The Landscape Of TS Escort Fees & Your Thoughts On It.

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04-28-2008
Shining Star

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Originally Posted by Danny partridge

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Originally Posted by Shining Star

In a way it is sad many of the non-working trannie bars are gone. It would free up men who don't wish to pay, to meet girls who don't charge, and leave the market to those who wish to play the game. I mean with all the St8 and gay bars in the world, there still are GGs and men who are paid good money for escorting. Even the Internet hasn't changed things that much.

You see it creeping into discussions all the time here: how many "all TS are hookers" discussion have there been because the only TS that most of the guys have ever seen are in the business?

Oh there are non-working trannies out there. Just that so many are not comfortable with what the scene has become, they avoid going out to dedicated trannie bars, parties and such.
04-28-2008
slinky

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Originally Posted by Shining Star

Have said it before, one must remember not every top girl or boy is there for long. If one is ever lucky enough to attend a party at the Playboy mansion, you will see lots of "older" women who were "hot" in their days as porn queens, escorts and such, now basically hanging around for any guy to throw them a bone. Sure these women are only in their 30's or even 40's, but by industry standards they are old women. Guys want the hot 18 year olds from the Mid-West or where ever the new girls are coming from. Same with gay escorts/porn stars. Again visit over on Rentboy.com and other such sites and you will see some famous named models escorting. Maybe some great legends command top dollars, others go for what they can get. .

You mentioned site like TER before: perhaps it's very different on the TS section, but in the GG sections, it's FULL of older girls (in fact it seems like most of the prominent female posters are older girls). I've joked that some of these girls had to become prostitutes because it's the only way they could get laid because if they went to singles bars no one would look twice at them.
04-28-2008
slinky

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Originally Posted by Shining Star

Oh there are non-working trannies out there. Just that so many are not comfortable with what the scene has become, they avoid going out to dedicated trannie bars, parties and such.

Agreed. Like I said in the "99% of shemales are hookers" thread:

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Originally Posted by Danny partridge

99% or more of the girls on Eros are hookers, too.

If your only exposure to transsexuals is through portals where girls go to advertise themselves, then yes, you're going to find a high percentage of them selling themselves. It's sort of a corollary of the old Willie Sutton "Why do you rob banks? Because that's where the money is". Try hanging out is places where none of the TS's are working girls and your view will change.
04-28-2008
slinky

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

Danny I would say that you are indeed correct on your last statement.

Unless you are pumped with Viagra, Cialis, etc- or NOT on hormones it is virtually impossible to get hard and ejeculate with every client.

I knew a male escort once who was very busy and his cao was 5 clients a day because he could not cum more than five times a day- and at the end he was exhausted. And for gay escorts, cumming is a must.

TS cutomers want a girl who looks flawlessly undetectable, smooth, feminine with a hard cock that shoots like Peter North. Now that might exist- but that is vistually impossible if you are taking homones and maitining your feminine apperance.

As well for a GG is is SOOOOOOO much easer for her to fake if the guy is completely hideous to her or not turning her on at all. A TS can't do that.

So I would say TS work is much harder, in the terms of preassure to perform.

Cause all ALL of oyu guys know, you all have times when your dick just ont budge- and that is in a no preassure, cassual sexual encounter.

This is why I haven't really tried to recruit TS for the cam sites* which I bug all the girls to work for us: a GG can do 25 shows a day, but a TS can't make good money even at the higher end of the spectrum (about $10 a minute) because every guy wants a money shot.

* know there are TS cam sites, but a lot more have triid and failed than have succeeded. Same for the gay sites, except for some of the niches like bodybuilders who can stand an pose all day long.
04-28-2008
Shining Star

I've heard about those houses off and or Roosevelt Avenue. From what I hear lots of those girls are part of human traffic rings, brought in to "work". Much as are other criminal rings bringing in Russian/Eastern European women and those from Asia as well.

As for the Interent equalising things, well yes, your average woman in need of cash would die of humliation being seen say on a stroll, or going into a bar known for escorts, but running an ad is another story. There was even a character on "Desparate Housewives" who worked out of her surburban home.

CL fits in well with part timers for reasons I mentioned before. If you have a reputation to protect, you probably aren't going to want to reveal your ID and sign papers for Eros.com or some such site. Just think of a situation where a woman is threatened with loosing her children and the husband serves Eros.com with papers. Mind you it does not prove the woman was prossing, but it does not look good for a "respectable" woman either.
04-28-2008
slinky

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Originally Posted by Shining Star

I've heard about those houses off and or Roosevelt Avenue. From what I hear lots of those girls are part of human traffic rings, brought in to "work". Much as are other criminal rings bringing in Russian/Eastern European women and those from Asia as well.

