Very predictable, a TS Escort minimizing the risk because TS Escorts want money. They are a high risk group, and to think otherwise is foolish.
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Very predictable, a TS Escort minimizing the risk because TS Escorts want money. They are a high risk group, and to think otherwise is foolish.
This is either not sarcastic enough, or the most stupid thing I've heard this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by TsVanessa69
For the second time in as many days, great fucking post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shining Star
As far as "but lately have been edging up, especially amoung younger gays" goes, it has been linked to that population not being exposed to the effects of such behavior (like seeing dozens of your friends die from it), the knowledge that it's no longer an absolute death sentence, and meth usage.
Look,I'll tell you from professional and personal experience that the bottom line is you should wear a rubber,period.I worked with woman before
AZT was introduced.A lot of them were street prostitutes who had heroin addictions.They told me stories about guys giving them an extra $50 to blow
them without a rubber,$100 for vaginal or anal bareback.There were some
TGirls,same deal.They were all homeless,addicted,had hep A,B,C, every STD
going,HIV+.So,forget the stats.You can pass it through saliva into a small sore or cut.One of my ex-girlfriends who's now sober was a horrible heroin addict
and prostitute.She's told me some really crazy stories about guys who didn't
want to wear rubbers after she told them she had Hep.They'd toss her an extra couple hundred,she's really beautiful.Insane.Crazy.People are always
talking about the sexual part but forget the drug element.Put IV drug use together
with multiple sexual partners and you have have walking sexual time bombs.
I've been in the alcohol/drug recovery game for over 20 years and know a lot of Escorts,GGs and TGirls who are HIV+.I know a ton of street girls,GGs and TGirls who are positive.They all still work.Rubbers suck but they'll save your life.
Don't be bbbj Escorts.It's too risky.
You don't know if this girl just did a bag of dope with a nasty needle.
And I'm not saying this to offend anyone.I know some girls that function very well with an addiction.You'd never know.And you don't.
I'm surprised I'm negative with some of the stunts I've pulled.
Just be aware and careful.
In the end youre all prostitutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by TsVanessa69
The link seems fine. Interesting read. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by blacktgirls
While it is good to see the HIV debate and awareness continue on this forum, it is sad to see so many alarmist remarks.
And if 1 in 4 t Girls are HIV positive, then 1 in 2 of their clients are wife cheating pricks.
Well Pal,Seriously,Who Do You Think Their Clients Are?
Quote:
Originally Posted by DC
Thank you both for those links. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotic
Living in San Francisco I can tell you from experience that these figures are definitely on the LOW side. If you knew the truth about these 'girls' you would cut your dick off before you put it into tHEir hole!
Let's get REAL here. These 528 individuals traveled to Rome, Italy for testing. This was not a random sampling the only true statistical means of measuring a population. These people likely already had their own suspicions before travelling a quarter of the way around the globe to be tested.Quote:
Originally Posted by bh_boyy2
If I were to go to a methadone clinic and did a study on percentages of the population with a heroin addiction...would I be surprised that 80% of the peole going to the clinic were such? Could I further extrapolate the figures taken to the general population?
Also 1993-1995 statistics are too dated to be applied to a population that is more informed and connected via internet than those a mere 15 years ago when there was still debate as to whether kissing was a source of transmittal.
Simply put, the study is out of date and not a statistical representation of any population.
