Someone should hack their television stations and tell them they're a bunch of woman hating fucking dumbasses, sucking on the tit of Big Oil, and that their amazing ancestors curse this generation from their graves.
Would that help? :)
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Someone should hack their television stations and tell them they're a bunch of woman hating fucking dumbasses, sucking on the tit of Big Oil, and that their amazing ancestors curse this generation from their graves.
Would that help? :)
No Saudi Arabia is a good country.
Don't forget how much they help us and how much in-debt are to them. They are our friends. Those aren't bad human rights, Iran has bad human rights because they don't like us.
yep. To quote Al Pacino, "What a sham!"Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Methinks Seanchai was using sarcasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by braveman
Their Country - Their Laws. She has to abide by them.
If, for example a teacher who happens to be muslim, working in a catholic or largely catholic/christian school in Ireland or New York, named a teddy bear 'Jesus', or Pope Paul (or what ever the name of the current one is) wouldnt Catholics be up in Arms? Remember the hell they gave Sinead for ripping up the pope's picture on live tv in her protests against paedo priests?
Dont forget Christians (catholics and protestants) used to kill and torture and brutalise people for centuries in the name of their religion. Wasnt slavery and genocide/theft of land against native americans based on religious grounds?
I have a hard time believing that any of this shit is new.Quote:
Originally Posted by suckseed
I'll credit their ancestors for one thing, and one thing only, and that is saving most of the works of ancient greece and rome from book-burning-mania christians.
Otherwise, Islam has always had the Koran, and the Koran has always emphasized treating women like dogs, and infidels even worse.
Jerry and Kate McCann went to see the Pope to ask if he could help find their daughter.
The Pope said he'd love to help but the Catholic Clergy was more used to hunting down small boys.
KHARTOUM, Sudan (AP) -- Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, rallied Friday in a central square and demanded the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear ''Muhammad.''
The protesters streamed out of mosques after Friday sermons, as pickup trucks with loudspeakers blared messages against Gillian Gibbons, the teacher who was sentenced Thursday to 15 days in prison and deportation. She avoided the more serious punishment of 40 lashes.
They massed in central Martyrs Square outside the presidential palace, where hundreds of riot police were deployed. They did not try to stop the rally, which lasted about an hour.
''Shame, shame on the U.K.,'' protesters chanted.
They called for Gibbons' execution, saying, ''No tolerance: Execution,'' and ''Kill her, kill her by firing squad.''
The women's prison where Gibbons is being held is far from the square.
Several hundred protesters, not openly carrying weapons, marched about a mile away to Unity High School, where Gibbons worked. They chanted slogans outside the school, which is closed and under heavy security, then marched toward the nearby British Embassy. They were stopped by security forces two blocks away from the embassy.
The protest arose despite vows by Sudanese security officials the day before, during Gibbons' trial, that threatened demonstrations after Friday prayers would not take place. Some of the protesters carried green banners with the name of the Society for Support of the Prophet Muhammad, a previously unknown group.
Many protesters carried clubs, knives and axes -- but not automatic weapons, which some have brandished at past government-condoned demonstrations. That suggested Friday's rally was not organized by the government.
A Muslim cleric at Khartoum's main Martyrs Mosque denounced Gibbons during one sermon, saying she intentionally insulted Islam. He did not call for protests, however.
''Imprisoning this lady does not satisfy the thirst of Muslims in Sudan. But we welcome imprisonment and expulsion,'' the cleric, Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri, a well-known hard-liner, told worshippers.
''This an arrogant woman who came to our country, cashing her salary in dollars, teaching our children hatred of our Prophet Muhammad,'' he said.
Britain, meanwhile, pursued diplomatic moves to free Gibbons. Prime Minister Gordon Brown spoke with a member of her family to convey his regret, his spokeswoman said.
''He set out his concern and the fact that we were doing all we could to secure her release,'' spokeswoman Emily Hands told reporters.
Most Britons expressed shock at the verdict by a court in Khartoum, alongside hope it would not raise tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims in Britain.
''One of the good things is the U.K. Muslims who've condemned the charge as completely out of proportion,'' said Paul Wishart, 37, a student in London.
''In the past, people have been a bit upset when different atrocities have happened and there hasn't been much voice in the U.K. Islamic population, whereas with this, they've quickly condemned it.''
Muhammad Abdul Bari, secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, accused the Sudanese authorities of ''gross overreaction.''
''This case should have required only simple common sense to resolve. It is unfortunate that the Sudanese authorities were found wanting in this most basic of qualities,'' he said.