While that does exist, it's is nowhere near the epic proportions that the unholy alliance of left wing do gooders and right wing Puritans makes it out to be. In fact, the NY Times Magazine article which pretty much kicked off the whole thing has been widely discredited as having the facts just plain made up out of whole cloth:

http://www.slate.com/id/2094646/

Sex Slaves of West 43rd StreetThe New York Times Magazine gets carried away in its investigation

What is also being kept hush-hush is that part of the "loyalty oath" that Third World countries have to sign to get US Foreign Aid says that they have to "stamp out" the sex business in their countries. About 2 years ago, in The DR they closed all of the brothels in Santo Domingo, prompting one of the Supreme Court justices to ponder "Why are they doing this? These businesses are legal" (in fact, they were government regulated). In India, one of the best outreach centers for working women was denied aid because the head (a woman) refused to condemn the women who were being helped for being prostitutes. I could go on and on (yeah, yeah "you already have", I know).
04-28-2008
RueMue

I am sorry

As the matter is *almost* done and out of consideration for running operations all postings were removed by the author/s.

This is also my final appeal to stop all illegal activities.
04-28-2008
glenntinnyc

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you want a ferrari then you pay for one you want a fiero you pay less, simple as that. They both start with an F and have seats and tires but we all know the diiference.
04-28-2008
AverageJob

anything over $150 is absurd and can be easily replaced with a $4 porn rental
04-28-2008
needsum

I am someone who has experience with GG escorts, and one individual experience with a TS escort. Im a member of another board where we share and discuss info on escorts, about who provides quality service vs. lousy service, what the rates are, etc.

From my experience there, it seems that the most "popular" rate guys are ok with paying is about $200. There is an acceptance to paying more, but there is also an overwhelming requirement from most guys that when paying $200 or more for an hour, there are a few stipulations that go with it.

Most men want the GFE, or "girlfriend experience" There is a bit of interpretation when deciding just what GFE means, but in general it means kissing, multiple "pops" in the given timeframe paid for, and the highly controversial to this site "BBBJ" (or bareback blowjob).

It seems that from between $200 and $250 there are plenty of GG's, whether agency girls or indy, who will provide this GFE service. While not breaking the bank, $250 is a lot of money and when spending it, it's nice to know that you can generally expect the kind of encounter you're hoping for. I don't know anyone who is OK with shelling that money out for 5 minutes worth of pumping and then leaving when he cums. To me, that form of assisted masturbation is not worth any amount of money.

I know there are all sorts of people out there. there are those with intimacy issues who would most likely go with a "cheaper" girl just to get a nut off and then be able to leave without hassle. There are girls out there who charge by the 15 min, half hour and hour, giving these types of clients the opportunity to get what they want. I guess in doing things this way these girls are taking advantage of the current market and making the best of it.

But for me, and a lot of guys like me, it's not about the sex, or busting a nut. It's a substitute for something thats lacking in our lives. I will go see a girl maybe 2-3 times a year when I feel the need to connect with someone on a deeper, more intimate level. I will research and choose someone with whom I feel a visual connection, but also someone that I know will take the time to talk with me and make the experience more memorable and pleasureable. I want to enter the room knowing that while I'm there, it's just about the two of us, and if I've booked an hour then the whole hour is spent in whatever way we engage it. If we have sex for the whole hour, thats great. But maybe we will kiss, fondle, share a little oral and caress and talk for the hour, and that is great as well. Again, for me it's not about cumming, it's about the experience as a whole. So if I'm going to get that intimacy, then I'm ok with paying a little more. I've actually been fortunate in that the last girl I saw was the girl I've been searching for. I've seen her a couple times now and have not ventured anywhere else since meeting her the first time. She comes to my area every so often and when she's not here we keep in touch via email. Shes a wonderful woman and we have a terriffic friendship.

As for TS escorts, I feel the same way. If I'm going to call on a TS escort, my wish and expectation is that I'm going to have a enjoyable time, not just get a glorified handjob and then get rushed out the door. I've read many jaded viewpoints on here about how some of you gurls feel regarding escorting and treating it as a means to an end only. And thats ok, you do what you will, it's your life and you have to make the very best of it. Just know that not all of us out here are looking to just fuck you and split. Even if you are an escort, it doesn't mean that there cannot be some sort of a connection made and a nice, sensual time had between us.

The bottom line is, for me, if you're going to be in this business and are planning on charging more $$ than your competitors, then have something to offer more than just a simply sexual few minutes. Because if you do, the guy looking for a quick bang will go find that CL skank or that streetwalker. Which clears out the slobs and leaves you with the rest of us, who are the guys you want to have as clients.

