What's more gay:
1) Watching a hairy guy fuck a hot girl.
or
2) Watching a beautiful TS fuck a hot girl.
???
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What's more gay:
1) Watching a hairy guy fuck a hot girl.
or
2) Watching a beautiful TS fuck a hot girl.
???
I dont care what it leads to, as long as it leads to some sex with a tgirl...doh!!!
Call it what you will. It's sex. I get an erection for t-girl but not for guys. The cock meter tells all. So you can call me gay, you can call me Ray! I don't understand it nor does anyone else. But a dick does. It's either up or down. To all you state employees, who must classify everything ... call it what you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celeste
Tried gay porn, doesn't do it for me. Why is that? Who knows. Go with what makes you boat float. Throw a stamp on it.
It's gonna be different for each person, but I'll give one idea.
What if you get a charge out of the idea of total submission of yourself. The idea that you are with someone that has completely changed themself to make themself better/happier.
I also have a wicked plastic surgery obsession, though I've never had any work done or plan on having any. I might be crazy, or unique but I think thats part of the idea with me. I really admire anyone willing to make big sacrifices to achieve what they want.
I try to do that with my life, but in totally different ways
Oh and btw, couldn't stand regular gay porn at all......
LMAO well it could be better if you were sitting on my dick.. I don't know i've never really given the matter much thought.. My girl's a GG and alll my relationships that i've had have been with women, but every now and then I don't mind getting a good shot of TS ass, so if that makes me gay then so be it..Quote:
Originally Posted by Celeste
I'm just attracted to the female form, so if a chick is built like a dime piece, has a cute face, and just so happens to have a dick up that dress, well chances are she's going to get fucked just like the next chick who drops her panties in front of me.. :P
Celeste,Quote:
Originally Posted by Celeste
You are absolutely right. I came out of denial a while ago and now truly enjoy having sex with men as well as TS and women. I just had to get over the mental hump, and once I tried it with a guy it felt awesome. Feeling a cock inside me no matter who it is attached to just felt awesome.
In the end I think I am much more on the gay side then the straight side. I kind of use TS as a crutch in that by digging TS's I can't be 100% gay, because after all I am attracted to feminine beauty, that is of course as long as there is a cock involved.
Make sense?
I do like it in fact I love it. At least I am man enough to admit it. Never could understand the gay bashing on HA.
From an article in the Pittsburg tribune- Signs your Husband Might be Gay:
Overreacts to anything concerning gay men -- extreme homophobic behavior
can you please explain how someone can be partially pregnant? thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by punkox
I'm totally with you. Not sure why it's considered so bad to be gay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celeste
To get back to the original question . . . . No, it is not a gateway to gay porn. I will mirror someone else who said basically that either you're gay or you're not. If you're gay you'll probably head towards gay porn whether you watch TS porn or not. If you'r enot gay then you have no worries.
I personally do not enjoy watching guys suck cock or get fucked up the ass. but I do enjoy watching a hot Gurl suck a guys cock, or another Gurls cock especially. I could be just fine with no men in TS porn whatsoever.
I've been on lots ot TS websites and seen lots of TS porn. I know what I like, and I know that watching enough of something isn't going to magically turn me into something I know I'm already not.
Flabeeboi: You may not want anything touching your ass hole, but you will get your cock sucked and fuck someones asshole... who was born male and has a dick?!? So thats makes you less gay, right? :lol:
Celeste, you've made some interesting points. How would you label guys that are more attracted to post-op transsexuals than gg's?
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Originally Posted by Celeste
There a wide range of responses here, which means it's a good topic!
I can only speak for myself, and I really don't find labels that useful.
Personally, I have only ever been attracted to GGs and transsexual girls - most recently I prefer transsexual girls. But there's a range of transsexual girls, just as there's a range of gay porn.
So, from covering the spectrum we have:
1. transsexual girls who are post-op
2. tgirls who are feminine, made a commitment to SRS and largely submissive
3. tgirls who are more dominant and have sex with guys who like tgirl cock
4. transvestites and cross-dressers who still consider themselves men for most of the time
5. effeminate, submissive guys who like taking cock
6. average to masculine guys who like gay sex.