The individuals enrolled in the study did not travel a quarter of the way around the globe to be tested ( :shock: ). They lived in Italy and were described as foreign individuals because they did come from other countries, but for other reasons – usually in the search for work. You said that the study population was not a random sampling. You are right. We call this Selection Bias. But this is always the case with non-notifiable diseases, or with HIV+ test results (in Brazil - not sure about USA). Nevertheless, as long as the n (number of individuals) is big enough, careful extrapolations can be made to a population similar to the one enrolled in the study (mainly MtF transsexuals, escorts or non-escorts). This is the reason why I posted another studies (more recent and from the USA). I also posted a systematic review from January 2008. This type of study provides a very reliable source of information, since they assess the results of many other epidemiological studies. The systematic review and all the other studies showed consistent results (HIV prevalence: approx. 25% at least), which is strong evidence that these numbers are real and not only statistical noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aragon21
you are right about the fact that i should never do anything bareback with an escort. when i gave this TS escort a bareback blowjob a year and a half ago, i was ignorant in thinking that a TS escort, especially an american, would have little chance of having HIV as compared to a GG escort. the reason being i assumed GG escorts worked in order to feed drug habits where as i thought TS escorts worked only because of job discrimination. i have little chance of stepping up my game to get a TS girlfriend because first i don't have any game and second i don't have a way into their very tight knit community. i would love to just go bowling , see a movie or hangout with a TS girl............since though this thread is about HIV in the TS community and therefore in the community of those who admire and seek their company my hope is that more federal, state and local money will be given to address the HIV crisis in the TS community through free healthcare....... where they can recieve counseling, safe sex education, hormones , surgeries, and other help to transition along with help getting housing and finding jobs. some big cities do already offer free or low cost std testing and imformation to the TS community. i think a few of the main reasons behind the high rate of HIV infection are:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck
- 1.... a lot of TS girls who escort also have boyfriends who are also in a high risk group, cheat or they too sell sex to gay men to survive.
- 2. ...TS girls share needles with other TS girls to inject hormones or to pump silicone.
.........................http://www.yescenter.org/HIVAIDS_Risk_Factors_Among.pdf
- 3....some escorts who even wear condoms while escorting will almost always as a sign of trust not wear them with their boyfriends.
Dear:
LibertyHarkness, TsVanessa69, Felicia Katt, justatransgirl, 2754tim, rikdik
you looks like angry.
please don't angry because it make you painful just yourself.
I think that they can't understand transsexual, and maybe they will not trying understand us.
Dear Another Guys:
first, please look at these pages
http://www.ttgapers.com/Article1726.html (with video-just for download)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...5/ai_n14931149
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7276715.stm
and this
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/30/opinion/30wed3.html
I told you, my english is very bad.
my reading more than writing. but it have limitations too.
if i misunderstand your posting, i'm sorry.
but if right that my reading. i hope just say something.
i'm not american.
maybe, some of this, different situation from in america.
i have one question to you.
what do you mean now? what do you saying now?
blacktgirls, you say that.
"while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least 1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive."
"i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting!"
i think.
maybe..you not used wrong text.
HIV is dangerous. ignorance is very dangerous too.
i understanding what you saying.
yes, Shining Star.
some Transsexuals escorting is maybe sometimes, someone's is that mean...Prostitutes.
and about HIV/AID systems, I agree with you in all your views.
so what? what you mean now?
Transsexaul escort is so dangerous.
This is all your Trans escorter's fault. is this?
i think, i understand your post and statistics.
but statistics is just statistics.
some people used these with politics.
so..now. what you mean?
do you think transsexual women was born with HIV or AIDS?
HIV or AIDS is inoffensive for transsexuals?
transsexuals like money more than someone's life?
poverty Transsexuals never afraid HIV or AIDS?
if some Transsexual's know that infection HIV, She happy?
really do you think so?
i hope,"No".
you should just saying carefully.
why just Transsexuals?
maybe you can't understand this.
you can assume here is one Real Women.
She buyed 101 pets because She soooooooooo very loved animal and pets.
but she can't eke out with part time job.
finally She became Prostitutes.
do you think this is same <=> general transsexual's case?
if you want hormon. you need money.
it's not sometimes. it need every month every years every times.
so, how do you think that they need how much money with operation?
and they must paid for life(for food, for house, etc) too.
i know some friends in my country who hate Prostitutes.
they really try. study study study...
many young transsexuals don't want become Prostitutes.
but many transsexuals finally became Prostitutes.
if she met a few good leader. but in many case the another members and customers hate her.
i know some freelancer(not escorter).
but which she already has ability or not, many time they alienation to major.
yes, this is never all-transsexual's case.
but i feeled many time, almost case is not different.
so many society hate us. so many publics hate us.
many government and society blame us.
many people of them say that, "AIDS from yours"
"our society will be happy if you removed from us."
