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@kellyshore your quite true danger is everywhere but you have to agree being transgender makes you a easy target.
@NYTSJulie i'm just saying you know how some of those guys are you don't even have to be intimate they will snap regardless because they think they were talking to a man(which isn't the case).
You just shot down every guy on this forum. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
haha true, but it's nothing worse talking to a guy. Then he assumes, because you are a transsexual you know pornstars they have pined over for years. No offense to these pornstars, just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by crayons
So says the guy pretending to be a gg,we all know the story of crayons the liar.Dude don't you have any murders to commit you freakin physcopath.Quote:
Originally Posted by crayons
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You just shot down every guy on this forum. Laughing
I just don't see why I need to tell my T to someone I am just talking to. What if I tell him out of "respect" so you say, and that in itself puts me in more danger if he freaks out and starts pummeling me. When I could of avoided that situation in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend
Scenario: I ignore you. What will you do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend
Oh and also I'm sorry but I don't like admitting to a guy that I'm a transsexual at a straight bar, because usually they get obnoxious. I don't want them saying omg omg omg are you really a man so the bar can hear.
That's a good point never really thought of that i guess its kinda like a double edge sword for you girls,you tell him he snaps,he finds out himself he snaps.Kel why no just go for guys who already know?Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
I had the same thing happen to me a few months back, went to a party and met a guy, we hit it off he starts putting his arm around my hips and all of the sudden he's trying to kiss me. I don't usually let guys near me unless they know, but I was caugh off guard and after 2 vodka tonics I was a bit buzzed. We kissed and I asked the Boss to walk me to my car. I gave the guy my card and was sure he would call... Turns out my Boss's assistant is friends with him and she may have spilled the beans. I am not sure if she is threatened cause she is a good girl, but she wanted to be the one to tell her friend to know what he was doing before he got into it... What if he knew and just wanted discretion? But anyway, I am sure that GGs don't really understand the game... I don't understand it myself.
I just try to meet someone in which we can be completly honest with each other and do not have closed minded friends, family or who live in a "bubble".
I am not one to advertize my " T " but I don't want to be unconfortable around people. I am not a woman and will never be, I am a transsexual and you can kiss my ass if you don't like it. When you have a "secrete" people usually treat you differently. Don't hate the players hate the game!
I don't think you are under any obligation to do that at all. I don't see the need to divulge personal things about myself to someone I have just met. I think most people are that way as well. Obviously, if you are romantically interested in him then you would tell him at some point while you are getting to know each other, but before that I don't see any reason why you would need to.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Because 9 out of 10 times those guys that know don't see you as the woman you are. Straight guys can see that side before a man that knows sees it thats attracted to the pre-op transsexual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend
Thank you, exactly people don't divuldge everything about themselves when talking. It's not like he walked up to and said Hi my name is Mike and I have a 9 inch dick. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by mpcc2004
There can't be a catch all "works every time" answer for this question. There are things to be discussed in almost every relationship scenario there is.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYTSJulie
One I encounter in my life is when to share the fact I smoke pot. There is obviously danger in admitting to being a law breaker (Federal, I am in California) to the wrong person.
So to answer you Julie, no, or yes, depending on the person/situation.
I dunno, there are some SCARY gg's out there that would give most typical GB guys a run for their money in a fight. This one girl I used to work with took steroids and T (not enough to say, transition like a FtM- just to help gain bulk when working out), and holy crap she was strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYTSJulie
Yea, I think you're right. People like this will do it again unless they know better, I don't know enough to be able to say rather she will not do it again in response to being politely told its wrong (and why). Some people will actually not repeat this kinda thing after being told why its a bad idea politely and calmly, but not everyone is that civil by any means.Quote:
I have to at least have to say something and put her in her place, or she will think she can do it again.
My mom used to out me like the examples in this thread, when I talked to her about it, it boiled down to two things... her thinking it was funny to see how people would react :roll: and feeling threatened by me and having this fear that I'd be interested in her bfs and could be competition. Sat down, explained it all and said she would have to trust me- and that was the end of it. I've had "friends" where this tactic did not work.
