Science and Stupidity:When Opinon replaces facts

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Originally Posted by broncofan

They don't call me broncofan mediator extraordinaire for any reason whatsoever. Still, I'm gonna take your best points.

Stavros: you're off-topic. What you wrote has nothing to do with your President's assault on science and your inaction enables him.

Buttslinger: To quote Nietzsche you point one finger at me and I'm gonna flip you off twice! Your country is headed toward disaster brexit and you have at least two dysfunctional political parties. Also a bunch of irrelevant stuff about my Mississippi relatives.

I decided to omit the gayboy remark because I think it is unbecoming of a member of intercontinental porn forum parliament. I find you both out of order and sentence you to ten minutes in the Jill Stein sweaty asshole thread. Now let's get back on topic. Thanks!

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I think you've confused the two members.

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Originally Posted by javier81

I think you've confused the two members.

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I'm speaking as them rather than to them. We've all been posting here for nearly a dozen years so unlikely.

OK, I apologize. I'm just a tourist, Stavros is a featured attraction. He's charming to someone, I guess.
I think there is a 50-50 chance Trump may do what no Democrat could do: destroy the Republican Party. He's up to his eyeballs in that Russian shit, too many people know about it. That sure would make for a nice October Surprise.
Brexit and Boris on the other hand, I don't see a moment of clarity cleaning up that mess.

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Originally Posted by buttslinger

OK, I apologize. I'm just a tourist, Stavros is a featured attraction. He's charming to someone, I guess.
I think there is a 50-50 chance Trump may do what no Democrat could do: destroy the Republican Party. He's up to his eyeballs in that Russian shit, too many people know about it. That sure would make for a nice October Surprise.
Brexit and Boris on the other hand, I don't see a moment of clarity cleaning up that mess.

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And what's this to do with science:smile:? I'm merely asking questions;.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

And what's this to do with science:smile:? I'm merely asking questions;.

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Political Science
Perry Mason.

or is it Ben Matlock?

You have to wonder if these people have brains. Simply amazing.

A bill to ban abortion introduced in the Ohio state legislature requires doctors to “reimplant an ectopic pregnancy” into a woman’s uterus – a procedure that does not exist in medical science – or face charges of “abortion murder”.
This is the second time practising obstetricians and gynecologists have tried to tell the Ohio legislators that the idea is currently medically impossible.
The move comes amid a wave of increasingly severe anti-abortion bills introduced across much of the country as conservative Republican politicians seek to ban abortion and force a legal showdown on abortion with the supreme court.
Ohio’s move on ectopic pregnancies – where an embryo implants on the mother’s fallopian tube rather than her uterus rendering the pregnancy unviable – is one of the most extreme bills to date.
“I don’t believe I’m typing this again but, that’s impossible,” wrote Ohio obstetrician and gynecologist Dr David Hackney on Twitter. “We’ll all be going to jail,” he said.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...opic-pregnancy

I don't know about hymens, but it seems in this case the man has lost his marbles- or maybe that is what his brain is made of?

When the former Republican governor of Kentucky Matt Bevin was asked in a recent radio interview how he could justify having pardoned on his last day in office a child rapist, he replied: “Which one?”
The interview went downhill from there. Bevin said he had allowed Micah Schoettle, 41, who was serving a 23-year sentence for rape, incest, sodomy and other sexual offenses to walk free last week after less than 18 months in prison because his nine-year-old victim had been found to have her hymen intact.
“There was zero evidence,” Bevin said.
...George Nichols, former chief medical examiner for Kentucky, told the Courier Journal: “Rape is not proved by hymen penetration. He not only doesn’t know the law, in my humble opinion, he clearly doesn’t know medicine and anatomy.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...d-child-rapist

There really was a Flat Earth Convention in the UK, and there someone really did say this:

Australia does not exist. All things you call 'proof' are actually well-fabricated lies and documents made by the leading governments of the world.
Your Australian friends? They're all actors and computer-generated personas, part of the plot to trick the world.
If you think you've ever been to Australia, you're terribly wrong.
The place pilots are all in on this and have in all actuality only flown you to islands close nearby - or in some cases, parts of South America, where they have cleared space and hired actors to act our as real Australians.
https://www.indy100.com/article/flat...ritain-8334206

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Originally Posted by Stavros

There really was a Flat Earth Convention in the UK, and there someone really did say this: Australia does not exist...

