im going to get into trouble how many more will die

I was going to put this thought in the Global Warming thread, but it probably works here as well.
I don't think it's that people don't care, they just don't have the resources or understanding or the place to make a difference or even understand what's going on. Today it's burning rain forests in Brazil. If you step up and ask to get involved they'll ask you to write a check. People have been claiming the sky is falling as long as I've lived, it's understandable people want to tune it out. The last 75 years, all the significant problems of the World eventually end up in the lap of the United States President. I honestly think if all the U S Presidents walked into a room together Trump would not walk out. Of course that's complete gibberish, but I still believe it. I wouldn't walk up to someone in the Safeway and say it, maybe it's good if FuFu doesn't either.

I'm A lover, not a writer. The gun laws are weak, like the first amendment. My toes were stepped on when Snoop Dog was allowed to use profanity in his lyrics. The solutions are not for me to endorse or offer a solution, that's for the people I elected. I have a AR 15 for the same reason a lot of law abiding gun owners do, I enter contests a have some fun shooting at paper targets. I feel this is safer than sitting at home or a bar and harming others through my BAC. I follow the rules to a "t", such as pointing the gun in a safe direction. I make sure the gun is unloaded during transport. I also clean and lube it so it will not cause negligent mishaps. Do I need to go on? The big word in all of this is "responsibility." Do you drink responsible? I also keep my gun in a safe that only I have the combo for Is your alcohol lock up?

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I'm A lover, not a writer. The gun laws are weak, like the first amendment. My toes were stepped on when Snoop Dog was allowed to use profanity in his lyrics. The solutions are not for me to endorse or offer a solution, that's for the people I elected. I have a AR 15 for the same reason a lot of law abiding gun owners do, I enter contests a have some fun shooting at paper targets. I feel this is safer than sitting at home or a bar and harming others through my BAC. I follow the rules to a "t", such as pointing the gun in a safe direction. I make sure the gun is unloaded during transport. I also clean and lube it so it will not cause negligent mishaps. Do I need to go on? The big word in all of this is "responsibility." Do you drink responsible? I also keep my gun in a safe that only I have the combo for Is your alcohol lock up?

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I rest my case.

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I'm A lover, not a writer. The gun laws are weak, like the first amendment. My toes were stepped on when Snoop Dog was allowed to use profanity in his lyrics. The solutions are not for me to endorse or offer a solution, that's for the people I elected. I have a AR 15 for the same reason a lot of law abiding gun owners do, I enter contests a have some fun shooting at paper targets. I feel this is safer than sitting at home or a bar and harming others through my BAC. I follow the rules to a "t", such as pointing the gun in a safe direction. I make sure the gun is unloaded during transport. I also clean and lube it so it will not cause negligent mishaps. Do I need to go on? The big word in all of this is "responsibility." Do you drink responsible? I also keep my gun in a safe that only I have the combo for Is your alcohol lock up?

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You could shoot paper targets with an air rifle or a. 22. Doesn't justify owning an AR 15.

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Wasn't worth trying to engage with you either, was it?... :shrug

Hung Angels-
Hung Jury

I just read Ruth Bader Ginsburg has pancreatic Cancer.
I was a fool for believing Trump when he said Obama fumbled the ball by not filling 138 empty Federal Judge seats. McConnell blocked them all. Now we're staring at another Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court.

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Call me cynical but both sides of this argument seemed to have left too little room for pragmatism. You're a bit naive if you think your opinions are going to influence any bystanders who might be on the fence. Whether well informed or not most Americans have already formed their own opinions on the subject, and are likely to disregard your thoughts on the matter at face value simply because you're "European". I'm pro 2nd amendment and I've long since found it completely worthless to debunk the often blatantly untrue "facts", and logically flawed arguments the pro-gun folks always seemed to be armed with. Feel free to engage with that as you see fit.

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I just read Ruth Bader Ginsburg has pancreatic Cancer. I was a fool for believing Trump when he said Obama fumbled the ball by not filling 138 empty Federal Judge seats. McConnell blocked them all. Now we're staring at another Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court.

