I can't wait to hear Asia tell us if because HE thinks so then Europe automatically didn't have that many Jews, or if Germany's admission of fault is just a government cover up?
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I can't wait to hear Asia tell us if because HE thinks so then Europe automatically didn't have that many Jews, or if Germany's admission of fault is just a government cover up?
No 911, I like that one oldto77, I bet Asia would love to tell us how it was all planned by the government and that a building shouldn't collapse like that?
Funny that none of you cock hungry bozos arent talking shit to Meghan Chevallier who also agrees with me...why..hmmm I wonder.Quote:
Originally Posted by zukkobaby
And whats with this silly comparison to the holocaust?Must be a derivitive of Godwins Law...typical noob move. :roll:
Yall believe what you want and I will believe what I want,but as I've said previously until one of us marches up to the moon and checks things out personally this debate is moot,and all its accomplishing is getting Zukko's panties in a ruffle.
You're most welcome Angie,good to see some people here can agree to disagree without pulling out insults and the Nazi's...lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by angie
Anytime you want to disagree over a nice shiraz,or a sixer of Pabst Blue Ribbon for that matter drop me a line.
just make sure its not yellow tail , lmao
Asia DJ -
Yes, it is rather amazing to expect cordiality to be above and beyond common decency.
But BBR - I haven'r had that since college, and IU grew up in the shadow of the Newark brewery !
If you prefer beer, I am rather succeptible to a Newkie Brown !
Angie
I did take a jab at Megan, re-read the post. I just have low tolerance for reading your stupidity. You actually seem like a clever guy, if you read a real science book you probably wouldn't sound so stupid. You can hide behind your big bad government theories or just realize that the government isn't always lying and not every conspiracy is real. You call us sheep yet you follow the crackpot theories blindly because they're anti establishment, aren't you cool. I still love your "proof" that in your opinion we didn't have good enough technology, because you were obviously a NASA scientist in the 60s? So far you've had alot of opinions, most of them have been downright stupid. Oh well, this topic is getting boring. I'm sure Asia will live a long happy life... ignorance is bliss after all.
Useless to argue with these kind of guys: they are always right and you can never demonstrate !
It fact all that is due to some kind of monomania which gets cured quite well in Mental Health Hospitals nowadays.
I am just sorry for there relatives.
The very last mission, Apollo 17, surely was not...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_17
As to the other missions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_missions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apollo_missions
many affirm that it's quite likely that only from the 14th onwards they really happened.
As to Apollo 11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11
the "official" justification given for the many inconsistencies in the photographs is twofold: some have official been recognised as "retouched", others are said to have been "reshot" because radiation had ruined the film.
In any case, pointing a laser beam to the Moon or Luna triggers the response of the Laser Ranging Retroreflector
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/missio...periments/lrr/
so that means that at least one mission among 11, 14 and 15 was successful... not to mention 16 and 17.
I'll bet all the idiots who think the moon landings are faked think that all the photoshopped girls in those brasilian (taiksha, etc) sites are real...
As you 2 continue to flog a dead sheep I will repeat:Quote:
Originally Posted by oldto77
When yall decide to do a weekend on the Sea of Tranquility lemme know and we can settle this once and for all.
At least you didnt dredge up the Holocaust again...making progress!
The Apollo 11 astronauts left a bank of mirrors on the Moon. We bounce laser beams off those mirrors every day. The time delay for the return beam gives us an accurate measure of the Moon's distance to Earth. I have colleagues who use this data to understand the complex dynamics of the Earth-Moon system. Since the two bodies aren't point masses, they effect each others motions through tidal forces and frame dragging. Any person in the world, given the coordinates of the mirrors can ping the moon, and many independent universities and laboratories have done so.
DJ Asia probably thinks that the US didn't have the technology to make mirrors in the 60s.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Paladin
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Originally Posted by zukkobaby
You have to say "uncle" first.
Before Apollo 11 no one could ping a laser beam off what seems to be a small array of mirrors in the Sea of Tranquility. Since the Apollo 11 mission scientists of different countries, universities, labs and institutions could independently ping the Moon with lasers and use the “echo” to determine this distance between the mirror and their locations. They’ve been able to compare their independently collected results and see that the combined data they’ve collected is consistent. Other arrays of mirrors have appeared at the landing sites of other missions. So we can now triangulate and investigate theories of lunar geology.
One conspiracy theory might contend the mirrors have appeared thanks the aid of extraterrestrials. Others might be persuaded the missions that installed the mirrors were done robotically. But by far the simplest explanation, and the one consistent with all the facts is that the missions were exactly as advertised, manned missions to the Moon.
http://physics.ucsd.edu/~tmurphy/apollo/doc/apollo.pdf
http://tau.fesg.tu-muenchen.de/~fesg...r.php?&lang=en
Yeah, way to go Trish.
