Hillary is like the third rail of politics...Clintons to many in general have a divisive nature to them, it would never fly in moderate/conservative circles on a GOP ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend
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Hillary is like the third rail of politics...Clintons to many in general have a divisive nature to them, it would never fly in moderate/conservative circles on a GOP ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend
Democrats might also regret putting a Sophmore Senator as POTUS when they could have put Hillary. ITs all too late to bring more experience where its desperately needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by braveman
You may be right, braveman. I'm better at issues than politics. It does seem the republican party already let on how much of a tizzy there are in, when they announced they may have to delay their convention.
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Originally Posted by Legend
Because that would run CONTRARY to the CHANGE he's been espousing since, well.....forever.
Then there would be more calls for him being inconsistent and a flip flopper, thus losing the moderates, and thus losing the race in the end.
I'd still vote for him, but I would have even lost just a little respect for him had he gone with her.
I don't know if you understand this Legend, because you seem kinda young by some of your postings but:
Smart choice would have been to select Hillary Clinton.
Wise choice is NOT selecting Hillary Clinton.
Obviously, one is greater than the other.
It's a big attempt to steal attention away from Obama's speech (which was great- I wasn't aware they were moving to a big stadium for the last day, so the momentum captured me).
This seems like such a desperate attempt by McCain to steal Hillary's votes. I really can't imagine Hillary supporters going for, with all the bad stuff I've heard about her.
Plus (and good for me, I'm for Obama) this might keep the Republicans who would never, ever vote for a woman at home on Election Day.
-Tara
So whats the difference between clinton and biden besides her numbers and record.Biden isn't exactly the defintion of change.Quote:
Originally Posted by ARMANIXXX
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Originally Posted by Tara Emory
Of course its a tactical move..its politics. Everything is tactical in politics down to the Greek stage Obama spoke so well from. Many pundits surmise that Hillary doesn't want Obama to win...she's planning a 2012 run and Hillary really hasn't been championing Obama as she could especially with the campaign Obama ran and the tensions between the two. She'll outwardly show some support as part of the DNC show but behind the scenes don't look for Clinton to do much for his campaign..she's wanting more from Obama than she's offering ($$$).
As far as conservative (evangelical) Republicans... They'll unify by Mccain much stronger now Palin is on board, but the wild card is her down to earth family background, appeal to middle class americans, and her strongest showing will be the on the fence independents who were wondering if he'd bring aboard an inside Washington type who represents the big corporations (eg Romney). Mccain didnt choose the far-right ideologue...Palins more social issues are conservative but not the forfront of her politics. She is not a safe decision...a bit of a gamble,yet has a transformative potential to the Mccain camp, but IMO will offer much more to a broader section of demographics than some other choices he could have made.
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Originally Posted by Legend
IMO Clinton probably didnt want the VP selection. She wasn't even vetted for it, was overlooked for it and/or likely declined the selection. A VP spot would mean 8 years of OBama Presidency...because that would be the media projected "dream ticket" that would sell. Obama picked Biden for his experience...that which he doesnt have himself, and for his ability to connect with blue collar workers. Biden doesnt offer half of what a Obama/Hillary ticket does. The only problem with that would be Clinton would overshadow Obama in nearly all areas. Regardless, she wants her own ticket, not ride the tails of Obama.
Hillary voters who vote for Obama really will just reward the guy who dissed them most and you'll probably see alot others going to Mccain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska
being governor of this state is executive experience ??
there's more people living in Jackson Heights
THat can of worms... Obama supporters really should NOT be opening up. Voters vote mostly on the POTUS anyways not VP... all this VP stuff will be moot in a few weeks, and the Presidency will be chosen by the credentials and policies of the candidates for the highest office.Quote:
Originally Posted by flabbybody
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Originally Posted by Legend
The difference is perception......A front line difference, of sorts.
Clinton has already effectively been in the White House for 8 years.
*shrug*
enough said from me.
off to work now.q
Mccain voted against civil rights and was in favor of jim crow . and obama can have 1 nice house since mccain has 7 worth over 13 mil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle
Bottom line- this is an attempt to do what Republicans do best, steal votes.
Sarah Palin is anti-gay and anti-abortion, so it was a perfect choice for McCain but not a perfect choice for the country. If McCain wins God help us all. It'll just be George W. Bush all over again.
Who?
What a weird choice ... female and young ... the Republicans have no grasp of reality if they think that's going to attract votes ... then again ...
It is meant to attract democrat votes. The ones that are pissed because hilary didn't make the cut. If McCain gets those 27% of hilary supports that say they will not vote for Obama then McCain has a very good chance of winning.
Well it didn't take long for the press to dig up dirt on her that's for sure.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/254/story/51144.html
Enjoy!
It wouldn't surprise me if the majority of women will now vote for McCain, not because they like his ideas but only and only because a woman is his VP. I think American women are obsessed with getting power and they will vote on anyone for that......see Hillary Clinton.
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Originally Posted by meghanchavalier
Whatever digging this brings will be returned with Rezko... For the Obama campaign they need to be careful to expose all this "dirt" for fear of revealing their own coffins.
The feminists are outraged that their struggles were eclipsed by racial ones...some polls are showing a defection of up to %30 of Hillary votes to MccainQuote:
Originally Posted by Dinand
This has been in the news since early July. This is biggest reason why I thought she was a odd choice. McCain must have known this going in so I guess he thinks it isn't true and has plans to fight this or his team is extremely stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by meghanchavalier
I would say plain stupid. I thought it was interesting that she said that she has lots of gay friends but isn't for gay marriage. I'm sorry but it's not a two way street, you either support the gay community or you don't. Flip flopping to appease the masses isn't acceptable.