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Moron, RGB is fine, she always has Cancer. Once again you've made fantastic claims with no hard evidence to back them up. I suggest you ban yourself.

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I'm pro 2nd amendment and I've long since found it completely worthless to debunk the often blatantly untrue "facts", and logically flawed arguments the pro-gun folks always seemed to be armed with. Feel free to engage with that as you see fit.

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None of the recommendations filghy made violate the 2nd amendment as it's been interpreted by the Supreme Court thus far. It's possible political debate just isn't for you. Not everyone enjoys it and that's fine.

Maybe the strategy behind the retention of the 2nd Amendment and the refusal of people like McConnell to really think deeply about gun control is based on the view that President .45 is gradually and successfully eroding the meaning and purpose of the Presidency and Congress, and that the ultimate prize is the reduction of government in all its forms.
It is the case at the moment that the application of the 2nd Amendment is an endorsement of terrorism, giving battlefield weapons to individuals in spite of the existence of an armed police force, thereby undermining their legitimate monopoly on the use of force. In this context, the NRA shoud be banned as a terrorist organization, and its leadership be in prison.

But if government is to be reduced to basic functions and the armed forces disbanded, as Washington wanted, armed militia will not be the 'last resort' but the only means people have of protecting themselves from invading armies which was the original intention behind the 2nd Amendment. Throw in the growing sense that the Civil War now defines the fault-lines of US politics with the Confederate States using States Rights to ignore the Constitution, backed by their Confederate President, and 2020 may mark the moment when the South Rises Again to support a President denied a second term by rigged elections master-minded by Democrats who have no loyalty to the King of Israel and hate God, America and the Family.
Are these people ever going to give up and stop fighting their lost cause? Or will they fight and take the US down with them as they go?
What happens when the Proud Boys come a-knockin' at yo door?

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None of the recommendations filghy made violate the 2nd amendment as it's been interpreted by the Supreme Court thus far. It's possible political debate just isn't for you. Not everyone enjoys it and that's fine.

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Considering I didn't read his post, I couldn't say whether his recommendations would or wouldn't violate the 2nd amendment as it's been interpreted. I'm personally fine with political debate, I just don't find it's particularly useful within the context of this subject as the majority of people have already taken a hard stance either way and aren't likely to even soften their stance. The only thing that's ever going to change anything is time. Until then, I guess I'll exist in the minority of people who like guns, but feel the majority of people who own them are too irresponsible to be allowed the right.

What are you suggesting Javier? You've made a number of posts in this thread but you are still being extremely vague about your own position.

Time itself is not going to do anything. It's already been 20 years since the Columbine massacre and 7 years since Sandy Hook. Change only occurs because enough people keep pushing for it. Sure, it's very difficult because of the NRA's grip on the Republican Party but just giving up and waiting for a better time is a sure way to ensure nothing will ever change.

On most issues there are probably 80-90 per cent of people whose minds are made up and can't be persuaded. Most political changes occur through changing the minds of a few per cent of the voters.

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Call me cynical but both sides of this argument seemed to have left too little room for pragmatism. You're a bit naive if you think your opinions are going to influence any bystanders who might be on the fence. Whether well informed or not most Americans have already formed their own opinions on the subject, and are likely to disregard your thoughts on the matter at face value simply because you're "European". I'm pro 2nd amendment and I've long since found it completely worthless to debunk the often blatantly untrue "facts", and logically flawed arguments the pro-gun folks always seemed to be armed with. Feel free to engage with that as you see fit.

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While the majority probably have made their minds up, if there are people "on the fence" then by definition they are not entrenched in their viewpoint and are open to being swayed in either direction. The politics section of a niche porn board is never going to be the place to change the world but neither is burying your head in the sand and ignoring the issues. Call me cynical but maybe you want to shut down this discussion because it's making the pro gun argument look foolish, though so far you haven't exactly improved that cause.

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Considering I didn't read his post, I couldn't say whether his recommendations would or wouldn't violate the 2nd amendment as it's been interpreted. I'm personally fine with political debate, I just don't find it's particularly useful within the context of this subject as the majority of people have already taken a hard stance either way and aren't likely to even soften their stance. The only thing that's ever going to change anything is time. Until then, I guess I'll exist in the minority of people who like guns, but feel the majority of people who own them are too irresponsible to be allowed the right.