Just my :2cent
04-28-2008
IsuckTgirlCock

I always would pay them even more than they asked, that way Id get VIP service whenever I called them again, theyd always see me anytime, theyd answer my calls when theyd see my number calling, they put me at the top of the list of 'johns'......thats if i really liked the tgirl. And id tip them extra esp if they would cum.
as long as they give the guy a good experience they should charge at least 300 minimum i think, more for the star quality ones. Ive dropped 1k on them before for 1hr basically of service (say thanks Yasmin) and much more than that for regular girls in vegas.
then again if they charge too much, most tgirl admirers cant afford to see them for more than 150, so they wont get as many suckers like me calling
04-28-2008
spt6969

Price is relative to the service, attitude and amount of time, friendliness and location. It is a risk for both parties at some level; I have found too often regardless of gender that it is a straight business transaction which I do not enjoy. I have been fortunate to meet a few girls who had a great attitude, were friendly and really were a GFE. Maybe I am naive, but I prefer a GFE and over the years have developed a relationship with some girls and have seen them for multiple years. As with any thing in life, you get what yo pay for. What I hate is to pay more money and get less, as I am sure the ladies feel when some slob walks in the door!
04-28-2008
slinky

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Originally Posted by AverageJob

anything over $150 is absurd and can be easily replaced with a $4 porn rental

For the guys that feel like this: When there are no girls around for $150, do you go to peep shows and get blown thru glory holes? I mean, it's a BJ from a person with an XY chromosome, so it's all the same, right?
04-28-2008
slinky

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Originally Posted by needsum

I am someone who has experience with GG escorts, and one individual experience with a TS escort. Im a member of another board where we share and discuss info on escorts, about who provides quality service vs. lousy service, what the rates are, etc.

From my experience there, it seems that the most "popular" rate guys are ok with paying is about $200. There is an acceptance to paying more, but there is also an overwhelming requirement from most guys that when paying $200 or more for an hour, there are a few stipulations that go with it.

Most men want the GFE, or "girlfriend experience" There is a bit of interpretation when deciding just what GFE means, but in general it means kissing, multiple "pops" in the given timeframe paid for, and the highly controversial to this site "BBBJ" (or bareback blowjob).

It seems that from between $200 and $250 there are plenty of GG's, whether agency girls or indy, who will provide this GFE service. While not breaking the bank, $250 is a lot of money and when spending it, it's nice to know that you can generally expect the kind of encounter you're hoping for. I don't know anyone who is OK with shelling that money out for 5 minutes worth of pumping and then leaving when he cums. To me, that form of assisted masturbation is not worth any amount of money.

I know there are all sorts of people out there. there are those with intimacy issues who would most likely go with a "cheaper" girl just to get a nut off and then be able to leave without hassle. There are girls out there who charge by the 15 min, half hour and hour, giving these types of clients the opportunity to get what they want. I guess in doing things this way these girls are taking advantage of the current market and making the best of it.

But for me, and a lot of guys like me, it's not about the sex, or busting a nut. It's a substitute for something thats lacking in our lives. I will go see a girl maybe 2-3 times a year when I feel the need to connect with someone on a deeper, more intimate level. I will research and choose someone with whom I feel a visual connection, but also someone that I know will take the time to talk with me and make the experience more memorable and pleasureable. I want to enter the room knowing that while I'm there, it's just about the two of us, and if I've booked an hour then the whole hour is spent in whatever way we engage it. If we have sex for the whole hour, thats great. But maybe we will kiss, fondle, share a little oral and caress and talk for the hour, and that is great as well. Again, for me it's not about cumming, it's about the experience as a whole. So if I'm going to get that intimacy, then I'm ok with paying a little more. I've actually been fortunate in that the last girl I saw was the girl I've been searching for. I've seen her a couple times now and have not ventured anywhere else since meeting her the first time. She comes to my area every so often and when she's not here we keep in touch via email. Shes a wonderful woman and we have a terriffic friendship.

As for TS escorts, I feel the same way. If I'm going to call on a TS escort, my wish and expectation is that I'm going to have a enjoyable time, not just get a glorified handjob and then get rushed out the door. I've read many jaded viewpoints on here about how some of you gurls feel regarding escorting and treating it as a means to an end only. And thats ok, you do what you will, it's your life and you have to make the very best of it. Just know that not all of us out here are looking to just fuck you and split. Even if you are an escort, it doesn't mean that there cannot be some sort of a connection made and a nice, sensual time had between us.

The bottom line is, for me, if you're going to be in this business and are planning on charging more $$ than your competitors, then have something to offer more than just a simply sexual few minutes. Because if you do, the guy looking for a quick bang will go find that CL skank or that streetwalker. Which clears out the slobs and leaves you with the rest of us, who are the guys you want to have as clients.

Just my :2cent

While I agree with most of what you are saying, even at the $250 level you don't get really good looking girls who give good service (yes, there's a big argument about this: lots of guys who see girls at this level claim the girls are great looking. But if you would show their pics to guys outside the scene as "normal" girls, you'd get a very different opinion).

Basically, there's a matrix of Looks, Service, Price and Availability. You get to pick up to three of those, but then the market forces the rest on you. So, for example, if you want a girl for $250 with great service who is generally available, the market will force "looks" on you. If you want a great looking girl for $250, the market will force performance on you. If you want a great looking girl who gives great service and is available, the market will force price on you.
04-28-2008
rocklob

Here in Hawaii the escorting is sparce, so when a girl comes over from the mainland they routinely get $300/hr. I am willing to pay this, especially for a date with Mia Fever, or Veronica Loren. But recently I saw a girl, paid her $300 up front, and I was clearly too old or unattractive for her. It was the most underwhelming hour I've ever spent with a tgirl escort. I felt like I wasted my money. I know all experiences can't be earth shattering, but the jerk and rush out the door trick really pisses me off at that price range (or any for that matter).
04-28-2008
needsum

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Originally Posted by Danny partridge

While I agree with most of what you are saying, even at the $250 level you don't get really good looking girls who give good service (yes, there's a big argument about this: lots of guys who see girls at this level claim the girls are great looking. But if you would show their pics to guys outside the scene as "normal" girls, you'd get a very different opinion).

