Tyra Banks Casts a Tranny in New America's Next Top Model!

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08-14-2008
Legend

Television is television local or cable, just because the person isn't on local doesn' t mean you should discredit the other personand what they have accomplished.They are respresenting,would you discredit the war if was only shown on cable.
08-14-2008
Alyssa87

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Originally Posted by Legend

would you discredit the war if was only shown on cable.

that explains America's concern about the genocide in Darfur.
08-14-2008
ANIYAH

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Originally Posted by Legend

Television is television local or cable, just because the person isn't on local doesn' t mean you should discredit the other personand what they have accomplished.They are respresenting,would you discredit the war if was only shown on cable.

I never discredited claudia again i applauded her on her accomplishments...But in my opinion i dont think "she slays " Isis ..(as another poster said )..I think there accomplishments are uncomparable ...
08-14-2008
Nowhere

As I always say, all I'm going to do is cross my fingers that she's not exploited.

The more exposure the better, provided it's in a positive light.

For everything I've seen, Tyra DOES respect tgirls, so let's just hope she keeps on doing it.

People, realize that every single time tgirls and tguys are shown as simply being HUMAN and "like everyone else" to millions of people is a step towards tolerance and giving them the right to live their lives with the same rights as the rest of the people in this country.

Right or wrong, the presence of one woman on a TV screen for a few months in a row makes a million times more difference than a protest with 100 people which will be a blip on the news to most people, so don't knock it.
08-14-2008
Legend

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Originally Posted by Alyssa87

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Originally Posted by Legend

would you discredit the war if was only shown on cable.

that explains America's concern about the genocide in Darfur.

Lol.
08-14-2008
Legend

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Originally Posted by ANIYAH

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Originally Posted by Legend

Television is television local or cable, just because the person isn't on local doesn' t mean you should discredit the other personand what they have accomplished.They are respresenting,would you discredit the war if was only shown on cable.

I never discredited claudia again i applauded her on her accomplishments...But in my opinion i dont think "she slays " Isis ..(as another poster said )..I think there accomplishments are uncomparable ....And i saw a broadcast about the war on the news today on channel 5 :roll: lol ..sad wats going on in jordan

Contradictions left and right.
08-14-2008
tsntx

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Originally Posted by Hara_Juku Tgirl

I've to agree with Jen. Plus how is it groundbreaking if someone has done it a long time ago? Tula aka Caroline Cossey has made it as a Bond girl in FILM (which is a bigger industry than television) in 1981. And if we want to be technical about it, It was Christine Jorgensen who was the first transexual to be on TV - The Dick Cavett Show (back in the 50's) if I'm not mistaken .

Ru-Paul had her/his own talk show on television way back. India's Rose now also has her own talk show in her own country:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8dxckZwPkE

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/15/asia/letter.php

~Kisses.

HTG

i agree w/ the 2nd part you posted ... but the 1rst?

no way in hell does ANYTHING tula did "pave the way" for trannies... she had a non-speaking extra part.... for that kinda role the viewing public didnt and wouldnt know her "t" .... as far as the ppl that hired her... they knew
08-14-2008
ANIYAH

And lemme ask again where is Claudia Now ...Anyone know ?Is she still Modeling?
08-14-2008
Hara_Juku Tgirl

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Originally Posted by tsntx

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Originally Posted by Hara_Juku Tgirl

I've to agree with Jen. Plus how is it groundbreaking if someone has done it a long time ago? Tula aka Caroline Cossey has made it as a Bond girl in FILM (which is a bigger industry than television) in 1981. And if we want to be technical about it, It was Christine Jorgensen who was the first transexual to be on TV - The Dick Cavett Show (back in the 50's) if I'm not mistaken .

Ru-Paul had her/his own talk show on television way back. India's Rose now also has her own talk show in her own country:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8dxckZwPkE

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/15/asia/letter.php

~Kisses.

HTG

i agree w/ the 2nd part you posted ... but the 1rst?

no way in hell does ANYTHING tula did "pave the way" for trannies... she had a non-speaking extra part.... for that kinda role the viewing public didnt and wouldnt know her "t" .... as far as the ppl that hired her... they knew

lol Well you're right. She didn't have any "speaking" part. Though you've got to admit that when the bomb dropped and everyone knew she was once a man..SHE has "inspired" trannies all around the globe to dream of one day making it on film and telly. I mean, just go look at how many trannies try to have their 5 minutes of fame at such shows as Jenny Jones, Maury, Sally Jessy Raphael show, Springer etc. which by the way are all scripted. Everyone just wants to be a STAR! lol ;)

~Kisses.