Trish KICKS ASS AND TAKES NO PRISONERS!!!
I read that all of the Stealth F-117 fighters are being replaced by the F-22's. They already have been around for 20+ years. If the F-117's were flying 20 years ago, why is it so hard to think we landed on the moon?
This is the conspiracy I like to believe in the most, plus the chili peppers I'm backing up on this one.
Choose your battles
:shock:
Now wait one. Fucking. Minute.
I took collegiate-level astronomy classes in high school (which seems like a while ago now). Despite that it's a small planetarium, we have one of the largest collections of NASA memorabilia in the entire world. Y'all remember when they shot that first monkey into space for a test flight? We have the actual capsule the monkey rode in, as in it's not a replica. We have over a dozen artefacts in the collection that actually have been on the moon, in addition to nearly four dozen other space artefacts; this includes documents signed by presidents Kennedym Johnson, and Nixon relating to the space program. I've personally met and spoken with both American astronauts who've walked on the surface of the moon, as well as a Russian cosmonaut. You ask Art Klinger, who has been curator/operator of the planetarium since its inception, and he still remembers me. He wrote, by himself, the textbook that we used in class, and I can to this day reference it to discredit any hoax (astrology) or prove any factual occurrence (the moon landing). I've personally seen rocks and dust brought back from the moon, seen the capsules that have returned, met the people who have come back and seen how it affected them physiologically.
There's a legitimate debate on whether we should spend the money we do on the space program (on of the more significant reasons for our national debt of the last several decades), but there is no serious argument that can be made insinuating we never actually went. None.
At all. End of story.
I dont know if anyones mentioned this so feel free to bump this. But the mythbusters did a whole episode about this and you can watch it on surfthechannel.com.
Life itself is a hoax.
I've been keeping this a secret since I was a kid, but actually the photo in the OP was taken in my backyard by my Dad, who designed and built much of the instrumentation for the Apollo craft but never had time to water the grass...
We were all sworn to secrecy, failure to do so would result in the revocation of our company swimming pool rights - which in the summer would be intolerable. But after all this time I feel compelled to set the record straight before I'm disappeared by men from the black helicopters.
But I'll never divulge where Jimmy Hoffa is buried.
TS Jamie :-)
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Originally Posted by Clind
I do hope you realise that this picture and the hundreds like it were taken in the middle of a desert in Arizona. Where else are you going to conduct training exercises in a terrain similar to that of the lunar surface?
fakeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeee
So nobody watches Mythbusters? They settled this pretty well a few months ago.
Erm...excuse me? And which of these amazing magical telescopes actually exists?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anubis1079
The largest Optical telescope in the world is only 10 meters in diameter, it would probably be just as expensive to build the required telescope as it would cost to go there and take a picture with a normal camera.
Hubble isn't able to picture it either.
http://calgary.rasc.ca/moonscope.htm
http://www.pa.msu.edu/people/frenchj...ndingsite.html
The landing area:
http://www.pa.msu.edu/people/frenchj...9pixelview.jpg
Strong disagree. Some might be, but I'd say judging by some of the responses on this board that the people blindly swearing it's the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and anybody with any sort of alternative view must be some kind of crackpot suggests they are the ones being deliberately ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belgie
Isn't categorising the theorists as nutballs akin to BNP categorising homosexuals as un-normal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Belgie
There IS a difference between watching a rocket go out of orbit and said rocket actually landing on the moon you know. Sending more rockets up into space doesn't = moon landings genuine either.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
I'm not trying to argue they were faked or were real, I just find that a lot of people who seem to so confidently believe it was real never have much of an argument as to why, and can't resist putting it down to "crackpot loonies" the second they read the words "conspiracy theory".
This kind of response for example is incredibly ignorant. Why is everything getting lumped together? Just because a person might be taken by persuasive arguments against something like the moonlandings doesn't mean they also subscribe to redneck psychobabble about aliens and holocausts and grassy knolls. Not everybody subscribes to the National Enquirer you know.Quote:
I never pinned Meghan as being that ignorant. I wonder if THAT photo was faked! Why not post the evidence as to why the holocaust didn't happen? Or would you rather tell me about how the aliens built the pyramids.
I personally can't bear to. Those hosts are hideous and mangae to make a fairly interesting sounding show a wretched pain to sit through.Quote:
So nobody watches Mythbusters? They settled this pretty well a few months ago.
They did. Myth busted, as far as I'm concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by vanessabutterflygirl
soviets were the first people at space.
soviets were the first going around earth.
when they asked them why didn't you go to moon they anwser...
because its impossible:
1) the cosmic dust will cause death as soon as you get outside of magnetic field of earth.
2) the suits of that time wasn't anything more than just a suit to avoid cold and losing oxygent, just a simple suit of aluminium and a few other materials.