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"I rest my case".

From what he has said I don't think Javier is a gun rights zealot, though I don't understand his motives in getting involved in the discussion. I must say that anyone who suggests that both sides of this argument are at fault for the lack of progress must be either poorly informed or is being disingenuous. The sorts of measures I mentioned earlier don't go nearly as far as what other countries have done, so their proponents are already making pragmatic compromises.

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From what he has said I don't think Javier is a gun rights zealot, though I don't understand his motives in getting involved in the discussion. I must say that anyone who suggests that both sides of this argument are at fault for the lack of progress must be either poorly informed or is being disingenuous. The sorts of measures I mentioned earlier don't go nearly as far as what other countries have done, so their proponents are already making pragmatic compromises.

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To be fair, neither appears to be a complete gun nut, just misguided and unable to present an argument as to why guns, particularly assault rifles, are so great and necessary for a civilian to own.

On the subject of compromise the NRA and other gun lobbies are the main problem. Shouting down any sensible proposed control measures with cries of "unconstitutional" and "thin end of the wedge". Until that attitude disappears it's unlikely any compromise can ever be achieved.

another dui death, another shooting death> Which one does the media choose to make their headline? MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. Like I said responsibly is the word many gun owners have not shot any one. Nor does every person that takes a drink harms people. IT IS THE PERSON THAT TAKES A LAW AND SCREEWS IT UP!!!!

I liked Laphroaig's previous post because I agreed with most of it but I do think that rabbitfufu is a gun nut. Perhaps Javier isn't since he seems to suggest some limits to who can own guns and what kind. Maybe he wants to own a gun and shoots as a hobby or for self-defense but has not been indoctrinated by the NRA's checklist of vacuous talking points.

On the other hand, rabbitfufu shows all the hallmarks of gun-nuttery, from the disingenuous concern about other hazards without any suggested remedies to the strawman arguments that don't even acknowledge the existence of a middle ground, to the desire to own so many weapons that the guns must have a significance only he understands but cannot articulate. The arguments he makes bespeak a lack of awareness or concern for anything or anyone other than his hobby.

What about recently piolets stopped from pioleting planes while intoxicated, that would have been a mass killing

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I think you are being over-generous is describing his rants as arguments, bronco. He hasn't made anything resembling an argument: we're just inferring it.

You might be wrong about no James Joyces writing pro-gun arguments. Joyce did write a novel (Finnegan's Wake) is his own made-up version of English. I think rabbitfufu might be trying something similar.

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Are you drunk?

A point of interest concerns the 'Red Flag' orders that enable law enforcement to seize the weapons from people -men- they suspect of planning violent attacks. In one case in Washington they did not seize the gun of the person concerned -he had 12. In another case in Florida, they seized 14 weapons. Owning a gun might be a Constitutional right, does that mean owning an arsenal is also allowed? When somebody other than a genuine collector needs 12, 14 or 40 weapons, is there not a legal right to ask why?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9075491.html

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I love it when I argue with someone and they accuse me of inferring their conclusion. It's like, well someone has to attribute meaning and coherence to what you said right?

Sometimes people leave the conclusion to be inferred because they're embarrassed to say what they want to say and sometimes they're too lazy to close the loop. Sometimes also, if they spell it out its weakness is manifest...

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another dui death, another shooting death> Which one does the media choose to make their headline? MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. Like I said responsibly is the word many gun owners have not shot any one. Nor does every person that takes a drink harms people. IT IS THE PERSON THAT TAKES A LAW AND SCREEWS IT UP!!!!

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Who died from a DUI?

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I think it's a great idea to exploit their hypothetical deaths to justify your useless hobby. It's even more effective when you take other people's real tragedies, offer no solution whatsoever and use them to dilute regulatory efforts. Let them know you care.

"Hi maam and sir, I know your son was killed by a drunk driver and I'd like to help out. Wait, you want me to speak out and offer solutions to drunk driving? No, I want to show the libtards a picture of your son before they try to TAKE MY GUNS AWAY!!! THE HUMANITY!"

