save the teen, the first having died... how many firemen do you allow to run in as the chief before you call your men out?
The point is its not as simplistic as 'we've given so much, we have to give more' and its not as sure as 'we just need to give another thousand lives and this will work' or even clearly 'we have to do this, because they can't do it themselves'.
Sean
Apparently the lower bound on that answer exceeds 4180, the current number of U.S. soldiers killed in the Iraq debacle so far.Quote:
how many firemen do you allow to run in as the chief before you call your men out?
Often being stuck in one place on the ground is the absolute worst place to be when attempting to gain an overall perspective on the effectiveness of a countrywide military/political strategy. Soldiers in Iraq will tell you many different stories (both heart warming and horrifying) and they will express just as wide a variety of opinions on the justification and success of the war (or lack thereof) as the American public at large. Both (soldiers in Iraq and the American public) are in fact largely negative on the war and wish to see it end soon.
With due respect to the soldier in the video, one does have to look at the good, in order to justify risking and sacrificing ones life. But any action, especially some as big as waging war, has to be looked at in a larger picture to weigh the benefits vs. the costs. This analysis would include the US, the world, the region, and Iraq itself. The most reliable and conservative source puts the Iraqi civilian death toll at over 90,000. Compare that with the 20,000 number that occurred when Saddam attacked the Kurds around 1988. Let’s look at the fact that Saddam was the biggest regional challenge to Iran. Now Iran is next door to the country where those people who are ethnically similar are in power. And we all know that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, so the chief benefit to the US was access to Iraq’s oil reserves, reported to be the second largest in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justawannabe
The soldier in the video is correct, in the fact that since we removed such things as police protection there, our help is needed to give people there the basic freedom of safety, in a nation charged with ethnic tensions. Some of these people have been feuding since the death of the Prophet in the 7th Century, over his successors. So it goes back to what are the benefits vs the costs?
I heard that more US Service men contubuted to Obama's campaign than McCain's.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
She actually looks better now.Quote:
Originally Posted by kimjongil
-Quinn