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Originally Posted by meghanchavalier
So one can't own guns but be against the NRA? :( :wink:
Well, if you own a gun you already agree with alot of what the NRA stands for don't you think?
This is worth reposting here:Quote:
Originally Posted by ottorocket
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Originally Posted by yodajazz
Not necassarily. Its can not be mutually exclusive to own a gun and not agree with the social tenants of a large political organization.Quote:
Originally Posted by meghanchavalier
I guess we'll agree to disagree on that one
I don't see a conflict in that position really...it actually jibes with my personal decisions to not follow the traditional paths of either party or be a "true believer" as some may describe those who faithfully follow a party line. I have two gay friends who don't ascribe to gay marriage proposal here in California too so with regards differences in people and political organizations agenda's and beliefs its not all or nothing as many want others to beleive.Quote:
Originally Posted by meghanchavalier
I'm not sure how someone who is gay would not believe that the community should not be afforded all of the same civil rights and liberties as every other american and that includes gay marriage.
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Originally Posted by meghanchavalier
I can't tell you why they believe that, it may be due to their religious upbringings or whatever, all i can tell you is they do support civil unions but not "marraige" in that sense. As i said...nothing is all or nothing and I respect your opinions on it, but all I'm saying is that I am not a soundbite voter or single issue voter, and i'm not alone in that i suppose.
Well, I guess it comes down to believe in what you believe in and stand behind it if it motivates you.
Sarah Palin does indeed OPPOSE same-sex marriage.
Alaska was one of the first American states to pass a constitutional ban on gay marriage.
She could very well be to the right of John McCain.
He chose her because of gender and age. She turns 45 next February. He'll be 73 next August. Oh, and she's able to use the Internet -- ha!ha!
But stealing votes is not out of the picture. I just saw a movie this week called “American Blackout” which shows how voting machines were taken out of Black areas in Columbus Ohio in the 2004 presidential election. Residents in the predominately Democratic area had to wait in line fours, outside in the rain in order to vote. There were not long lines in the suburban areas. They showed the lines from a helicopter view, they were so long stretching for blocks, in some cases. There were also very long lines of up to four hours in several college towns, where there would be tendency to have liberal views.Quote:
Originally Posted by braveman
The Secretary of State, whose job it was to oversee the election, was also George Bush’s campaign manager for the state. He made some controversial decisions on how certain ballots were collected and counted. And it was Ohio’s electoral votes that put Bush over the top, for his second term.
As for2000 in Florida, word on the street was that there was a heavy police presence in the Black community on that Election Day. A lot of poorer people have outstanding traffic violations, so heavy police presence helped keep the turnout down, an area that votes maybe 90 democratic. As you may recall, George Bush’s brother was governor, and the Secretary of State, whose job it was to certify the election results, was also Bush’s campaign manager for the state.
McCain went for the eyecandy, huh?
LOL
I think he plans to leave Cindy for Palin
That's exactly what I was saying.....Quote:
Originally Posted by braveman
Pawlenty obviously thought as recently as yesterday that he was going to take the nod; it looks like the Obama acceptance speech so rattled McCain that he picked Palin simply to retake control of the newscycle. That's so fundamentally unserious as to be scary. Almost no thought went into picking this woman as far as governing, or even what her positions are. Some of her policy statements are in direct contradiction of the McCain campaigns. This for sure looks good, but I have to wonder how it plays out in the next few days. It's going to be entertaining.
If McCain becomes president and Palin is badly hurt in a car accident can he trade her in for a younger hotter richer VP like he did his wife?
I wish he had picked Pawlenty, get that joker out of our state for awhile. What's even worse is the convention is coming up, and downtown Minneapolis is swarming with cops. They all look rather mean and one of my sisters is planning on getting arrested at the protests. The official hotel for the convention is also two blocks from my apartment, they booked the whole place. That should be interesting.
There's helicopters zipping around like dragonflies outside as I type this. Why did the Republicans have to pick us?
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A few things from this thread:
Priceless 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by flabbybody
If this was the case Geraldine would've been VP long agoQuote:
Originally Posted by Dinand
I agree with a few of you on certain things
- she's got that milf next door that looks at you but would never make a move because she's afraid of what younger better dick would do to her marriage
this pick was done to attempt to steal votes...............
Her age isn't an issue
Her looks aren't an issue
Her 2 years as governor of Alaska are not an issue
The distraction caused by McCain by picking her: AN ISSUE!!!!!!!
it's like trying to patch up a hole in a sinking ship and all you have to patch it is toilet paper, at the end of the day the ship still sank, but you delayed it with that semi decent water absorption!
For those of you that don't know, JWBL is a Republican. It was my choice, doesn't mean I support McCain and in my state it really doesn't matter, I'm a blood living in a Crip's hood.
That means nothing though, here's the bottom line. America (and in America I mean those that on election day won't be cheated out of voting) will vote for 2 men of any ethnicity over a man & a woman. Obama's camp knows this and McCain's camp knows this hence the late yet I have to say brave move. By picking the Igloo Milf the Republicans are doing what they do best, disrupting the media's bullshit polls which can cause doubts in some of the "simplest" minds.
What we've needed to be concerned about for the last 7 years isn't who's next but "can we properly vote" for who's next............. Florida will once again be the dog's tail in November and another presidency might be stolen.