Basically, there's a matrix of Looks, Service, Price and Availability. You get to pick up to three of those, but then the market forces the rest on you. So, for example, if you want a girl for $250 with great service who is generally available, the market will force "looks" on you. If you want a great looking girl for $250, the market will force performance on you. If you want a great looking girl who gives great service and is available, the market will force price on you.

I can see your point on this one. But I think if you're not looking for the JEnna Jameson or Jennifer Paris of the escorting world every time, you still don't have to sacrifice looks to get the whole package. The girl I've been seeing is by all accounts a knock-out--amazing body, really cute face, and so totally open sexually that pretty much nothing is off limits, and she only charges $200/hr. AND shes a total sweetheart. But you're right--in general, you end up sacrificing something to get something else.

Beren there done that more than once.
04-29-2008
slinky

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Originally Posted by needsum

I can see your point on this one. But I think if you're not looking for the JEnna Jameson or Jennifer Paris of the escorting world every time, you still don't have to sacrifice looks to get the whole package. The girl I've been seeing is by all accounts a knock-out--amazing body, really cute face, and so totally open sexually that pretty much nothing is off limits, and she only charges $200/hr. AND shes a total sweetheart. But you're right--in general, you end up sacrificing something to get something else.

And the fourth item: is she generally available? Openly advertises where guys can find her, and can be reached on reasonably short notice?

PS "pretty much nothing is off limits". So she takes and gives anal creampies?
04-29-2008
jessrabitchaser

Re: The Landscape Of TS Escort Fees & Your Thoughts On

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

Recently, there has been some talk on here about providers raising there prices to levels which are usally charged by elite GG escorts. Understandably, there has been some back lash, as well as those who understand that a free market, means just that. You are free to charge what you please for your service.

I can totally understand this backlash towards a higher fee- as men who frequent ts escorts are simply NOT USED to paying that kind of money.

I should know very well. I've worked at all spectrums of the escorting business from working to an agency, to different price points, to at several times demanding the most expensive fee on Eros by a TS.

I once met an elderly gentleman years ago who hired me to visit him. Back then I believe the fee was $500 for the house visit. As we got to talking he pulled out a stack of Polaroid next to his bed. The Polaroid consisted of some of the most well known GG porn stars and escorts at the time.This was a gentleman who probably saw three-five escorts a week and had the means to do it. As part of their session he would ask the lady to pose for a Polaroid for him. In the stack was a Polaroid of XXX Star Houston- whom he told me he had paid $2,000 an hour for, with a two hour minimum. At that point I felt slightly cheated. Here I was @ 500 and she was getting 4k from the same guy. Of course I was no Houston and could not command that- she was at one point one of the most famous XXX actresses in the mainstream. But it did certainly made me think of why GG prices are for the most part higher than TS prices.

I think this has to do mainly with immigration and the girls themselves setting the standards of their worth. In recent years there has been an influx of many TS on the net from other countries. Because these ladies obviously lived in different cultures and had different needs in their country, the money they can make, even though below the average of GG standards is still a hell of a lot more than they would ever make in their countries. With this they can probably lead comfortable lives in the US and of course help their families back home. The value of $100 I think is different from someone who came from a developing country than to a middle class American. I am sure if I was here fresh from Cuba, given the conditions people live in Cuba, I would be more than thrilled to be making $100 an hour.

This same point has been spoken to me about the influx of South American TS now in France, Spain, and Italy- who will for the most part charge much less and do much more than their native counter parts.

The other factor is Craigslist. Which in my opinion is ruining the online escorting business. It's street prostitution brought online. The Internet was a place where the higher priced call girls where and the more upscale clients. Craigslist to me is sad. I see girls with rates of $50, $60, $80 which is just unbelievable to me. I recall when I first came to NYC the going rate was $150 for EVERYONE. Unless of course on the street. And the sad part is that GG usually still charge more than TS on Craigs! I just can't believe how much prices have dropped on Craigs- and the only assumption I can make is that street girls have moved indoors are on Craigslist now.

Is it because we do not know our self worth or because we are afraid to raise out rates in fear that the phone will stop riging? It really should be the other way around. Transsexual providers should be worth more money as we are much less common than GGs population wise. We are indeed a specialty The business alone of a sex worker can be a very dangerous one. You put yourself at great risks in many aspects. And I think the business of being a TS sex worker is even more dangerous and high risk. Yet most girls still charge less money than GGs.