I don't have an arsenal, 2 guns a Glock and a ar15. How many of alcohol do you have?? How many times have you driven drunk?? I go to the range load my gun shot for 2o minutes unload, go home clean gun lock gun into safe. I don't have that right?? What am I doing wrong?? This makes me a gun nut??

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I don't have an arsenal, 2 guns a Glock and a ar15. How many of alcohol do you have?? How many times have you driven drunk?? I go to the range load my gun shot for 2o minutes unload, go home clean gun lock gun into safe. I don't have that right?? What am I doing wrong?? This makes me a gun nut??

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I don't drive.

Once again, why do you NEED an AR-15 to shoot paper targets? What about the handgun? Good for you locking them in a gun safe but that negates any home defence argument.

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I don't have an arsenal, 2 guns a Glock and a ar15. How many of alcohol do you have?? How many times have you driven drunk?? I go to the range load my gun shot for 2o minutes unload, go home clean gun lock gun into safe. I don't have that right?? What am I doing wrong?? This makes me a gun nut??

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My question would be, why do you own a gun? I fear that Hollywood and Tv have nurtured a gun culture through decades of films and tv programmes in which the solution to every problem is to shoot it dead. That guns should be s embedded in American culture may explain the persistence of these lethal weapoons even more than the 2nd Amendment. Characters in film and tv used to smoke like chimneys but few do now; alcohol consumption in TV programmes is now rare, perhaps it is time for those who shape opinion to stop depicting good guys killing bad guys with guns, not least when in real life the so-called 'good guys' are cops killing men who don't have weapons.

Because it is not just the 2nd Amendment but laws on 'carry and conceal' and most of all 'stand your ground', the latter being a licence to kill as everyone who shoots someone dead can insist they believed the victim was about the attack them. Indeed, one day a mass shooter may claim self-defence on the basis that everyone in the Mall was out to get him, and he shot 10 dead to prevent them from doing so.

the ar 15 is something I ve had for over 20 years not new on the bandwagon

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Yeah...But that doesn't answer the question.

maybe if you asked me correctly why I have these guns instead of thinking with your balls ill explain my situation. MY family live on several hundred acres miles away from town it would at least an hour for local authorities to respond. I need to protect my family from 2 legged predators as well as 4 legged critters attacking my sheep. I'm not a city slicker just a old country man protecting my way of life. Please go slinking into your rat hole and say your sorry thinking that every person that has a gun is a nut .WE have a right to protect our famines, just because you think cops are going to save you ,think again You liberal idiots go to hell. leave Trump and the NRA alone Go feed all the poor bastards that come into the US illegally. Drink up and get drunk and kill people with new BMW'S END OF THIS THREAD!!!

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:werd:Ill let this thread die. I had to vent after seeing two little girls die as well as dad. Just frustration on stupid the world is. Between politicians, ultra billionaires that keep making more than God. Thank for listening to my rant of the week.:confused:

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maybe if you asked me correctly why I have these guns instead of thinking with your balls ill explain my situation. MY family live on several hundred acres miles away from town it would at least an hour for local authorities to respond. I need to protect my family from 2 legged predators as well as 4 legged critters attacking my sheep. I'm not a city slicker just a old country man protecting my way of life. Please go slinking into your rat hole and say your sorry thinking that every person that has a gun is a nut .WE have a right to protect our famines, just because you think cops are going to save you ,think again You liberal idiots go to hell. leave Trump and the NRA alone Go feed all the poor bastards that come into the US illegally. Drink up and get drunk and kill people with new BMW'S END OF THIS THREAD!!!

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Promise? You said that already on page 1.

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maybe if you asked me correctly why I have these guns instead of thinking with your balls ill explain my situation. MY family live on several hundred acres miles away from town it would at least an hour for local authorities to respond. I need to protect my family from 2 legged predators as well as 4 legged critters attacking my sheep. I'm not a city slicker just a old country man protecting my way of life. Please go slinking into your rat hole and say your sorry thinking that every person that has a gun is a nut .WE have a right to protect our famines, just because you think cops are going to save you ,think again You liberal idiots go to hell. leave Trump and the NRA alone Go feed all the poor bastards that come into the US illegally. Drink up and get drunk and kill people with new BMW'S END OF THIS THREAD!!!