HTG
08-14-2008
dan_drade

Re: Tyra Banks Casts a Tranny in New America's Next Top Mode

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Originally Posted by bored21

http://jacquesmorel.blogspot.com/2008/08/stumbled-on-hmmdamnit-tyra-you-are.html
WOWW.

thats a big deal!!

Well now that just sucks. Now every time my girlfriend watches, she will probably make me cover my eyes. LOL
08-14-2008
slinky

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Originally Posted by Nowhere

As I always say, all I'm going to do is cross my fingers that she's not exploited.

People (transgendered or not) go on these show specifically to be exploited, so I don't know what hope there is. And as I eluded to earlier, if she weren't being exploited, they wouldn't have even said anything. I mean, would introduce someone as "Hi! Meet my black friend Dave"?
08-14-2008
slinky

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Originally Posted by Alyssa87

i only compared the two because theyre both groundbreakers in the world of modeling & tv.

ironic?
08-14-2008
BlackMath

It's pretty simple.

Next Top Model is a globally recognised brand. Although it has been franchised, the American version is still distributed globally. Where as JD's Modelling Agency was on a much smaller scale.

Tyra is also trying to carve out a niche as the 'alternative Oprah' or something similarly inconceivable. So my assumption would be that she will take a 'caring' 'accepting' and 'nuturing' role. The other judges might not, but she should.
I can also foresee some episode where Tyra yells at the other contestants for not accepting her; because they always love to include a couple of those episodes where Tyra goes nuts.
08-14-2008
BlackMath

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Originally Posted by Tanuki

would be great to see tyra getting it from a tgirl.. I bet she would like it.

P.S. What an intelligent and insightful addition to this conversation.
08-14-2008
bored21

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Originally Posted by BlackMath

It's pretty simple.

Next Top Model is a globally recognised brand. Although it has been franchised, the American version is still distributed globally. Where as JD's Modelling Agency was on a much smaller scale.

Tyra is also trying to carve out a niche as the 'alternative Oprah' or something similarly inconceivable. So my assumption would be that she will take a 'caring' 'accepting' and 'nuturing' role. The other judges might not, but she should.
I can also foresee some episode where Tyra yells at the other contestants for not accepting her; because they always love to include a couple of those episodes where Tyra goes nuts.

her show sucks to oprah
08-14-2008
toolegitforu

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Originally Posted by Legend

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Originally Posted by toolegitforu

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Originally Posted by Legend

What, I do not get it everyone here knows this is a stunt for a reality show that has been irrelevant for a couple of years now.They are going to use her and spit her back out like they did claudia.Seriously though they embarrassed claudia by firing her on TV and to add injury to insult they told her that their clients did not want a transsexual model.I'm just saying you girls should have higher expectations then this anyway its nothing but a mere reality show.We need girls on major tv shows like battlestar galactica and lost now that is when i will get pumped up but not for something like this.I know her fate.

YOU'VE GOT TO BE JOKING. This business is a circus, but if that were to ever happen, I'd turn in all of my industry credentials and walk the fuck away. Models are as big a joke as trannie's that think they're actors. Both are pretty absurd and continue to make a mockery of a once admirable profession. But the majority of the general public are morons that will watch anything and think its good. And in the end its always about ratings, no matter how you can get them. Grounbreaking? Please, its train wreck effect tv to cash in on ratings. Now we'll see if freedom of speech exsist here.

I'm really not talking about any guest appearances i'm talking about a full role from a girl who can act not a premadonna who thinks she is all that and a bag of chips,someone who takes their art seriously.

I know thats what you meant, and that why I said what I had to say. You're not gonna find a trannie(especially a young one) that is willing to immerse themselves in the craft. Train as an actor for several years. Do off bway and regional theatre along with indie films while they're waiting for a break. THATS WHAT YOU CALL A LEVEL OF SERIOUSNESS. So no, at the standards and the level that I work on, there will never be a trannie. Regardless of what this joke of an industry does or what show they put them on. Their work will never meet what I call a level of seriousness.
08-14-2008
BrendaQG

@Toolegit.

I hear what you are saying there. But I think you have it backwards. It's not that transsexuals are unwilling to immerse themselves in the craft of acting in the way that you said and work their way up. It is that a transsexual will likely not get the chance. There is a world of discrimination out there where people will acknowledge your excellence but still not give us a break basically because we are transsexuals.
_________

I would also like to second and third and fourth what has been said about this not being groundbreaking or new. Many many MTF transsexuals have been on TV in various ways. All that will happen to this new girl is what happened to Claudia, and others before her. The machine will use her for a ratings bonanza and the spit her out once ANTM has a higher profile.