"AIDS is your fault!"
generally many countrys not open jobs for us.
just they think,
"if you will cut your hair, marri women, sex with girl. you will change"
they never understand us.
and they looks like they will never try.
just many people of them say that.
"you are just man, same us, ever! and AIDS from you. you immorality!"
ah..
maybe, you guys not transsexual. it's true.
and you don't understand us.
we can just Only a few choice and jobs for our future more than gays that for identity and for life.
many people of us, they have no choice no jobs.
first i hope, you understand this.
transsexual need many money but almost not for just luxury.
and if transsexual people's someone infected with HIV, however almost of she already don't have any choice.
and AIDS is not from us. we just it's prey.
it's make very hard to safeguard for ourself.
many people of us, afraid that.
and possibly can try for safe from that.
but we need money, and many clients don't care our health.
and hunted us, use a bonus for his sex fantasy.
and say. "i gived money for you, and now, it is all your fault what happen to me."
many transsexuals(never all) infected HIV like this.
transsexuals narrowly defend our self.
and we possibly take care our life.
guys, we are not attacker.
we are just a victim from some attackers attack.
now, if you do not play safe-sex, and you are HIV positive person who just don't know yourself,
any times you can infection to some transsexuals, guys, womens.
i think. it's possible Situations that you will be attacker to someone.
some times AIDS from blood transfusion.
We are not HIV sensor, and you too.
in this Situations, we just prey of you.
your health is yours.
do not say about our boyfriends and needles.
we can't defend your health. and you can defend your health!
blacktgirls, you told that she bareback blowjob for you? it's mean no-condom blowjob?
if she was foolish and you worry HIV. you must request condom.
and i hope you understand that if you do not that, sometimes you can will be HIV Attackers too.
this is for you, for her, for your wife(now or future's), for your childrens.
and then say here.
"all guys, womens, transsexuals and other peoples Safety First. defend from AIDS yourself."
never say, "just transsexuals need careful."
i'm not saying statistics.
you are not group. you just only one. and HIV problems is happen that case by case(most same 1on1).
all HIV/AID protection system for the Prostitutes has under the case by case rule.
HIV/AIDS is not Measles!
if..you say
"i'm client! this problems is all your fault! and your life is just your life, not mine! i will never ever ever infected HIV in my life without you! "
then, all your fault and mistake what happen to you to her and someone.
Why do I think you are maximizing the risk because you resent that Ts Escorts want money?? Is it High Risk, or high price that is bugging you? Is this about being healthy, or who gets to be wealthy??Quote:
Originally Posted by RMan1
FK
there was an hpv (can get it even while using a condom like herpes) article that came out recently with the whole gardisil vaccine debate. Not only can it lead to cervical cancer in women, it can lead to penile or anal (if thats your thing) cancer in men :shock:
this and the 1 in 4 teenage girl thing that came out recently is becoming sad.
anytime u fool around with any girls whos guy count is > 10, your playing eddie murphy raw style roulette. I dunno how you even find a gf after that
Chicago love Vanessa. I'm glad you are weighing in on this, thank you!
doradora,reread my post.To sum it up,there's a lot of TGirl Escorts,Streetwalkers with IV drug habits.They share needles and have multiple sexual partners,more then likely on the street level (which is starting
to include craigslists).
They shoot Heroin,Coke,Meth and something else will come along.So I don't know where the "anger" is.There isn't any.Use a condomn.
<-failed to pink window, again.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2754tim
I readed all these post on 2~3hours in first time.
I never read your post with the top of one's mind.
and now, This is perfectly my mistake. I'm sorry.
This is explain. but I will say some thing.
maybe I have many misunderstand because I'm not American.
in My Country, many Transsexual's share niddle too. just It's about Hormon.
in first time, many Transsexuals used From Hospital.
but Time goes goes goes...many Transsexuals stoped That.
and start That, They buying Hormon from Black Market, and injection her self.
and start That, She share that Niddle and Syringe used with some friends.(just I heard like That, and heard that too, almost for Money.)
because that is easy more than this(= From Hospital).
what made This Situation, They feel so tired from Jobs,Stress, and another.
and so many people of them, never live in comfort too.
about Stress and Tired, I feel That, many Transsexuals feel Despair. and They just try try try for forgot It. Allmost, maybe You(Guys) think That many transsexuals is look like Optimistic or Enjoy(+ing)life. but the Stress is very very Heavy. maybe It's always more than yours Estimation. and This is almost from Born.