The Muslim Public Affairs Committee, a political advocacy group, said the prosecution was ''abominable and defies common sense.''
Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, spiritual leader of the world's 77 million Anglicans, said Gibbons' prosecution and conviction was ''an absurdly disproportionate response to what is at worst a cultural faux pas.''
Foreign Secretary David Miliband summoned the Sudanese ambassador late Thursday to express Britain's disappointment with the verdict. The Foreign Office said Britain would continue diplomatic efforts to achieve ''a swift resolution'' to the crisis.
Gibbons was arrested Sunday after another staff member at the school complained that she had allowed her 7-year-old students to name a teddy bear Muhammad. Giving the name of the Muslim prophet to an animal or a toy could be considered insulting.
The case put Sudan's government in an embarrassing position -- facing the anger of Britain on one side and potential trouble from powerful Islamic hard-liners on the other. Many saw the 15-day sentence as an attempt to appease both sides.
In The Times, columnist Bronwen Maddox said the verdict was ''something of a fudge ... designed to give a nod to British reproof but also to appease the street.''
Britain's response -- applying diplomatic pressure while extolling ties with Sudan and affirming respect for Islam -- had produced mixed results, British commentators concluded.
In an editorial, The Daily Telegraph said Miliband ''has tiptoed around the case, avoiding a threat to cut aid and asserting that respect for Islam runs deep in Britain. Given that much of the government's financial support goes to the wretched refugees in Darfur and neighboring Chad, Mr. Miliband's caution is understandable.''
Now, however, the newspaper said, Britain should recall its ambassador in Khartoum and impose sanctions on the Sudanese regime.
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Associated Press writers Jill Lawless, David Stringer and Kate Schuman in London contributed to this report.
And regarding the "how would christians react to a
similar situation?" scenario, since there are endless
hispanic guys named Jesus you would imagine that
a person could just as well name a teddy bear Jesus.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. We live in a nation where an artist can create a Jesus out of chocolate (sculpture) and it causes a HUGE uproar.
Or
We can discuss the kids who wore the "God is Dead" t-shirts and almost got expelled from school.
So before we go lashing out at how "crazy" other religions are in this world - let's look at what we do.
It is my pleasure to insult the Islamic religious zealots, throughout the world.....FUCK MOHAMMED IN THE ASS!!!
Now, come a get me!
Yes, I can quite see how almost getting expelled from school, and being sent to prison while an armed mob bays for your blood, are on the same level. :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Choc69
Well he knows how to spoil the fun! I was hoping to see a good old fahioned lashing....:(
I say we campaign against the decision :)
This has been a Foreign Office triumph. A real feather in David Milliband's cap. Won't be long before that slimy bastard is Prime Minister.
Indeed, in my day one might be nailed to the school walls by the school bullies for breathing after 10PM, or be bought down by the school leopard for attempting to escape during a rugby match...Quote:
Originally Posted by timxxx
Apparently she's sentence has been commuted by the Sudanese President.
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/teacher...03065309990001
You missed my point. My point is that WE take offense to people who we see as disrespecting our religion. Yes, they have more "passion" about theQuote:
Originally Posted by lazyman
end result. I was not comparing apples to apples. I stand by my original post - Their Country, Their Laws. If you want to venture into a country with strict laws then you should be prepared to pay the piper. Period.
Sorry - this will be the same reply that I gave another poster:Quote:
Originally Posted by braveman
You missed my point. My point is that WE take offense to people who we see as disrespecting our religion. Yes, they have more "passion" about the
end result. I was not comparing apples to apples. I stand by my original post - Their Country, Their Laws. If you want to venture into a country with strict laws then you should be prepared to pay the piper. Period.
No arguably the big difference between the US (and western society in general) and Sudan. Is that the US is the product of a post-renaissance, post-enlightenment society. While the Sudan (its political issues aside) is the product of a ultra-orthodox 'literalist' interpretation of Islam. It is a country and a religion that has never experienced the renaissance, the enlightenment, the reformation, the counter-reformation etc. Leaving it and its fellow ultra-orthodox adherents firmly stuck in the theological equivalent of the middle ages, what we see on tv is the corresponding mind-set in action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Choc69
It's really no different than western europe in the 15th & 16th centuries, when we thought the world was flat and we burned people alive for heresy. Some society's have moved on, some have not (for a variety of reasons). The largely secular west generally no longer believes in literal truth of the bible, Islam on the other hand is based around the literal truth of the Qur'an. Neither point of view (or culture) is reconcilable with the other.
L.