I would like to hope for the best but I am a realist. I will just hope that she is able to parlay this exposure into some form of success in the rest of life.
08-14-2008
Legend

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Originally Posted by toolegitforu

I know thats what you meant, and that why I said what I had to say. You're not gonna find a trannie(especially a young one) that is willing to immerse themselves in the craft. Train as an actor for several years. Do off bway and regional theatre along with indie films while they're waiting for a break. THATS WHAT YOU CALL A LEVEL OF SERIOUSNESS. So no, at the standards and the level that I work on, there will never be a trannie. Regardless of what this joke of an industry does or what show they put them on. Their work will never meet what I call a level of seriousness.

I wouldn't say never and i'm sure they are girls like jenninfer or alyssa or any girl here would kill to be a dedicated actor if they had the chance.Jen has her own show so she is a little ways there.
08-15-2008
bored21

im excited
08-15-2008
iloveall

the only reason she is on the show is for ratings
it has nothing to do with anyting but tv ratings.
that's why she picked a plus sized woman last year.
if she picks the same old cookie cutter type of woman the show would fail.
08-15-2008
tsbrenda

Transgender America's Next Top Model

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx/?n...6953&GT1=28103

http://entimg.msn.com/i/150/News/Aug...l_isis_150.jpg

http://www.mediatakeout.com/photo/1218633617antt.jpg

http://www.usmagazine.com/files/isis-b.jpg

http://www.usmagazine.com/transgende...ompete-on-antm
08-15-2008
lilly_exohexoh

wooooo i love this show
08-15-2008
slinky

So she loses (you know she ain't gonna win) and some rich guy offers her $100,000 for a date. At the end of the night, he wants her to fuck him, but she says "I'm a bottom only", so he sues the show for false advertising. Their defense is "She didn't win, did she?".
08-15-2008
ARMANIXXX

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Originally Posted by toolegitforu

I know thats what you meant, and that why I said what I had to say. You're not gonna find a trannie(especially a young one) that is willing to immerse themselves in the craft. Train as an actor for several years. Do off bway and regional theatre along with indie films while they're waiting for a break. THATS WHAT YOU CALL A LEVEL OF SERIOUSNESS. So no, at the standards and the level that I work on, there will never be a trannie. Regardless of what this joke of an industry does or what show they put them on. Their work will never meet what I call a level of seriousness.

How do you know there aren't plenty of TS girls doing just that?

Just as there are plenty of TS's with real 9 to 5's, I'm sure there are some that are aspiring to become real actors/actresses that are serious about their craft.

In fact, now that I think about it, I know 3 personally that do a type of caberet/variety show here in the Bay Area.
08-15-2008
bored21

i used to work with at tranny
08-15-2008
bored21

bmpss
08-15-2008
toolegitforu

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Originally Posted by ARMANIXXX

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Originally Posted by toolegitforu

I know thats what you meant, and that why I said what I had to say. You're not gonna find a trannie(especially a young one) that is willing to immerse themselves in the craft. Train as an actor for several years. Do off bway and regional theatre along with indie films while they're waiting for a break. THATS WHAT YOU CALL A LEVEL OF SERIOUSNESS. So no, at the standards and the level that I work on, there will never be a trannie. Regardless of what this joke of an industry does or what show they put them on. Their work will never meet what I call a level of seriousness.

How do you know there aren't plenty of TS girls doing just that?

Just as there are plenty of TS's with real 9 to 5's, I'm sure there are some that are aspiring to become real actors/actresses that are serious about their craft.

In fact, now that I think about it, I know 3 personally that do a type of caberet/variety show here in the Bay Area.

Caberet=dinner theatre=basically community theatre. Not professional work
08-15-2008
toolegitforu

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Originally Posted by BrendaQG

@Toolegit.

I hear what you are saying there. But I think you have it backwards. It's not that transsexuals are unwilling to immerse themselves in the craft of acting in the way that you said and work their way up. It is that a transsexual will likely not get the chance. There is a world of discrimination out there where people will acknowledge your excellence but still not give us a break basically because we are transsexuals.
_________

I would also like to second and third and fourth what has been said about this not being groundbreaking or new. Many many MTF transsexuals have been on TV in various ways. All that will happen to this new girl is what happened to Claudia, and others before her. The machine will use her for a ratings bonanza and the spit her out once ANTM has a higher profile.

I would like to hope for the best but I am a realist. I will just hope that she is able to parlay this exposure into some form of success in the rest of life.

