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358,000 ?!?!? Do you know how little that is? That's like a .3 share, which is technically a zero in the ratings book.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefmike
As for his radio show, I'd have to look it up, but there's no way it's in the millions. Maybe that's his potential listener ship.
I don't know what your referencing about minorities being censored, but Imus was suspended for 2 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unisex
And it should have gone unnoticed, it was a stupid joke. All this publicity is just making him more famous.
I'm not sure what you're getting at exactly, do want him fined by the FCC? For saying nappy headed ho's?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Unisex
So you want to fight censorship with more censorship?Quote:
Originally Posted by Unisex
Knocking the towers and "nappy headed ho's" are two different things. I honestly don't think hiphop is censored and especially with "saying what they want on radio." And with regards to hiphop movement from 88-92 thats a totally different thing. The biggest censorship had to do with the 2 Live Crew show in Florida where they were accused of having a female member of their dance troope give an 8 year old a lap dance and Snoop's album Doggystyle supposedly telling people how to treat women- that album by the way was being boycotted by a black woman- and I think the correct term for that is "black on black". So I really don't think hiphop was censored. Anything else had to do with NWA and that's only because they were appearing on TV with guns. Can you imagine white people appearing on tv with guns saying their going to "clean up Oakland"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Unisex
So in effect, I don't agree with your points sir.
Is this something along the lines of David Allen Coe? Because I really don't have to listen to that to "get it." I can listen to anything by Kanye (whom by the way I like to now called misinformed) and get the opposite side of the spectrum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unisex
I have several opinions on this matter which I'll keep in check for the moment, but why do some in here automatically feel that the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world take stands on cases such as this one for their own benefit or to pursue some political agenda? Talk about cynicism at work? Did it ever occur to any of their detractors here and elsewhere that the Jacksons, Sharptons, and other minority rights leaders, offer a voice for those who might not be heard otherwise? Would this be on the forefront of every national news cast if only a few members of the Rutgers team held a press conference to chastise Imus? I doubt it.
Yes, one can debate their gaffes (Hymietown,Tawna Brawley,etc), and thus hypocrisy, particularly given that Sharpton wants Imus fired, but frequently appears on the O'Reilly Factor -- the biggest closet bigot (O'Reilly) on the Fox News network. The bottom line is that the Jacksons and Sharptons serve a noble purpose in that they want those who say things like this to be held accountable, and that we as a civilized society move forwards and not backwards. Let's also not forget that Sharpton in particular has been consistent in this area given his frequent -- FREQUENT -- criticism of rap music and its mysogynistic lyrics. I can certainly understand why this gaffe by Imus would really upset a man such as Sharpton, and why he would want Imus's head on a platter. I personally think it's a bit on the extreme to ask for this man's job, but I can also understand why the Sharptons and Jacksons are asking for it. It's simply another case of the "man" trying to tell a minority what and what not to find offensive.
... If only the TS community had someone such as a Jackson or Sharpton to bring light to the issues and mistreatment to what some of the girls here experience on a daily basis.
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Originally Posted by Realgirls4me
Of course it's for their own personal political agenda. They only come out of the woodwork when someone says something offensive about Blacks. Jackson may have some small ties to other minority groups, but Sharpton is a shameless self promoter.
You can't just shrug off the fact that Sharpton is probably an even bigger racist than Imus. He made some horrible remarks towards the Korean American community, not to mention the whole Tawna Brawley debacle. The fact that he is demanding an apology from Imus or any other racist is fucking ridiculous.
No one is telling you or me what you can and can't find offensive. If you don't like Imus, don't listen. Pretty simple.
By all means, do look it up...Quote:
As for his radio show, I'd have to look it up, but there's no way it's in the millions.
I tried, specific radio ratings are hard to find. On Wikipedia it says in 2005 he averaged 3.5 million per week, which is who knows how many per day, certainly not millions though. If you can find something other than a vague "millions of listeners", I'd love to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefmike
But there are plenty of articles saying how his ratings are at an all time low, his ratings are slipping, things like that.
You can't be a racist without power. That's the difference between a bigot and his/her twisted views, and a bigot in charge of Jim Crow laws. See the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac_Hine
Of course he and leaders such as Jackson are going to come out and defend blacks. Did you read my friggin' post? Can you name one prominent white on the forefront of this particular issue holding Imus accountable for what he said? Name one. And not one on the coat tails of Sharpton or Jackson following after the fact.
You're clueless. I expect your next question to be: Yeah, how come blacks can call themselves "niggas", but when we whites do it, they get bent out of shape?
Right?
"You can't be a racist without power"Quote:
Originally Posted by Realgirls4me
What power does Imus have? A shitty low rated talk show? Would you even know about what he said if Sharpton of whoever the fuck decided "that the Kramer story is getting old, time to fuck with Imus."
Not one prominent white gives two shits about Don Imus. Neither do any serious prominent blacks. The only people who care are the ones trying make something out of nothing to futher their own agendas.