- (but This is just My Think. sorry All Transsexual Sisters.)
I think, Some People never understand This. What about You?
Theirs Using Hospital is far from House(and etc).
In My Country, many Doctors can't understand Them. and Hormon is High Cost Medicines in here. This is So Stress too.(not very. but never inexpensive.)
It's burden to Many Young Transsexuals who leaving home.
I just hoped That->
Guys must understand This. do not saying about Just Transsexuals Problem.
Almost of us, really tryed ourself. even if you never seems like that.
and This Case is never be Group Vs Group Case.
and safe sex is not just about only for You or for Her.
maybe Some Transsexuals couldn't enough defend herself from HIV.
but You Can. Why sometimes you blame(and negligence) Us?
many time, Guys have stress too, and They use escort.
Almost Case, This is your(guys) enjoy for Just For Yourself.
but in this Situations, many Transsexuals is not for herself.
Now, I never try saying that She lie(+ing) to Guys.
Sometimes Guys make that really happy for(and with) Her.
but in many case, enjoy is not for Transsexual's.
and Some Transsexuals want That away from Stress.
and Some Transsexuals choose that so wrong way.
but I think that, however It's never only Transsexual's fault.
and I heard that about American's Drug Situation from TV.
but This Time, maybe I forgot It.
sorry. I don't want distort the what you mean.
recently I heard This, now iwide-spread(+ing) to Public in My Country.
but I feeled That, on the average, It's "yet".
nobody say That with open door to friends that, "I use drug."
sorry I understand, You was not anger. and I have mistake.
and this time, about All these post, maybe I could misunderstand hormon and drug niddle's percentage.(not only about your post, just all post and in america situation)
and here is one more explain too.
in here, many many Gays play SexParty with no condom too.
and some Transsexuals too.
this is made That, many peoples say that transsexuals is sleeps around.(but this is not made All fixed. just partly for transsexuals. but gay is not)
and some many Not LGBT peoples misunderstand this .
they think that this is about escort.
I feels that many time, not LGBT people think about transsexual that transsxuals is whole bacause they are abnormal sexuality.
now, publics fixed idea is many changed more than past.
it's good.
but some many people is not change. specialy Christians and straight mans.
in here, some times ago changed law about transsexual and gay.
but they had protest to strong.
and finally they successfully deleted about homosexual's law.
and some parts changed about transsexual's law.
and say that now,
"F***!! my government is changed like bull shit. they made that I never don't know about my wife who she is women or man before!!"
not true. they can know that from hers documents.
but they saying and blame to my countrys us.
It bring that my countrys thranssexuals made sharp.
many transsexuals have that It's look like allergy.
they blame-hate gay,CD/TV, and non hormon transsexual.(and gays hate transsexuals too. maybe from same reason.)
they have someone who not yet srs transsexual(but her use hormon, made breast, etc <-this is assume).
they said, "you are not women. just man or the abnormal sexuality human!.
if You want proof that You are Really Woman, You should SRS, immediate!. you made what blame us from social! fag!"
they accept just Transgender with Complete All operation, not All Transsexual.
(they look like have allergy about this word->Shemale.)
all these is picks on me. and maybe this is made me->sharp too.
and now, I feel that I'm stupid...
For my two cents I am from NYC and at one time my job was to provide services to the AIDS infected population within the city limits. I did not find that our clientel had a high precentage of transgendered individuals. I found that the higher corelation had to do with mental illness and poverty.Risky sexual behaviors will always put people at risk. There is no need to have unprotected sex with someone who you are not monagamus with who has been tested at least three months before you loose the condom. There are flavored condems for blowjobs and flavored dental dams. Wrap your dick!