Oh fuck, you didn't just say that did you? LOL. With some of the guys on here- you better believe some think this.Quote:
Who thinks that T girls should tell guys right away?
right, straight guys see a pussy to fuck, with a body attached to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
and guys in the "scene" are all cocksuckers and take it up the ass.
donīt you just LOVE cliches and wishful thinking?
It's just been my own personal experience with men Steven. I am not downing anyone. I find that guys that aren't in the scene respect me as a woman, and treat me how I'd like to be treated. Guys that know want to know how big my cock is and if it gets hard. THATS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE, so if that upsets you, I apologize.Quote:
Originally Posted by mbf
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Originally Posted by KellyShore
lol
Well,
Does it?
LOL
I would have to agree that women are like this with other women as well....I dated a smokin hot black girl one time and she always used to say that she had the most problems with girlfriends...especially when going out to the clubs and MOST especially when she got on the dance floor.
But honestly, if your interested in a guy this is one of the FIRST things you should tell him....Leading a guy on is foolhardy in the extreme.
It doesnīt upset me at all. Itīs just funny, that you think "straight" guys are respecting you as a person, and by no way think about your toilet parts when hitting on you. THATīs wishful thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Hmm. I've never thought about using the 9 inch dick line before. But my name isn't Mike. Oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
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Originally Posted by KellyShore
Sorry but i'm a little confused so your saying most of the guy on this forum doesn't really see you as a true women but the "straight guys" can?
Well I am sure they are thinking of my vagina since men think about sex all the time. I'm just saying HOW THE TREAT ME, they treat me as a woman. I am not talking about SEX again thats where we differ. You go right for the sex part.Quote:
Originally Posted by mbf
No before I had surgeries they were rude, condescending, and mean about my looks at times. Now that I have had surgeries their protocol has changed. So no I do not feel they do. They see me as a chick with a dick or shemale. Which is fine, I accept that. I am on a porn forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend
Annnnd here it starts.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackAdder
There are so many ways a relationship can end before it starts, why out yourself to a guy at the very beginning when it might not even get to a 2nd date for some random reason? Like not having anything in common, not liking his personality- whatever.
I'm not saying I'm all for the after sex "you know, I should mention..." lines, but there is just no reason to say it the moment someone hits on you in public, or hell- possibly not even by the end of the 1st date depending on the situation.
This is how it works. If I guy knows right away he will treat you differently, 100 percent of the time. Not always with a poor reaction but still will treat you differently.
If he finds out down the road he will already know you as a person, not an object not as just a transsexual, but a person.
The way it works best is....date them for a little while and if you like them continue to date them. Once the emotions get involved they they are cake in your hand. LOL well maybe its not that easy but when your emotionally connected to someone its a lot harder to turn back.
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Originally Posted by NYTSJulie
When it comes to just sex and not trying to land a husband that's a different story. I would say 98 percent of the time they are ok with it for the night. Like when the guy called me last night to ask if its true. First he was all freaked out then we talked and by the end of the conversation he asked me to come over. I said no and told him, your tipsy and tomorrow I am not going to hear from you again if I come or not.
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Originally Posted by NYTSJulie
Basically........trick them as long as possible then.........
Bust out you strong 7 incher and live happily ever after.
ummm.....
good luck with that.
I again don't see how it's tricking? If you are just acting as who you are? Not having sex, kissing, sucking whatever the sexual contact may be.
This is were self-deceit sets in. Because you will never give a guy who has some T-experience a fair chance. From the very beginning you will look for poor behaviour, just to satisfy your cliche of men into TS who see you just as objects.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYTSJulie
Why that is I can only speculate, but that stance possibly stems from the fact you probably encounter men who know beforehand only when you work as an escort. Therefore, they indeed see you as an object.
Let me put it into lay-mans terms for you. If I met you and you had a prosthetic leg I wouldn't go out with you. If I met you, went out with you a few times and then found out, it wouldn't matter to me as much. If you had a prosthetic leg you wont be showing it off and telling people, they would treat you differently. Its sad but thats how the world works, you can either adapt to it or spend a lifetime trying to change something you cant.Quote:
Originally Posted by ARMANIXXX
Some guys, even on this board think its tricking unless the guy knows from the moment he goes "hey, you're hot" in a public place. :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
There have been enough threads on this issue that I would go so far as to say these guys won't be changing their stances anytime soon.
