That is why he is being tried. The indictment actually says he had the right to say he won the election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
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That is why he is being tried. The indictment actually says he had the right to say he won the election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Tell it to the 'experts' like Alan Dershowitz who insists this is a free speech case, or Kevin McCarthy or all the other men and women in denial who in any case don't regard the Siege of Congress as a big deal and now constantly cite JFK's success in Hawaii. There, a dispute over the result led to a recount which confirmed that JFK beat Nixon, so that the JFK electors were the legitimate representatives of Hawaii in the Electoral College. In none of the recounts in disputed cases in 2020 was the outcome different- Biden won, Trump lost, so Pence had no basis on which to 'pause' the certification process. But who among those self-invented historians cares about the facts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
If it was the Titanic, they would have dismissed the iceberg fantasy, and be ordering another round of Dom Perignon.
Fact Check: Did Vice President Richard Nixon Reject Hawaii's Election Results in 1960? (newsweek.com)
It doesn't matter what the talking heads think. It matters what the jury thinks (if Trump isn't successful in delaying the trial until after the 2024 election).Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Agree it doesn't his enablers in Congress,Senate and The Propaganda Channel thinks,it matters what the jury thinks. And Donald Trump's efforts to delay the trial after the 2024 Presidential Election is going to fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
So by stepping away from the debate, you ensure that Trump and his followers shape the daily news agenda. Surely this is a time when responsible people should be exposing the worthless drivel that is being promoted by Trump, by Dershowitz and those other 'talking heads' you don't much care about. It means Rudolph Giuliani can get away with his cheap, vulgar attacks on his former colleagues; that Trump can not only maintain his relentless abuse of the justice system, but also harass, intimidate, and even threaten people, albeit so far un-named individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
Where is the opposition to this full frontal assault of Democracy and the Rule of Law? Nowhere.
Every day could see responsible people ask how Trump made his money in the 1990s, and follow the leads which suggest he laundered money for the Russian mafia through his New Jersey casinos. They could hammer home the fact that in the 2016 election, Trump sided with the Russians against the US making him, in effect, a traitor. They could highlight the fact that when the Covid virus began sweeping across the USA, Trump had the legal and moral duty to protect and defend the US- instead he insulted and abused the State of Washington; when the State of New York pleaded for Federal Personal Protection Equipment, Trump and Jared Kushner deliberately stopped it so as to make the Democrats look weak and useless. And when Trump insulted, abused and attacked Gretchen Whitmer his followers hatched a plan to kidnap and assassinate her, when Trump should have been working 14 hours a day to help Michigan. Then there are the multiple times Trump has fantasied about having sex with his daughter. Trump was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein and knew of his interest in young girls -did he ever inform law enforcement of his buddy's criminal activities? Nah. All of these could be the daily feed to prove Trump never was, and never will be fit for public office.
Trump is a liar and a crook.
Trump is a traitor to the USA.
Trump is a disgusting, incestuous beast.
But hey, I guess he will get away with everything, because it seems people are so exhausted by his permanent state of Narcissistic Glory, they prefer to switch off and hide under the sofa and hope he will just go away.
Trump's casino was a money laundering concern shortly after it opened | CNN Politics
Exclusive: Trump Made Shocking Comments About Ivanka, Says Ex-Staffer (newsweek.com)
What are you wanting Fitz to do? Maybe you want something like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXv7SZCRfe8
No, that is just knee jerk hysteria. The point is that in effect, the election campaign has begun but there seems to be little attempt to take on Trump, De Santis and the various loud mouths who occupy their space, though an article in the NYT suggests Kamala Harris is keen to get involved. Democrts have allowed Trump to control the news cycle, when the news cycle should be forcing him to defend his record of treachery and failure, his disgusting personality.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
If Trump wants everything to be about him, then expose him to the most brutal realities that can be used against him. he has after all been giving his opponents as much rope to hang him with as they need. To sit back and do nothing on the basis a jury will convict is just not good politics. And Biden can't do it and probably ought not to, focusing instead on what his admin's achievements are so far.
It's an open goal, but no scores for the right side of democracy and the rule of law.
Georgia on my mind:
https://apnews.com/article/trump-geo...8708de1b011ed3
That phone call can't be faked, it stands out as a pure example of the drivel that Trump believed, but also a demonstration of his attempt to reverse the people's vote. The slander of the two election workers, and the participation of others in this conspiracy makes one wonder if any of the accused will flip on Trump, or go down with him.
I am possibly surprised Cleta Mitchell is not named, as she was on the phone call complaining to Raffensperger that his office had refused to provide her with some polling data, which he pointed out would have been against Georgia's election law.
But am I right in thinking it is the 'Racketeering' indictment that is the most serious -or is it so broad the defence could chip away at it?
But I assume every citizen of the USA is equal before the law, right? Not that Lindsay Graham seems to know this.
Yes, it is serious, and carries a mandatory 5-year prison term. The defense will claim lots of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
The phone call Donald Trump made to Georgia Secretary Brad Raffensperger back on December 2nd 2020 pressuring him to find 11,780 votes is very real,despite what he and enablers claims. Yes you are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Donald Trump's defense can make all the claims they want,but they're ain't going to stick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
The Georgia trial will be televised. "Must See TV" Who will flip? I bet Rudy Giuliani will. He doesn't want to spend the rest of his life in prison. There are 30 unindicted co-conspirators in this case who could still face charges later. There will be a lot of pressure on them to talk.