Partly the customers know this- customers who will spend a lot more with a GG will simply, for the most part, spend a lot less on a transsexual. Because they know what the 'going' rates are and can simply call the next girl.

From a personal view point- as my fees when I do tour are clearly much higher and the highest in the city at that time. I do certainly alienate a lot of potential visitors. But as I grew wiser- I really appreciate quantity over quality in any thing I do in my life. I'd rather own one great high end hand bag I can wear for six months than buy 40 cheap ones I can wear every day. I'd rather deal with a few nice guys then have to grind out 10 guys a day like a chop chop factory. But that is just my view point.

The beauty of capitalism is that you can really charge whatever you think your service is worth. Wether or not you may get someone to pay for it is a different story all together- but still you can charge whatever you wish.

I don't think that all ts escorts are going to run out and raise their prices. And I do think he more high profile girls can and some will succeed, BUT, I have seen many raise their rates to a very high price point then bring it back down to their old normal rate.

There are two types of girls who can charge a lot more. The porn star who is well known, famous in her genre, therefore her fans will pay to meet her at her price- and the well known escort, whose claim to fame, is just that- being an escort. I frankly laugh at GG and TS escort ads that say 'European model' or 'fashion model', or 'former Elite model'- truth be told any successful, working model is NOT running an escort ad anywhere. I'll take that back the day I see Kate Moss on Eros.

If anyone is successful and creating their own hype and marketing it- more power to them. Sometimes that hype is totally baseless though and will quickly fade. Longevity and success in any business is impetuous.One day your are hot the next day you are not (I know how cheesy that sounds but it is VERY true). Will you be a one hit wonder or be a star in your own right for a long time? I anyone needs to know what makes a success in an image based business all they have to do is take a look at Madonna, reinvention is the key.

With that being said. people should not be upset because anyone wishes to charge 5k an hour or 2K- that is there choice, as well as it is your choice not to pay it. In any market there are goods and price points for everyone.

Just as there is a demand and need for a $100 TS escort, they is also a demand for the $1000 escort.

But do remember the biggest re tailor is the world is Walmart and not Gucci.

Thoughts?????

So I ask you, hypothetically, what do you think about all of this.
Would you be a customer looking for the best bargain, or are you willing to pay
a higher amount for the girl you want to meet?

YES and I know some of you claim they would never pay for an escort- that's fine. But lets leave this as hypothetical question.

I would say there are barely even a handful of exotic ts's worth even $500
04-29-2008
qeuqheeg222

and sometimes the higher cost factor up doesnt necessarily mean better service....the looks might be better(if the girl keeps her fotos on eros updated everyso often..wink)a 200 or 300 dollar girl may have had a bad day or might not like yourold-fat-bald-bottom-ass-cuz she came like uh like uh five times today-the best head ive ever received was from a gg and it was only $40..yes she had all her teeth...however i dont want to hijack things with the "who gives better head-ts or gg"drama...
04-29-2008
qeuqheeg222

or some of you could gather up the balls to find out where some of these tgirls might congregate(clubs) and try and get some there...ive gotten quite a bit for free this way.....with mixed results in the sack...two tops,holdin their cocks and starin down the other person at 530 a.m. aint a gfe experience but hey i got a good bj,..
04-29-2008
needsum

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Originally Posted by Danny partridge

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Originally Posted by needsum

I can see your point on this one. But I think if you're not looking for the JEnna Jameson or Jennifer Paris of the escorting world every time, you still don't have to sacrifice looks to get the whole package. The girl I've been seeing is by all accounts a knock-out--amazing body, really cute face, and so totally open sexually that pretty much nothing is off limits, and she only charges $200/hr. AND shes a total sweetheart. But you're right--in general, you end up sacrificing something to get something else.

And the fourth item: is she generally available? Openly advertises where guys can find her, and can be reached on reasonably short notice?

PS "pretty much nothing is off limits". So she takes and gives anal creampies?

Well, her schedule is perfect for me. Like I said I don't hobby every week, it's only an occasional thing for me, and I'd been with many, many different girls until I met her, and she just happened to be the culmination of everything I was looking for in an escort. She comes to my area once in a while and when she does she lets all her regular clilents know, as well as posting an ad for others to see, but she books up really fast so her availability is based on how quick you are at dialing your phone.

As for the give/receive creampie thing, thats a no, because all penetration is covered and the only cum swapping is when I shoot into her mouth. And she's not a TS, she's a GG, so for her to give me an anal creampie would have to be something of a miracle . . .

But she loves anal, being rimmed, sucking cock/swallowing, deep passionate kissing, fucking in every position. Loves to fuck again and again, she cums often and hard and loves it. When I cum she works hard to get me going again so I can fuck her some more. She does doubles with another girl if requested, and I'm sure that if I wanted her to we would get into some really kinky stuff. But as it is she fulfills everything I've been looking for so I have zero complaints.
04-29-2008
AverageJob

[quote="Danny partridge"]

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Originally Posted by AverageJob

For the guys that feel like this: When there are no girls around for $150, do you go to peep shows and get blown thru glory holes? I mean, it's a BJ from a person with an XY chromosome, so it's all the same, right?