I'll agree with you sharpton and jackson speak for those who can't speak for themselves, take the widow of the african american who was wrongfully shoot in NYC for no reason by several cops,sharpton simply gave the widow a voice in that community.Alot of times african americans don't have the money to hire big attorneys and such people like sharpton volunteer thier services for free which they should be applauded for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Realgirls4me
And I'll say nigga or nigger or whatever whenever the fuck I want. It's about context. If you think that makes me a racist, you're the clueless one.
I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac_Hine
Jaysus, you're ignorant, with such an "open mind" to boot.
Keep worrying about Imus's potty mouth. Good way to spend your time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Realgirls4me
So it is okay for a rapper to call our Black sisters hoes and bitches, but it's not okay for another to call them names. there is one on this site that calls himself nigga so why get upset let it go as I do.
And what exactly was the offensive part? The nappy? The ho's? Does it have to be a combination to get peoples feathers all ruffled?
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Originally Posted by DeClock
Hell no it's not ok for anyone to disrespect a african american female when will people stop using that as an excuse for others to get away from being racist, oh he can say it and i should be able to as well.
No one should be using those words period..
That low rated talk show gives him power(exposure), over that of, say, some trailer park trash spouting shit to his buddies while sitting on a tree trunk somewhere in the south drinking moonshine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac_Hine
And what agenda is that, Einstein? What do those two expect to extract from this issue? So first you speak for Jackson and Sharpton, and now you also speak for prominent whites?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac Hine
There you go again. Let me put it to you once again: You have no right to tell another what they should or shouldn't deem offensive. I suppose you find a handicapped person fodder for jokes too, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac Hine
Are you from the south by chance?
Declock,
Sharpton has been consistent in that area. Consistent. He has slammed, and continues to slam rappers for such lyrics.
Maybe you should watch C-SPAN on occasion and not what you just want to hear.
LMAFO..... Every time that guy posts, I can't help but laugh to myself. He almost inspired me to change my ID to Mackerel_Snatching_Mick_Paddy_Potato_Famine_Guy, but then I remembered that I'm not a moron so I didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeClock
-Quinn
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I'll agree with you sharpton and jackson speak for those who can't speak for themselves, take the widow of the african american who was wrongfully shoot in NYC for no reason by several cops,sharpton simply gave the widow a voice in that community.Alot of times african americans don't have the money to hire big attorneys and such people like sharpton volunteer thier services for free which they should be applauded for.
or take the case at Duke, where the 2 of them showed up for support of the stripper, who by the way has pretty much proved she lied.
but never the less shapton and jackson were there to get their face on tv.
not gonna get in a pissing match over this, but jackson and sharpton have been doing this for years, not sure how old you are, but these guys ain't got no job, they live of what money they can snake out of you, wink, wink...... donations.
Thanks for avoiding most of my points and making blind assumptions about where I live. I'm actually in sunny southern california.Quote:
Originally Posted by Realgirls4me
I was asking a question, not telling you what to find offensive. Not having nappy hair I was unaware this was a sore spot for some people.
Jackson, and Sharpton especially, have pretty clear agendas. They rile up the black community to believing that kramer or imus is the cause for all their worries, while avoiding more serious and difficult problems. This is how they make a living, and they're both very wealthy from it.
Jesus, God forbid someone defend speech they don't personally agree with, what a travesty.
Mac_Hine....ratings go up and down, as I'm sure you know...like I told someone in the P&R forum here...I switch between Imus and CNN in the AM before I go to "the office"...you know, the kind of office that you get to use knives in... 8)
But as for 2005 ratings, etc. here is an excerpt from businessweek:
Book sellers, Senators, Congressmen, media personalities and even clergy are always after the same audience as Imus’s advertisers: affluent, educated and influential men, many of whom not only buy books, but count as swing voters. Imus’s show, while politically charged, skews neither right nor left, which makes it a refreshing switch from the wing-nut harangue of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity or the Air America Crew. “I don’t know anyone in Washington who doesn’t listen to Imus or watch him on TV,” says CBS News and Face The Nation anchor Bob Schieffer, a frequent guest, who politely admitted to me the show has become a more valued outlet for many DC elite than either of his programs. “I get more feedback off my spots on Imus than from my own shows,” laughs Schieffer.
Imus’s influence is transcending the size of his audience. Imus In The Morning, reaches about 3.25 million radio listeners a week, according to industry trade journal Talkers Magazine (plus another 335,000 an hour on TV). His radio audience is about a quarter of Limbaugh's weekly following and less than half of Stern's. But blue-chip and family-oriented advertisers like Chrysler, Bigelow Tea and The New York Stock Exchange are prepared to pay top dollar to flog their brands on Imus; his show commands advertising rates of $1,333-$1,500 per thousand listeners versus about $1,000 for Limbaugh and Stern, according to industry sources.
I think that Imus was a fucking idiot for appearing on Sharpton's show to defend himself...he walked into Sharpton's show by himself only to be greeted by an angry mob...but Sharpton was too chickenshit to appear on the Imus show today...Imus raises money for numerous charities...not to mention the camp that he has for kids with cancer...he was also instrumental in publicizing the need for a raise in military death benefits...in addition to raising money for the new military medical facility that our worthless administration couldn't seem to find the money for...I guess that Halliburton got it all...