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You've had the AR 15 for 20 years and only fired it at paper targets. Proves you never needed it in the first place.

What kind of 4 legged critters attacking your sheep require an assault weapon to fight off? What kind of attack on your ranch are you expecting that requires an AR-15? You expecting an invasion from a small army? A militia?

I don't think every person who owns a gun or even several guns is a nut. I don't think everyone who disagrees on this issue is a nut. I think you're a nut because you repeat arguments that don't make sense and you insist you need a weapon fit for waging war. Way of life? Foreigners coming into our country? People invading your ranch? Sounds like you're naturally hostile to other people.

Also, imagine making the argument that you're a humble rancher that bmw driving elites don't understand and then demanding people leave alone your president, an incompetent who inherited millions of dollars, who pisses in a golden toilet and created a university solely to scam credulous people out of tuition while offering them nothing.

I thought that little bunny foo foo was only hopping through the forest scooping up field mice and boppin’ ‘em on the head. Only a loon would claim they need an AR-15 for that.

BMW drivers might be able to go on drunken rampages but Volvo drivers may not.

https://accessories.volvocars.com/en...CC-499593/2017

"Alcoguard is an integrated, user-friendly and reliable alcohol lock based on advanced fuel cell technology.

The unique Alcoguard is integrated in the car's electronics. The alcohol meter is connected to the car by cable and is heated ready for use in 10 seconds1. To shorten the waiting time, heating starts when the central locking is activated. When the driver blows into the alcohol meter the result is shown the car's driver display.

When the driver exhales, Alcoguard will give a green light if the reading is below 0.1 permille / 0.01 BAC. If the result is above 0.1 permille / 0.01 BAC but below the set permille limit (programmed at installation according to specific market requirements), Alcoguard will display a yellow light. The car can be driven but the driver is recommended to wait for the green light. Alcoguard shows a red light and the car cannot be started if the result is above the programmed permille limit."

Wonder how rabbitfufu would react to similar technology being introduced to allow access to his gun safe?

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maybe if you asked me correctly why I have these guns instead of thinking with your balls ill explain my situation. MY family live on several hundred acres miles away from town it would at least an hour for local authorities to respond. I need to protect my family from 2 legged predators as well as 4 legged critters attacking my sheep. I'm not a city slicker just a old country man protecting my way of life. Please go slinking into your rat hole and say your sorry thinking that every person that has a gun is a nut .WE have a right to protect our famines, just because you think cops are going to save you ,think again You liberal idiots go to hell. leave Trump and the NRA alone Go feed all the poor bastards that come into the US illegally. Drink up and get drunk and kill people with new BMW'S END OF THIS THREAD!!!

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It's a shame you gave these pompous smug supremacists 7/8 pages of food and drink instead of taking my advice and staying off of here as the owner of this site recommends people to do in the first place rabbit ! He gave that advice for a good reason.

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It's a shame you gave these pompous smug supremacists 7/8 pages of food and drink instead of taking my advice and staying off of here as the owner of this site recommends people to do in the first place rabbit ! He gave that advice for a good reason.

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You're one of the biggest clowns I've seen on this side of the forum. You have no viewpoint on any issue and choose your position based on who you feel bitterness towards. No contribution to discourse, no genuine commitment to any cause, just misanthropy. An enemies list in place of policy objectives.

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It's a shame you gave these pompous smug supremacists 7/8 pages of food and drink instead of taking my advice and staying off of here as the owner of this site recommends people to do in the first place rabbit ! He gave that advice for a good reason.

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You're one of the biggest clowns I've seen on this side of the forum. You have no viewpoint on any issue and choose your position based on who you feel bitterness towards. No contribution to discourse, no genuine commitment to any cause, just misanthropy. An enemies list in place of policy objectives.

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Doesn't like discussion and education either given he downvoted the post below...:shrug

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is it not important to address the various issues within this thread through discussion and hopefully education. Even if he doesn't benefit, others may do so from reading the arguments and information presented.

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