No, I give myself an HJ wilst watching the latest tgirl flick
05-04-2008
hi2u2

I only sleep with TG escorts that charge more than the rest. With more money comes more service, such as custom outfits and fantasies. This is my whole reason for seeing an escort in the first place.
05-04-2008
hugochavez

NO escort, GG or TS, is worth more than $500. Even $1,000 for porn star GG escorts is crazy.
05-04-2008
tsntx

just bc YOU cant afford something doesnt mean its not WORTH that... wtf are any of yall to say what someones body is worth? if you dont think it is you certainly DONT have to see that girl but you for sure dont need to be saying it... yall sound like a bunch of broke assholes that shop at walmart telling the sales lady at the rolex store her shit isnt worth anymore than the gay ass swatch watch you got on....
05-04-2008
tstv_lover

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Originally Posted by tsntx

just bc YOU cant afford something doesnt mean its not WORTH that... wtf are any of yall to say what someones body is worth? if you dont think it is you certainly DONT have to see that girl but you for sure dont need to be saying it... yall sound like a bunch of broke assholes that shop at walmart telling the sales lady at the rolex store her shit isnt worth anymore than the gay ass swatch watch you got on....

Bottom line is that there are 2 types of guys here. One type looks for a meaningful relationship with commitment, time, emotions, affection and love. They wouldn't pay anything because they're after more than sex.

Then there are the guys looking purely for sex. For them it's just sex, illusion of GFE, "no strings" affair, etc and it's simply a matter of negotiating a mutually acceptable price. Girls servicing these clients take what the market will bear.
05-04-2008
hwbs

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Originally Posted by tsntx

just bc YOU cant afford something doesnt mean its not WORTH that... wtf are any of yall to say what someones body is worth? if you dont think it is you certainly DONT have to see that girl but you for sure dont need to be saying it... yall sound like a bunch of broke assholes that shop at walmart telling the sales lady at the rolex store her shit isnt worth anymore than the gay ass swatch watch you got on....

anyone that knows watches knows swatch rules the watch game because they own ETA....just playin with u jen ...muahhhhh :)
05-04-2008
OEMEnemyNum1

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Originally Posted by tsntx

just bc YOU cant afford something doesnt mean its not WORTH that... wtf are any of yall to say what someones body is worth? if you dont think it is you certainly DONT have to see that girl but you for sure dont need to be saying it... yall sound like a bunch of broke assholes that shop at walmart telling the sales lady at the rolex store her shit isnt worth anymore than the gay ass swatch watch you got on....

Whoa Whoa Whoa Jen, I am offended now.......I shop at Target thank you very much

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05-05-2008
needsum

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Originally Posted by tsntx

just bc YOU cant afford something doesnt mean its not WORTH that... wtf are any of yall to say what someones body is worth? if you dont think it is you certainly DONT have to see that girl but you for sure dont need to be saying it... yall sound like a bunch of broke assholes that shop at walmart telling the sales lady at the rolex store her shit isnt worth anymore than the gay ass swatch watch you got on....

HAHAHAHAHA YESS!!!! You are way funny Jen, I love it!
05-05-2008
NYTSJulie

I dont care if a girl asks for 5k and a cheese burger to spend an hour with her.

I dont like when girls down sell. No girl should do a call for less the $250, no matter what she looks like, it keeps the market up. I get calls all the time where the guy has $100 or $150 bucks. Sorry but I wont piss on someone for that amount.

Back when I was an entrepreneur and ran my own little stable of girls in the mid-west I charged $250 for a TS. No one was bothered by the $250, it was the going rate and people expected to pay that rate. I was looking on Craigs List the other day and saw one of the girls who used to work for me asking $80 bucks for a call. I felt bad and was almost embarrassed for her.
05-05-2008
ARMANIXXX

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05-05-2008
ohioguy13

whatever the price just tell me your rate. This new trend of this $$ would make me happy but this $$would make me happier is opening the negotiations. then when you ask the difference between the prices quoted in an ad on eros or craigs dont get all bent out of shape. just quote a price and stick to it. when you ladies print two prices is when your going to get guys negotiating or trying to becuase you started it . Its confusing at best
05-05-2008
nohj68

My usual limit is $300 and that's pushing it but I've done it. The most I ever spent, and this was to "treat" myself was $600 for a GG in NYC. She was fun, a nice girl, but not worth $600. She was up for anything and wasn't a "clock watcher" but I felt like she was putting on some bad act. Remember that crazy girl from "Threes Company" Lonna, the one always horny for Jack? That's what she reminded me of. Just relax and try to be yourself, sometimes that works, too.