If you went to dinner with a transsexual you would look around the restaurant to see if anyone clocks her. You would think twice about bringing her home to meet your parents, then probably decide that its not a good idea to chance it. You might care or you may not, but you would still be treating her differently. Its natural human behavior, thats why its best to tell someone when the time is right.Quote:
Originally Posted by mbf
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Originally Posted by KellyShore
See Kelly, there is a fundamental difference in between your philosophy, and Julie's.
here on this thread that was just recently made
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=29781
you said,
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When he asks me on a date, if we are just talking on the bar and on the phone I don't say anything. As soon as it turns to the romantic point of a 'date' I let him know.
However there has been times that I broke those rules and just told the guys straight out and by luck it worked out for me in a good way. However I got lucky and I know it.
You see,
That isn't quite Julie's "KARMA plan of action".
I agree... People are attracted to you as you are and as you see, some men would not be into it - That you will have to accept. Once the feelings are involved not only will he be let down but so will you.
If it works for you then great... More power to you...
For myself, I would like a guy who is proud of all I have accomplished, proud of me as a human not just a TS. If he is anyone worth giving my heart to then he will not treat me differently. But a TS must understand that she is NOT like anyone, especially a genetic female. You are yourself, unlike anyone else, you have gifts, talents, beauty... And if a man isn't willing to see passed your penis then that is his loss and your gain.
I don't like lying to people. Being a transsexual is a huge part of who I am, therefore I like to be honest with those I meet. I like that to be the base of all of my relationships, that being friends, family and eventually a man.
I don't know what it's like to be a woman to any other woman but to myself, so if you ask me... " What is it like to be a woman? " ... I trully do not know how to answer it. I just am...
Guys who meet me adore me as I am, and the ones that are willing to stick around and climb the mountain with me, those who have strength and a heart, compassion, understanding - Those are the guys I seek.
I hate lying to people
Hmm..well Kelly i think if your "interested" in a guy and you dont tell him within the first 24 hours then yes, its tricking..
If i spent all week talking to a girl and then she told me she was in prison for dismembering and eating people, well...Id kinda not want to talk to her.
Ive no time for girls who hide things anymore; I will respect you MUCH more if you tell me whats up early on.....Maybe im in the minority but i also know that im a damn good boyfriend.
And again....any girl that thinks a 100% "straight" guy is going to be truly interested in a TS is fooling themselves.....Im not gay but im definetly not straight either....theres some other classification for only being attracted to tgirls that look like girls.
I love how every troll comes out to say "be upfront with them". These are the same guys who post "keep your cock!!!' when a girl talks about getting SRS. 99.9 percent of them would deny knowing you if you ran into them in person and they were with their mother.
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Originally Posted by NYTSJulie
Gotta call BS on this one....Maybe its the circles you run in.
And yeah, im in the keep your cock camp, at least medical technology isnt the horrible butchery it is right now.
Well, also this kind of goes back to the larger issue that blossomed from the "Do T-girls like to be sucked off" thread.
There were posters chiming in when some of the ladies said they didn't like it at all with things like "that's sad," or "that makes no sense."
Essentially, it seems that they're missing the whole idea of what being TG is. I'm not TG, so please forgive me if I'm mischaracterizing here. As I understand it, the goal is not to live as a "chick with a dick," but to live as a woman.
And if Julie and Kelly or anyone else is living as a woman, there is absolutely no good reason whatsoever at the earliest stage of a relationship to share their transitioning status.
It's anatomy, not gender. If a woman had a really large clit, or inverted nipples, would she be required to divulge that within 3 conversations? Of course not.
As someone said above, there's not going to be one universal "right" way of doing things. But to try to tell someone else when they should share that kind of information is silly, especially when they have the day to day experience with peoples' reactions and predjudices.
And this is all completely seperate from the unfortunate danger issues.