Yes, I'm sure there are many other types that are not really reflected here.
Personally I am only attracted to 1. and 2. Judging by Celeste's comment I should be expecting to head into categories 4. and 5. but I really don't believe it. I've absolutely no interest in sex with guys or watching gay porn.
So, I'd have to agree with several of the other guys here that transsexual porn or transsexual sex doesn't lead to gay porn/sex. If you get turned on my gay porn then that's fine, but I can't see that transsexual sex makes any difference.
Do you consider yourself gay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Celeste
Floyd R: I would say your Bi. But who amI to say! I mean Post Ops were still born male. No matter what one has done to the exterior, the Interior will never change!
ts tv Lover: Thats exactly what I didnt say.
Celeste wrote:
I think what the topic is trying to get at, and I could be wrong:
"Straight guys" who are watching ts porn, are watching a form of gay porn... but justifying it as being ts porn, not gay porn. But in all reality ts porn IS a form of gay porn... No matter how you justify it. So that would be the gateway, shemale porn is a form of gay porn. Not necessarily saying you guys start watching ts porn, then the next thing you know, your watching FLAT OUT gay porn! Hope Im making sense, hardly got any sleep
I said it was a form of gay porn. No matter what level of transexual or form of transexual porn, you prefer! It still IS a form of gay porn. Meaning you are not headed to watching 3 or 4, or towards flat out gat porn.... Honey, your already there! Being with a TS or watching any form of TS porn, is a form of gay activity, no matter how you look at it. But hey, whatever gets you throught the nite, babe :wink:
OEMEnemyNum1: I wouldnt Flat out say I was gay, no. If I was asked I would say... I consider myself a transgendered. If we got down to the nitty gritty, Yes TG people would classify under gay. Ts porn, is often catergorized under gay. I would say I was a transgender who participates in gay sex. I mean its obviously not straight sex! Who are we kidding?! :roll:
Celeste I could totally go GAY for you!!!!, lol
Great points Celeste. Really, this discussion should be over now!
OEMEnemyNum1: ::singing:: "You and me baby, aint nothing but mammals, so lets do it, like they do it, on the discovery channel" :wink:
El Nino: Thanks Babe, Yeah... I think I made my point, some keep missing it, or just not trying to accept it, but point has been made. Im done with this post, as well!
Call it what you will, face reality, love you you are, accept things as they come, and be true to yourself... you only get one shot at life, shouldnt we be happy?
"Learn to love yourself, because if you dont love yourself, how in the hell are you gonna love somebody else!" RuPaul
I think the saying "It is, what it is" is perfect to sum this up!
I'm not really convinced by any of Celeste's points. I understand where she's coming from, but really its just presenting opinion off as fact. I think the only reason why TG porn is usually listed under gay porn is because yeah, obviously its not straight, but when 1 is obviously a guy and the other is damn near a woman, its not exactly "Gay" porn either.
I'm not really buying into this "Denial" stuff either. Sexuality is just too damn complicated when it comes to TG's to just be labled as one thing or the other.
Its obviously not straight, but honestly it doesn't make sense to me to consider it all out gay, and to be honest even labling it as Bi is kind of weird because Bi insinuates that you can go from wanting to bang Kiera Nightly (however the hell you spell her name) to Vin Diesel, and no, sorry, i can't do that.
But that's where everything gets all grey. Some people want to lable that territory as 1 or the other but you flat out CAN'T!
I'm perfectly fine with how I am. Yeah, I may like chicks with dicks, but I don't consider myself gay because I flat out don't like guys to begin with, and I think calling myself Bi would just be false advertising because no guy in the world has a chance with me, because I don't like guys.
Which also brings me to the next point; What the hell could you lable a TS? I mean on the 1 side you have TS's who want to be considered a woman, and on the other you have TS's that will call you a faggot for liking them (i've seen it on this board before), so its like woah, what's with the mindfuck?