Like I said, $300 is pushing it and that's for a GG and a TS. I've done it for both, but only based on great reviews.
05-05-2008
NYTSJulie

I never negotiate on my rate. Although sometime when I travel I will charge more, if I go to a city and my phone blows up. There is no way I am gonna have time to see everyone who is calling in that city, so I charge more and get the guys with deeper pockets. My out call rate is the same hourly rate and I charge that rate while I am traveling to see someone. So if its an hour drive to see someone I charge for 3 hours, one hour drive there, hour with the client, hour drive back.
05-06-2008
wombat33

Re: The Landscape Of TS Escort Fees & Your Thoughts On

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

Recently, there has been some talk on here about providers raising there prices to levels which are usally charged by elite GG escorts. Understandably, there has been some back lash, as well as those who understand that a free market, means just that. You are free to charge what you please for your service.

I can totally understand this backlash towards a higher fee- as men who frequent ts escorts are simply NOT USED to paying that kind of money.

I should know very well. I've worked at all spectrums of the escorting business from working to an agency, to different price points, to at several times demanding the most expensive fee on Eros by a TS.

I once met an elderly gentleman years ago who hired me to visit him. Back then I believe the fee was $500 for the house visit. As we got to talking he pulled out a stack of Polaroid next to his bed. The Polaroid consisted of some of the most well known GG porn stars and escorts at the time.This was a gentleman who probably saw three-five escorts a week and had the means to do it. As part of their session he would ask the lady to pose for a Polaroid for him. In the stack was a Polaroid of XXX Star Houston- whom he told me he had paid $2,000 an hour for, with a two hour minimum. At that point I felt slightly cheated. Here I was @ 500 and she was getting 4k from the same guy. Of course I was no Houston and could not command that- she was at one point one of the most famous XXX actresses in the mainstream. But it did certainly made me think of why GG prices are for the most part higher than TS prices.

I think this has to do mainly with immigration and the girls themselves setting the standards of their worth. In recent years there has been an influx of many TS on the net from other countries. Because these ladies obviously lived in different cultures and had different needs in their country, the money they can make, even though below the average of GG standards is still a hell of a lot more than they would ever make in their countries. With this they can probably lead comfortable lives in the US and of course help their families back home. The value of $100 I think is different from someone who came from a developing country than to a middle class American. I am sure if I was here fresh from Cuba, given the conditions people live in Cuba, I would be more than thrilled to be making $100 an hour.

This same point has been spoken to me about the influx of South American TS now in France, Spain, and Italy- who will for the most part charge much less and do much more than their native counter parts.

The other factor is Craigslist. Which in my opinion is ruining the online escorting business. It's street prostitution brought online. The Internet was a place where the higher priced call girls where and the more upscale clients. Craigslist to me is sad. I see girls with rates of $50, $60, $80 which is just unbelievable to me. I recall when I first came to NYC the going rate was $150 for EVERYONE. Unless of course on the street. And the sad part is that GG usually still charge more than TS on Craigs! I just can't believe how much prices have dropped on Craigs- and the only assumption I can make is that street girls have moved indoors are on Craigslist now.

Is it because we do not know our self worth or because we are afraid to raise out rates in fear that the phone will stop riging? It really should be the other way around. Transsexual providers should be worth more money as we are much less common than GGs population wise. We are indeed a specialty The business alone of a sex worker can be a very dangerous one. You put yourself at great risks in many aspects. And I think the business of being a TS sex worker is even more dangerous and high risk. Yet most girls still charge less money than GGs.

Partly the customers know this- customers who will spend a lot more with a GG will simply, for the most part, spend a lot less on a transsexual. Because they know what the 'going' rates are and can simply call the next girl.

From a personal view point- as my fees when I do tour are clearly much higher and the highest in the city at that time. I do certainly alienate a lot of potential visitors. But as I grew wiser- I really appreciate quantity over quality in any thing I do in my life. I'd rather own one great high end hand bag I can wear for six months than buy 40 cheap ones I can wear every day. I'd rather deal with a few nice guys then have to grind out 10 guys a day like a chop chop factory. But that is just my view point.

The beauty of capitalism is that you can really charge whatever you think your service is worth. Wether or not you may get someone to pay for it is a different story all together- but still you can charge whatever you wish.

I don't think that all ts escorts are going to run out and raise their prices. And I do think he more high profile girls can and some will succeed, BUT, I have seen many raise their rates to a very high price point then bring it back down to their old normal rate.

There are two types of girls who can charge a lot more. The porn star who is well known, famous in her genre, therefore her fans will pay to meet her at her price- and the well known escort, whose claim to fame, is just that- being an escort. I frankly laugh at GG and TS escort ads that say 'European model' or 'fashion model', or 'former Elite model'- truth be told any successful, working model is NOT running an escort ad anywhere. I'll take that back the day I see Kate Moss on Eros.

If anyone is successful and creating their own hype and marketing it- more power to them. Sometimes that hype is totally baseless though and will quickly fade. Longevity and success in any business is impetuous.One day your are hot the next day you are not (I know how cheesy that sounds but it is VERY true). Will you be a one hit wonder or be a star in your own right for a long time? I anyone needs to know what makes a success in an image based business all they have to do is take a look at Madonna, reinvention is the key.

With that being said. people should not be upset because anyone wishes to charge 5k an hour or 2K- that is there choice, as well as it is your choice not to pay it. In any market there are goods and price points for everyone.