You're right Brenda, but for the most part, trannies will always play trannies. They're looked at in the industry as a specialty. Meaning, they're only gonna play what they are for the most part. Can you see Denzel agree to play opposite a pre-op whose his wife? Never happen unless its in the script. Trannies in the industry will always be right on the same level with midgets. Actually, midgets work more, and I know a few who are pretty damm good actors. Can't say I've met any trannies that I would consider having legit talent. By that I mean classical theatre tranning along with television and film expertise.
08-15-2008
hwbs

i heard them talking about this topic on the radio yesterday !!!
08-15-2008
menacingmethods86

she'll be escorting again, assuming she already has, once the show is over just like claudia charriez. it's no big deal
08-16-2008
toolegitforu

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Originally Posted by iloveall

the only reason she is on the show is for ratings
it has nothing to do with anyting but tv ratings.
that's why she picked a plus sized woman last year.
if she picks the same old cookie cutter type of woman the show would fail.

BUMP
08-16-2008
Alyssa87

whats with all the escorting talk?

was she an escort b4 the show?
08-16-2008
bored21

probably
08-16-2008
Solitary Brother

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Originally Posted by Alyssa87

holy ish!
this is huge.

tho, claudia eats her..wutevs.

does she have a myspace? or have more pics somewhere?

You dont know who this is?
08-16-2008
Solitary Brother

I hate to break to SOME of you but she is from the ballroom.
Tyra has featured many ballroom figures and celebrities on her show.
Im glad because this sheds a positive light on the ballroom scene and its participants.
So many of them are widly creative and exciting people and they deserve a chance to shine.

Tyra Banks is pussy cunt out!!!!
08-16-2008
Legend

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Originally Posted by Solitary Brother

I hate to break to SOME of you but she is from the ballroom.
Tyra has featured many ballroom figures and celebrities on her show.
Im glad because this sheds a positive light on the ballroom scene and its participants.
So many of them are widly creative and exciting people and they deserve a chance to shine.

Tyra Banks is pussy cunt out!!!!

Please don't ever speak in a discussion on boxing or mma ever again!
08-16-2008
bored21

lol what happened?
08-16-2008
AsiaMei

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Originally Posted by Solitary Brother

I hate to break to SOME of you but she is from the ballroom.
Tyra has featured many ballroom figures and celebrities on her show.
Im glad because this sheds a positive light on the ballroom scene and its participants.
So many of them are widly creative and exciting people and they deserve a chance to shine.

Tyra Banks is pussy cunt out!!!!

lolx. i posted she was from the house of tsunami.

she walked bquid realness, face and runway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fh5tUBDwBI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGcUCP3sOu8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUHrrv1U6_w
08-16-2008
BrendaQG

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Originally Posted by toolegitforu

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Originally Posted by BrendaQG

@Toolegit.

I hear what you are saying there. But I think you have it backwards. It's not that transsexuals are unwilling to immerse themselves in the craft of acting in the way that you said and work their way up. It is that a transsexual will likely not get the chance. There is a world of discrimination out there where people will acknowledge your excellence but still not give us a break basically because we are transsexuals.
_________

I would also like to second and third and fourth what has been said about this not being groundbreaking or new. Many many MTF transsexuals have been on TV in various ways. All that will happen to this new girl is what happened to Claudia, and others before her. The machine will use her for a ratings bonanza and the spit her out once ANTM has a higher profile.

I would like to hope for the best but I am a realist. I will just hope that she is able to parlay this exposure into some form of success in the rest of life.

You're right Brenda, but for the most part, trannies will always play trannies. They're looked at in the industry as a specialty. Meaning, they're only gonna play what they are for the most part. Can you see Denzel agree to play opposite a pre-op whose his wife? Never happen unless its in the script. Trannies in the industry will always be right on the same level with midgets. Actually, midgets work more, and I know a few who are pretty damm good actors. Can't say I've met any trannies that I would consider having legit talent. By that I mean classical theatre tranning along with television and film expertise.

Here's were you get me wrong. I think you have confused experience with talent. I am sure there are plenty of TS's who if given a shot at having the training and experience you speak of would be just as good.

Now when it comes to the matter and person at hand she has experience. The matter at hand is modeling not actin. Her experience is in the form of walking in balls. Which have to be if anything more pressure filled than a straight fashion show by FAR. I don't think she has ever been in print, but I know of, know and have met T-girls who have been legit print models. (Not like VS. no no... In like local level newspapers and catalogs. Yes yes.) Looking at her she looks quit capable of modeling anything an designer want's to come up with.

I just don't have high hopes for her success because when it comes to it Tyra may not be willing to put her name and money behind someone who's going to have a really tough time. Simply because there are so many closed minds in the world. Trust me I know how that stuff goes.
08-17-2008
tsbrenda

know of a few post op transsexual super models who have not

I personally know of a few post op transsexual super models who have not
been outed but I will not give there names or what clothing store or corporation they work for or contracted too

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