A Trans Gendered person is probably one of the most complicated beings out there to lable, because there are so many different motivations for becoming a TG, and on top of that there are so many reasons for liking a TG.
I mean some TG's are straight guys who wish they were women, some are gay guys who wish they were women, some are just people who like what they got but want to try something different and would rather not completely cross over to the other gender, and so on.
Then you got guys who like TG's because they actually ARE in denial, or are ashamed of their feelings, or guys who like TG's because they like the idea of banging a chick with a dick, but won't go near the dick for some reason (which to me is like "What's the point then?"), and then you got some who just like TG's.
Its too damn complicated.
Hell, if i'm so damn gay, then why do the "guys" i like have to look like hot chicks before i'd even think about going near them?
Of course you could bring genetics into it "Well they have male genes, so that means they're guys, which makes you a faggot, lol!", but then you'd have to go by the assumption that people actually go and take blood samples from their potential partners and have their geneology analyzed before they decide to gun for them, and i gotta say you'd be pretty damn hardpressed to convince me that people actually do that.
You could also go the route that "If you like playing with a TS's dick then that makes you gay", but you have plenty of straight couples who experiment and play with strap-ons, which honestly is incredibly identical, but that's usually considered kinky, not gay.
See what i mean? Grey areas!
I guess I should wrap things up. If you were to ask me of what my opinion of Trans Gendered people are, i'd tell you that if you were a guy, I'd consider you to be a fuck-ton more gay for wanting to bang someone like Buck Angel than someone like Vaniity.
*edit*
I guess in the end, what's so wrong with someone just saying "I'm a straight guy who likes transexual women" or "i'm a gay guy who likes transexual women"? I mean wouldn't those be the best ways to put it?
One last thing from me on this subject.
A large amount of the gay sites I visit have a section for shemales. So obviously they think that shemales should fall under the "gay' catagory.
Well I really don't care about shemale porn it's not what validates me as a female.
If you feel you are gay or bi so be it.
But I assure you when I get hit on at a straight bar, the guy isn't thinking thats a dude. He is thinking thats a female he is attracted to. He interacts, talks, and treats me as he would any other female. Which is what it's more about. Being female is more than just whats between the legs. So if you men want to call yourself gay or biseuxal, because a females looks attracted you, then so be it. Now there are those men just about the cock, and so be it. But not all men that date a transwoman is like that. I find it truly wrong on so many levels. So call it denial if you would like, but obviously some transsexuals still feel they are men. If you feel like a gay male, then why did you transition in the first place? Oh right to make more money. :lol:
Take it offensive as you would like, but thats how I feel.
If you base feminity and sexuality on just sex thats pathetic, a relationship is more than just about SEX. A person is more than just how they have sex.
Get over it.
Good Day
Kelly
I agree completely with Surkis.
Kelly, I also agree with you, although you've taken this a different direction. The original question was about porn and porn is inherently sexual.
You correctly point out that a relationship is much more than sex. Of course it is. A relationship involves a commitment of time, understanding, support and love, whereas porn or prostitution only involves money.
I wonder if people are more honest in their choice of relationships or their choice of porn. I certainly couldn't imagine someone who's gay being attracted to a person who is female through choice, although someone seeking porn or escorting where he acts the cock slut may be doing so in lieu of a gay partner.
Anyway, it's OK for us all to follow our individual approaches accepting that we're all a bit kinky!
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU...150%Quote:
Originally Posted by ottorocket
Good for them?Quote:
Originally Posted by callahac
Again, like I said, to me its more of a "where can we put it? Its not exactly straight porn you know..."
I just hate people creating labels for me that I didn't approve of. I get enough of that horseshit because I was born of mexican decent. Nothing against mexican people but aside from my skin color and some mexican-esque features, i'm VERY far from your stereotypical mexican. Hell, i'm part white too you know, yet people take one look at me and automatically assume that when I go home I throw on a poncho and start speakin' spanish and take a siesta, and most of this crap comes from my own people, go figure.
Point is there is usually more to the story, so there's no use applying any specific label to it just yet, and in reality the only real lables that would fit are so damn complicated that you might as well go with what I said earlier with my other post.