Just as there is a demand and need for a $100 TS escort, they is also a demand for the $1000 escort.

But do remember the biggest re tailor is the world is Walmart and not Gucci.

Thoughts?????

So I ask you, hypothetically, what do you think about all of this.
Would you be a customer looking for the best bargain, or are you willing to pay
a higher amount for the girl you want to meet?

YES and I know some of you claim they would never pay for an escort- that's fine. But lets leave this as hypothetical question.

if chicks and ts girls were paying..........I'd gladly charge 110 per hour and never complain. What job out there is gonna pay $100 per hour??

I am just half kidding here of course. You raise some ecxellent points here. In the past I have also paid top dollar for a bums rush session. The girl could tell I was a newbie or just shy and easy going..........and as soon as they saw the $$ they gave me 15 minutes and were like "Thank you , come again".

I also had a few that charged in my opinion way too little and let me stay a long time, almost as if they wanted company. OF course I always added 100 bucks to those ones because the lady deserved it.

For me..........I don't see where anyone should really ask for more than 300 per hour. I think that is a TON of money for a short period of time..........most often less than an hour.

I agree people have the right to charge whatever they want..........why should you ladies be any different than Exxon or Mobil?

If people need it and will pay...........then ask for it I guess.
05-06-2008
slinky

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Originally Posted by NYTSJulie

No girl should do a call for less the $250, no matter what she looks like, it keeps the market up.

This is as bad as the guys who say "no one is worth over $250". Same coin, different side. I guess girls should starve and/or get kicked out of their homes because they can't pay the rent so that other girls can get dates easier.

Whenever some new girl comes to a club, some other girls go "help them" by talking to them about things like what they should charge. Almost invariably, they tell them a number which is more than they charge. So the new girl wonders why the guys at th eclub are so cheap because they won't pay the "going rate", because she's quoting a number which is higher than the guys know they can get from every other girl at the club. And if the new girl doesn't listen, and charges exactly what everyone else charges, when she gets a bunch of business simply because she is "fresh meat" the other girls complain that she's "ruining the business because she's charging too little".

Lets face it, there's no monopoly on pussy (even if it's pussy on a stick), so there is no predatory pricing (go look that one up) in hooking. If a girl is worth what she's charging, other girls who are a class lower who are charging less shouldn't spook anyone.
05-06-2008
slinky

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Originally Posted by NYTSJulie

I get calls all the time where the guy has $100 or $150 bucks. Sorry but I wont piss on someone for that amount.

Aren't water sports usually a premium?
05-06-2008
slinky

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Originally Posted by ohioguy13

whatever the price just tell me your rate. This new trend of this $$ would make me happy but this $$would make me happier is opening the negotiations. then when you ask the difference between the prices quoted in an ad on eros or craigs dont get all bent out of shape. just quote a price and stick to it. when you ladies print two prices is when your going to get guys negotiating or trying to becuase you started it . Its confusing at best

I agree with you 100%. You can't quote different rates and then get all bent out of shape when someone sees that and calls you on it. Also, while most girl tell you they don't negotiate, it's not true. They may not negotiate off of their 1 hour rate, but at some point you have to. If a guys want a weekend rate, is anyone going to add up the hours and multiply by their hourly rate? Or even if they have a weekend rate, how a bout a "3 day" weekend? Since you can't account for every situation, there's bound to be negotiations for off the menu items. This includes services which may be extras, but aren't on the menu.
05-06-2008
slinky

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Originally Posted by nohj68

My usual limit is $300 and that's pushing it but I've done it. The most I ever spent, and this was to "treat" myself was $600 for a GG in NYC. She was fun, a nice girl, but not worth $600. She was up for anything and wasn't a "clock watcher" but I felt like she was putting on some bad act. Remember that crazy girl from "Threes Company" Lonna, the one always horny for Jack? That's what she reminded me of. Just relax and try to be yourself, sometimes that works, too.

Like I said, $300 is pushing it and that's for a GG and a TS. I've done it for both, but only based on great reviews.

It is very often the case that guys are disappointed when they see girls who are at twice their usual maximum. It's natural that your expectations are just set too high because you had to justify to yourself spending twice your usual max.
05-06-2008
slinky

Re: The Landscape Of TS Escort Fees & Your Thoughts On

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Originally Posted by wombat33

I also had a few that charged in my opinion way too little and let me stay a long time, almost as if they wanted company. OF course I always added 100 bucks to those ones because the lady deserved it.

For me..........I don't see where anyone should really ask for more than 300 per hour. I think that is a TON of money for a short period of time..........most often less than an hour.

There have always been girls who charged less than the max they could, for various reasons. One of those reasons is so that they knew there were always going to be more guys wanting to see them than time available, and guys would feel "lucky" that they were able to get an appointment with them. The ex-gf I never got over was/is like this (and she was over $300 per hour). Guys were happy when they got an appointment after trying to book her for 3 months and she finally "fit them into her schedule".

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