I am not trying to disparage what you are saying, however I would like to see a more recent study on Brazilian HIV rates in TS. The health care system here in Brazil is a world leader in HIV treatment and education. If a person is HIV positive they can receive free health care as well as other public services for free (transportation and housing). The education about HIV has dramatically increased here in the last decade. Everywhere you go in Brazil you see advertisements about condom use.
That being said why would you engage in unprotected sex with any one you do not have a monogamous relationship with? Regardless of advances in pharmacology and treatment it is a life or better yet death sentence if you are infected.
I will harken back to my feelings about porn in the US. The industry should embrace condoms in all penetration porn. If it becomes the norm then it will be generally accepted by the population.
I think there is a certain segment of the population addicted to dangerous or high risk behavior. We saw on the streets of Sao Paulo 5 nights ago a guy stopped at a corner in his car. He had both windows opened. One TS was showing him her breasts and distracting him while the other was half way into his other window stealing things from his car. It is so easy to find an escort on the internet but this guy went to the streets. The Damazo forum is full of stories just like this one. I bet you will see the same guy out in the same area again this week. He likes that danger aspect.
The same can be said about the guys who get off on the no condom thing. They like the danger, it is like playing Russian roulette with out the gun.
wrap it up guys
If U Scared about HIV+ just use a condom for oral sex and anal sex that's what i do !
Of course, you would know that, since YOU are part of the high risk group Grandpa! lol :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by RMan1
Stop trying to be holier than anyone in the biz! Your shit stinks! :roll:
~HTG
More than 1 out of 4 are hookers, try 49 out of 50 and as far as being HIV+ thats because most TS girls love ghetto boys and low life trash, as well as most TS girls have that male sexual mentality, sex on their mind 24/ 7.
What are you basing this surprising claim on?Quote:
Originally Posted by worthy2
Hi Hara. I hope you don't mind if I support your position here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hara_Juku Tgirl
It is absurd and grossly offensive for male users of escorts, (courtesans, prostitutes, call as you will, I just see no point in being offensive,) to blame those escorts for the spread of STD's when the MARKET IS BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE IN THE FIRST PLACE BY THE MEN WHO WANT TO BUY SEX THEMSELVES.
There would be NO female, ts/tv, gay or whatever escorts if MEN DID NOT PAY THEM FOR SEX. A market is created by DEMAND, not SUPPLY. You can try and sell anything you like but if no-one wants it, there is no market.
That being the case it is really really crass to start with all this "the escorts are to blame" BS. STDs are a fact of life, casual sex is high risk behaviour, and if you don't use condoms your risk, and the risk to your partners, is increased by factors in the thousands.
The level of denial on this board is frightening. There are men here who will cheerfully pay to have a dick shoved in their mouths or anuses and deny their own homosexuality, and also deny that they are a part of the problem. And that goes in spades when the men themselves--as is often the case-- will pay extra or use coercion to have unprotected sex, or pay others to have unprotected sex on camera so they can get their freak on vicariously.
A sustainable sex business--which includes direct sales and such things as porno--depends on risk management and minimisation and the simple facts are that the use of regular tests and condoms are the mainstays of that.
If you want unprotected sex, get into a monogamous relationship or use your hand. It's that simple.
AIDS exists. It kills. While survival rates have increased there is still NO CURE. Condoms save lives. They may not be a perfect solution but they are the best we have. It's not about blame, it's just about facts of life, and facing up to them. Nothing here has changed in the thirty years since AIDS arrived.
And it is NOT the girls' fault.
:soapbox
over.
:claps Well said MacShreach!Quote:
Originally Posted by MacShreach
It is likewise offensive for people who does he same for a living to critique the girls! ;)
~Kisses.
HTG
This thread is beyond ridiculous........I wouldn't fuck I girl I KNEW was a virgin without a condom. I've done some risky shit in the past and gotten away with it. Been tested plenty of times, but the panic eventually outweighed the euphoria, so I don't play around anymore. 1 in 4 or 1 in 4 million, if you fuck the wrong "1" raw, it's possible to get infected. And despite what some idiots may think they "know", you will NEVER really know who that "1" is.......