What's the deal with Mark Meadows? I don't know much about him, but he seems either a willing accomplice, or another of those deluded people who joined the team thinking they could 'control' or 'moderate' the man who will not be told what to do. And is Trump allowed to insult and abuse judges, lawyers, prosecutors and witnesses? He gets away with so much I wonder if he thinks he is immune -?Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke Warm
Last week I watched a football match in which the USA Women's team were beaten on penalties by Sweden. Can I state that in spite of the documented result, I sincerely believe the USA won that match? If I did so, the response would be -why?
So Sean Hannity says that Trump sincerely believes he won the State of Georgia in the 2020 election, but cannot explain why Trump believes this when all of the facts say he lost, and all of Trump's allegations about the means whereby he lost have been proven to be false. Hannity then goes on to describe the 'dual justice' system in the US on the basis it is biased against Trump whereas the evidence shows it is Trump who has been treated not just differently from other alleged felons, but favourably.
This denial of facts, of the truth has reached a point of absurdity. Hannity might as well claim 9/11 never happened, that what you saw on TV was all made up. But then, again, the question would follow: Why?
Is it so hard to admit to losing, to being wrong, to losing votes in a State they expected to win?
Sean Hannity Predicts Outcome Of Trump Trials And Names Specific GOP Challenge (yahoo.com)
Oh, the right doesn't like that team anyway:
https://jezebel.com/republicans-cele...s-w-1850713259
Will he or won't he?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/trumps-leg...y?id=102336380
I think he will chicken out of this stunt, given that he may be open to yet more litigation -but this is a man who hires lawyers by the dozen -and doesn't pay them, or expects the public to pay- and then ignores their advice!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
That has worked out fabulously for him so far, so why change? So far he only seems to have been held accountable for one lawsuit. And the rubes will keep sending him money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
The MAGA King Donald Trump won't,because he's going to do what he always does, which is play the victim and dupe his supporters into giving him money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
It looks like Giuliani's in financial trouble and Trump has refused to help, so that's another factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke Warm
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...r-a-lago-visit
"Trump announced the planned press conference with a social media post shortly after he and 18 co-defendants were indicted late Monday in Georgia. He said he would present, "A Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable REPORT on the Presidential Election Fraud which took place in Georgia.""Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
Right, that would be the irrefutable evidence of electoral fraud that for some reason he's kept to himself since November 2020. If there really was a "large, complex and detailed report" Trump would obviously not have read it.
He's called it off now. He says it isn't necessary. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
The argument now is that State Officials can refuse to allow Trump to be listed as a Candidate on Ballot papers in the 2024 election. Two articles, some both referencing the Federalist Society, are here, and base their argument on the Constitution's ban on any citizen who has engaged in Insurrection or given comfort and support to anyone else who has.
"“In our view, on the basis of the public record, former President Donald J. Trump is constitutionally disqualified from again being President (or holding any other covered office) because of his role in the attempted overthrow of the 2020 election and the events leading to the January 6 attack,” law professors William Baude and Michael Stokes Paulsen wrote for the University of Pennsylvania Law Review. “The case for disqualification is strong.”"
Legal scholars increasingly raise constitutional argument that Trump should be barred from presidency | CNN Politics
Trump should be kept off the ballot | Maryland Daily Record (thedailyrecord.com)
But will any State actually do this?
Time will tell. I can't imagine my state of Florida removing him from the ballot, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
It will be interesting to see if any state would remove Donald Trump from the ballot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Trump bared from being listed on USA ballets and running for office .
14 Amendment of constitution
The Constitution bars Trump from holding public office ever again
While some on the right portray accountability for the Jan. 6 Capitol riot as just another partisan dispute, two prominent conservative legal scholars have made the case that the Constitution disqualifies former President Trump from public office.
Last week, law professors William Baude of the University of Chicago and Michael Stokes Paulsen of the University of St. Thomas both members of the conservative Federalist Society argued in a law review article that Trump is already constitutionally forbidden from serving in public office because of Section Three of the 14th Amendment
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...in/ar-AA1fp0eb
Trump in a Tutu? The imagined image alone is scary.Quote:
Originally Posted by natina
Look at the hideous baby trying not to cry.
Attachment 1428097
That is one ass looking miserable pile of shit. Who is the embodiment of the imbeciles who voted for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
I think he was trying for the "If you go after me, I'm coming after you" look.
The man seems to have only two looks - the angry pout and the self-satisfied smirk.
And right on cue,the MAGA King and Mediawhore Donald Trump is right back on Twitter selling t-shirts with his mugshot on them for $34.00. And the gullible fools who voted for him will be buying them.
At least you have the unedited photo -quite a few in the press are editing out the Sheriff's badge. There is also some speculation about his recorded weight but I don't know much about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnightHawk 2.0
I noticed that speculation as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
There's no way he only weighs 215 pounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
He looks like a man who has "lost the plot" since he was born.
Actually, he's followed the plot he learned from his father and Roy Cohn - ignore all the rules, declare you own reality and go after anyone who crosses you.
The psychopath look obviously goes over well with the MAGA crowd.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...ising-00113118
How to become rich: persuade other people to give their money to you. One wonders if the money will be spent on legal fees, given Trump's reputation for not bothering to pay. All those billions he is worth, and he won't spend a dime on his own defence. Need to know anything else?Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2