And a well crafted handicap joke will give me a serious case of the lulz.
If memory serves, Jesse Jackson also stated that he/his orgaqnization would pick up the cost of the accuser's tuition until she completes her degree. I hope more people have the integrity to step forward and reward a woman who has knowingly made false accusations of rape -- for the second fucking time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ILuvGurls
-Quinn
And as for PC...it's still OK for to characterize anyone from the south as being moonshine-drinking trailer trash, isn't it? Just another PC double standard...
Yeah, but the point is he's hardly a house hold name. He wields very little power and by himself has no influence on national debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefmike
As far as the interview, that was fucking comedy. Imus was squirming like a mother fucker, every time Sharpton asked him a question he would get all awkward and bring up his cancer camp.
That's BS...he called out Sharpton on several things...no influence on national debate?
More BS.
Book sellers, Senators, Congressmen, media personalities and even clergy are always after the same audience as Imus’s advertisers: affluent, educated and influential men, many of whom not only buy books, but count as swing voters. Imus’s show, while politically charged, skews neither right nor left, which makes it a refreshing switch from the wing-nut harangue of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity or the Air America Crew. “I don’t know anyone in Washington who doesn’t listen to Imus or watch him on TV,” says CBS News and Face The Nation anchor Bob Schieffer, a frequent guest, who politely admitted to me the show has become a more valued outlet for many DC elite than either of his programs. “I get more feedback off my spots on Imus than from my own shows,” laughs Schieffer.
Imus’s influence is transcending the size of his audience. Imus In The Morning, reaches about 3.25 million radio listeners a week, according to industry trade journal Talkers Magazine (plus another 335,000 an hour on TV). His radio audience is about a quarter of Limbaugh's weekly following and less than half of Stern's. But blue-chip and family-oriented advertisers like Chrysler, Bigelow Tea and The New York Stock Exchange are prepared to pay top dollar to flog their brands on Imus; his show commands advertising rates of $1,333-$1,500 per thousand listeners versus about $1,000 for Limbaugh and Stern, according to industry sources.
hahahh yeah, the one time he called him out he got defensive and called them "you people". Keep digging that hole hahahah.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefmike
Seriously, you think anyone outside of New York and parts of the midwest knows who he is?
Knew who he was, that is. Thanks to the good Rev. he's famous like a mother fucker.
Other than you, yes...you obviously don't know jack about the facts...stop watching the cartoon network, zippy...
How did this thing turn from discussing the foul words from a racist bigot to what sharpton and jackson have done,you really see where people are coming from on issues like this.
Imus knew what he was getting into when he agreed to be on sharptons show,he wanted quick forgiveness from black people but it didn't quite work out.
HAHAHAH yeah I get all my hard hitting world news and current events from Don fucking Imus.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefmike
It's pretty obvious that you are a FAUX (FOX) news listener...so later, clown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac_Hine
Don Imus is a fucking moron, that part is obvious. Should he be fined or fired for what he said, though? Of course not. It's JUST WORDS. DON'T LISTEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend
If any "black leader" would come out for a boycott of his show, I say go for it. Power to the people. Just don't go running to the corporations, begging daddy to stop the terrible man and his mean words.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH you got me pegged, cause there's a huge difference between fox and msnbc. I haven't watched tv news in years, it's all the same propaganda bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefmike
I don't get why 'nappy headed hos' has to be racist, it's a comment about hair not race. I went to a fairly liberal college, there were many hippies, white, non white, male, female with what I might call 'nappy' hair. It's not Michael Richards with the 'N' word.
Your mindset is that from an impoverished stereotypical ignorant southener from the 1950s ... My apologies to those from the south currently reading this exchange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac_Hine
I didn't avoid your points, and if anything it is you who are digressing. Reread my posts and your responses. If anything it's you who is avoiding my points. And if one is going to make these types of comments, get ready to pay the piper for it. No one is suggesting we do away with the First Amendment.
You are still missing the point about what and what others should find painful or offensive. You cannot claim that position, particularly when you don't even see why these comments were deemed offensive. Have you seen the Rutgers women talk about it yet? If not, then do it.
Please -- PLEASE -- tell me about these "clear agendas". So they should stay mute and incidents like this should be allowed to be continued unfettered? How dare those blacks get "riled up" over a man getting shot 50 times on his wedding night, huh? Are incidents such as this not indicative of something greater perhaps? So you are now the arbiter of "more serious and difficult problems"? Given your claim that they have "clear agendas", who then determines what is "serious and difficult"? Someone white (I pressume) like you? Yeah, you'll give them a break, right? I suppose when they came out against the Texaco executives caught making racist comments ("black jellie beans",etc), that that issue also wasn't serious or difficult? By the way, have you ever been followed in a store because of your color? Been denied a place because of your color? Been turned down for a loan because of your color, etc?
I agree with Mike. You are totally Fox News. Deal with it, Sport!
... By the way, I dare you to call any of our African-American posters, "Nigga", since it is simply all about context with you. Let's see how they'll react knowing you are white ?