I did like the mention of HEP and HPV in some of these posts as they are far more virulent and Hep, at least, can kill you quite easily too.
All I have to say is Ive fucked around enough Im done. But if anyone ever had hiv and I found out at the last minute, or if I contracted it, someone would seriously dieQuote:
Originally Posted by blacktgirls
Amen to that Chuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck
If you are condemning a test on the grounds that it may throw a false positive, that just shows a) that you are in denial and b) that you don't understand how screening tests work-- the more sensitive, the higher the chance of a false positiveQuote:
Originally Posted by worthy2
A false NEGATIVE is much more dangerous and no test is 100%
I think we can discount your opinion on this.
"Once you accept that aids is a lifestyle disease you will understand it more."
I think I remember you or someone else saying something like this recently. By this logic then if I have a poor diet, don't exercise, drink excessively, and smoke 2 packs of smokes a day do I get AIDS. I don't do those things, but we all know that those things alone don't give you AIDS. The one thing in common all AIDS patients have is they are infected with the HIV virus. An unhealthy lifestyle can certainly hasten the onset of the syndrome, but does not guarantee it.
The reality is that many people died from HIV infections that turned in to full blown AIDS. To say that all of them had unhealthy lifestyles is short sighted and unrealistic. What you can say of every single person that has died of AIDS is that they were infected with HIV. Also, a healthy lifestlyle is not what is keeping many HIV+ people alive today, it is better medications accomplishing that. HIV causes AIDS, poor lifestlyle is a contributing factor.
I hate to burst your delusional bubble, but the old test is an antibody test. The currently preferred test is an RNA test, which tests for the virus directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by worthy2
BTW This is another example of what happens when people get their news off the internet, where everyone's BS is considered equal. Check out http://www.virusmyth.com/ and take a look at who is really behind it.
Being a professional tennis player as a lifestyle causes AIDS (if you're black, anyway).Quote:
Originally Posted by mpcc2004
In a great piece of irony, it's alleged that Amanda Blake Died of AIDS (in Gunsmoke she played "Miss Kitty"). or maybe that's where the idiom originated?
Also, writing science fiction as a lifestyle will get you AIDS.
Getting pregnant and giving birth as a lifestyle will get you AIDS (or was it being married to an actor who would do "Starsky & Hutch"?).
[quote="worthy2"]Wow, you are beyond ignorant. A lifestyle disease? Oddly enough heterosexual women are becoming the new high risk category. Are you saying these are all drug using sluts who deserve to have it?Quote:
Originally Posted by MacShreach
You my man are an idiot?
Um, I work in the AIDS field and, yes , many conditions CAN cause a false positive, but that doesn't meant it WILL.
Secondly, any test that has false positives is not considered a bad test. For every positive test, a CONFIRMATORY test is required subsequently. Yeah, it sucks to get a false positive (I've seen a few clients, go through that), but it can be proved wrong. Anyone who accesses health care after a positive test also will receive a Viral Load test to determine their Anti-Retroviral Status or need for medication. If for some reason someone got TWO false positives and were actually negative, they would eventually find out or their VL would be deemed undetectable. If their VL is undetectable and T-Cell count remains over 200, they will not be prescribed medication.
WORTHY, it sounds like the "lies" you refer to are the pharmaceutical industry's stranglehold on the practice of medicine. While I certainly believe that (pharmaceutical and oil companies have the two most frighteningly powerful lobbies in the world), you can't sell drugs to someone that does not qualify for them. Maybe a few doctors get kickbacks for pushing HIV meds, but the subsequent health problems those very meds cause, makes it difficult for doctors to prescribe them openly. Somebody is sipping the conspiracy Kool-Aid a little too thirstly.
Third, another thing it seems you fail to realize is that a BAD test is a test that can provide a false NEGATIVE, not the other way around. For someone who claims knowledge of HIV/AIDS, I'm a little surprised at your comments.
nevermind
Hey somebody who actually knows about her. I don't know how she died, but her Mother lived up the street from us and she and my Mom were friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny partridge
TS Jamie :-)
I'm going to have to choose....
1) Slut
2) Obama
Did I forget anything?
CA