3) the control room of that time hadn't no more power than a today's computer. (can you send a space ship to space with just a computer notimes?)
4) why do they send any space ship now to the moon? they can't because they never did!!!
5) Soviets said bravo to NASA for what they have archive because nobody could do it. off course nobody couldn't that time nobody can't this time.
money is not the reason because the project it cost less that the money that congress gave to save USA banks.
to pitty that people, not even they don't want to hear the other opinion but they dont want to hear any other opinion at all.
I find it hilarious that most of you have NO IDEA (except what you've been TOLD) what the 60s were like, but feel confident in arguing what happened!!!
I hate to be repetitive, but I have colleagues who have pinged laser signals off the mirror arrays that astronauts have placed on the Moon. The mirrors are essential for this experiment to work. No mirrors, no "echo". How did the mirror arrays appear on the lunar landscape at the precise sites that NASA claims to have visited? The answer is simple. NASA put them there.
For me, that evidence alone pretty much nails the case closed (though there is of course loads of other evidence some of which contributors here have mentioned).
Of course not everything that goes into space goes to the moon, as Nintendo has pointed out. But only the fact that some things do can reasonably explain how all the different mirror arrays suddenly appeared on the lunar surface exactly where and exactly when NASA said they would.
It also true, as Nintendo asserts, that disbelievers in the manned moon missions are labeled as crackpots and their evidence is never considered. It’s also true that the patent offices around the world, with good reason, deny patents to all purveyors of perpetual motion machines without so much as glancing at the plans. Some things are just a waste of time and effort. On the other hand, I do believe Cardinal Bellarmine can be rightly criticized for refusing to look through Galileo’s telescope. I think a comparison of the behaviors of the world’s patent offices and Cardinal Bellarmine would make for an interesting discussion. One difference is the patent offices base their behavior on a well established principle known the second law of thermodynamics. Bellarmine was merely fearful of being deceived.
I think pushing aside the evidence of the mirrored arrays is a lot like Bellarmine refusing to peer into the eyepiece of Galileo’s telescope. There lot’s of evidence that the Sun is the dynamical center of the solar system. But the telescopic evidence was a clincher. The existence of mirror arrays on the Moon appearing exactly when and where NASA said they would appear is a clincher.
i dont think anyone has ever doubted that there were quite a few unmaned missions to the moon which is of course a perfectly valid explanation for the reflectors
iirc when apollo 11 swung into orbit some russian unmaned lander was already there
OK....There are MORONS running around this thread!!!
Well you got me, muhmuh: a consistent explanation is that rovers could’ve been responsible for the placement of the mirrors. It is not, however, the simplest explanation nor the one that coheres with the other facts mentioned by others in this thread. For one, it’s an explanation that requires an expensive and elaborate conspiracy involving not only astronauts but a hoard of mission specialists who have kept the secret after all these years.
Bellarmine got Galileo as well. Even if the Copernican system greatly simplifies the paths that planets take through the heavens, and even if it coheres with observational evidence, it’s still consistent that the Earth could be at the center of the Solar System and everything goes around it in circles with loopy epicycles.
The conspiracy theory requires that rover technology in the late sixties be such that a NASA technician can remotely scoop up soil samples, pick up rocks, take pictures from different locations and perspectives, and oh yes deploy a mirror array. The conspiracy theory requires the cooperation of the astronauts (how many were there altogether?). It requires the cooperation of the ground crews, or an elaborate scheme to keep them in the dark even though they’re the ones operating all the robotic controls. I’m not saying these difficulties can’t be overcome, or that they alone disprove the conspiracy theory. What I am saying is that these difficulties are the loopy epicycles that are required of a conspiracy theory.
We know there are mirrored arrays on the moon. Bellarmine would not have acknowledged that because he would have refused to ping them. We know the arrays appeared exactly on cue; i.e. when and where NASA said they would. Any honest account of humankind’s role in lunar history has to explain how they got there. The simplest explanation for the existence of the mirrors is the one given by NASA: the televised manned teams placed them there. Any other explanation has to contend with all the loopy epicycles.
BTW happy thanksgiving everyone.
wasnt all of that except the mirrors bit supposedly done in a studio?Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
also why deploy it? all the lander has to do is get down right way up and you could mount the reflector on top of it... a great engineering solution very much unlike bicycle pants
youre making the mistake of seeing the mirrors as part of an entire web instead of as isolated events for which compared to the massive combined mercury gemini and apollo effort a unmaned lander is a much simpler explanationQuote:
The simplest explanation for the existence of the mirrors is the one given by NASA: the televised manned teams placed them there.
Will a moderator please close this thread. I can't put up with the idocracy any longer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RXrK...aynext_from=PL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU5Yy...132F02&index=5
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