I prefer a bare minimum of femininity in my porns.
that said all hc porn could be considered gay by mainstream sexuality standards. too many cut away shots of dudes O face and girls getting gooed on in slowmo with giant horsecock to be considered 'not gay'. amirite????
This is an interesting topic and I've read a good majority of the posts. For me, gay sex just doesn't do it. Men just don't turn me on the same way that a tgirl does. This isn't denial as I've even tried it with a man once or twice. You know what? It really didn't do anything for me.
I like smaller boobs be for the most part it is the feminine tgirls that get me. Maybe it's a whole package deal since it's not just having a rack that does it.
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Originally Posted by Celeste
Girl that is one quote that describes you. In fact I think I've seen that somewhere before ;) Hmmm.... brings on a memory
Shemale porn allowed me to realize that I enjoy cocks and have a broad range of sexual attraction. But it also made me realize I am totally and completely interested in women as partners, dates, companions, etc. I can do sex with tgirls or guys on occasion but am not interested in anything more.
I don't think I would have gained that clarity without tgirl porn and tgirl sex.
"Weiners is weiners." -Edgar Allan Poe
I honestly couldn't ever see myself having sex with a man.
Yes a shemales cock can turn me on, but the main attraction to me is that she looks just like a beautiful woman to me. And with the asses that some of these girls have can you blame me?
Just to throw my 2 cents in as a newbie shemale enthusiast, I will have to say that I've always enjoyed woman on cock action with straight porn.
Now getting into shemale porn, I enjoy both solo and shemale/female or male action. I've seen gay porn and it is somewhat interesting, it is down there on the porn I would watch and I have no interest in having sex with other men.
I have never been with a shemale but see myself potentially with one in the future as I am very attracted to them. Especially some of the ones on Hung Angels.
If you guys really want a gay porn gateway, start watching cuckold stuff.
Ok, Celeste, this statement has me confused. From my understanding, TS women who were born male have always felt female on the inside, but have Male genetalia. The whole point of the transformation is to make their outsides match their insides, is it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Celeste
So while a MTF post-op woman was technically born a male, her whole makeup had been that of a female. And as a TS woman yourself I'm surprised that you would say that the interior would never change, in regards to a TS always being a man inside. Just seems a bit odd to hear you say that.
WEll there are loads of men that watch transsexual porn but never would act on it. So again that makes no sense to call him gay or even Bi.Quote:
Originally Posted by tstv_lover
If a TS or GG watch TS porn is that also a gateway to gay porn?
No Kira, by Celeste and others logic, that would be straight porn or straight sex. Since a tgirl has a cock and a gg has a vagina. Lawdy! hahahhahahahahahahahahha :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by KiraHarden_TS
Ok then, What if a gay guy watches ts porn, is that a gate way to straight porn for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Here's a thought that crossed my mind. When a father has a son transition to a daughter, do you think its a gateway to him watching ts porn out of curiousity and or maybe leading him to start perving HA and then becoming a tranny chaser?
That could apply to other family members as well as friends
Yeah, I think watching TS porn could turn people onto other things that they hadn't considered before, but these are probably aspects of their personality that were there anyway. That's kind of how it worked for me. After I came across shemale porn, it got me curious and that's when I started crossdressing and fantasising about being a sexy slut and getting off with guys and girls. I don't really watch guy-on-guy porn but I get turned on by most other combinations of t-girls, cd, gg or whatever with guys, I feel that sort of thing is much sexier if the girls turn the guys on each other. But that's just me. If that makes me gay, then I probably am, although I guess bi would be a better description. I'm ok with being called that.
The real issue here seems to be with the weird levels of homophobia that seem to exist on these boards. People are so afraid to be labelled as "gay" and seem to hate on other people who do things that are a bit "gay" for them. What the fuck is wrong with being gay, people? For God's sake, you all like cock. Try to be a bit more understanding sometimes of people with slightly different tastes.
I laugh at this one Kira. Very philosophical! You are hilarious!Quote:
Originally Posted by KiraHarden_TS