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Please keep this idiot away from Trump. We don't need our president believing any more lies than he already tweets on a daily basis - well fabricated or not. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Stavros

If you think you've ever been to Australia, you're terribly wrong.
The place pilots are all in on this and have in all actuality only flown you to islands close nearby - or in some cases, parts of South America, where they have cleared space and hired actors to act our as real Australians.
https://www.indy100.com/article/flat...ritain-8334206

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I thought I had gone twice! I've never felt so stupid in my life. The computer generated personas seemed very real, but then again one of them had too many pixels and froze while I was talking to him. I ate kangaroo meat at a restaurant, which wasn't the most environmentally friendly thing I've done, but am relieved it was probably just super dry cow meat in South America. They fooled me!

Imagine how I feel having thought that that I lived in the place all my life. Perhaps my conscious existence has just been a computer program, like in The Matrix.

On a more serious note, the usual suspects have been going into overdrive to rationalise away the inconvenient fact of the unprecedented bushfires here this summer. In order to divert attention from climate change the denialists are pointing the finger at a supposed upsurge in arson and greenies blocking hazard-reduction burning, even though these claims have been debunked by the authorities.
https://www.theguardian.com/australi...lian-bushfires
https://www.theguardian.com/australi...-rfs-boss-says

Donald Trump declared live on television on Wednesday night that he did not believe the World Health Organization’s assessment of the global death rate from coronavirus of 3.4%.
“I think the 3.4% is really a false number,” he told Sean Hannity, one of his favorite conservative Fox News hosts, in a phone interview broadcast live.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-false-number

I think this is the moment Michael Pence intervenes, to say: 'Let us Pray'...maybe nothing now can stop this ignorant fool except prayer. Lindsay Graham can't do it, and he is a disciple. The science is, after all, irrelevant, because this is the USA, 2020.

Larry Brilliant, a leading member of the Smallpox eradication teams, has illustrated a problem with regard to Covid19 in the USA- South Korea has been testing 3,500 people out of 1 miilion, the US five.
The USA, a country of doctors led by deacons, where reason is replaced by faith, and practice by prayer.
Welcome back to Salem, the trials will begin soon (no, not the vaccine! Duh!).

It has occurred to me, watching the briefings from the White House, that the lectern from which the speakers deliver answers to questions, is raised so that it is not too low for a man over six foot tall -the President, for example- but that this means when DrAnthony Fauci stands there, he looks vertically challenged, but most important in terms of is iconography, he looks small. I wonder if this is deliberate, because the President has openly ridiculed short people as if in his mind intelligence is measurd in feet and inches as well as the results of an IQ test. It appears the President is not interested in the science of Covid 19, and is in fact bored by the whole thing and wants it to go away. Dr Fauci thus becomes a tedious pedant who can be ignored -if he is even on the platform next to the President, and as such, the threat that Covid 19 will have a devastating impact on the US grows every day.

I am not an admirer of Boris Johnson, but it has been important to see him concede policy making to experts who know what they are talking about, even as a debate emerges that asks if 'we' can sacrifice so many jobs and a stable economy for an illness that appears to kill so few people relative to other illnesses. Johnson has also adopted a serious tone of voice, and unlike the President, does not make a point, in public, of humiliating people, in the manner the President has done by calling Governer Insee a 'snake' and making utterly shameful and sarcastic remarks about the health of Senator Mitt Romney.

At a time when 'national unity' is required, one man stands out with his demonstrations of ignorance and childish stupidity, his pathetic need to humiliate Americans, his patronising indifference to facts, his disturbing jealousy of anyone who knows more than he does about Covid 19. He is letting the side down, he has become an enemy of the the people.

Science: The death rate is only 0.5-1.0% in a worst case scenario..

Stupidity: Sacrificing these lives to see a dead cat bounce.. :geek:

I'm not sure 0.5-1.0 per cent is the worst case scenario. Death rates have been higher than average in some places (Wuhan, Italy), so it must depend on things like how well the health system can cope.

A scary question is whether Trump could have a complete meltdown if reality continues to disobey his wishes. He seems to have a pathological inability to accept any reality that is inconvenient to him. Will Republicans be prepared to invoke the 25th amendment if it becomes clear that he is leading them and the country to disaster?

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Originally Posted by AlexisDVyne

Science: The death rate is only 0.5-1.0% in a worst case scenario..
Stupidity: Sacrificing these lives to see a dead cat bounce.. :geek:

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Yours stats are wrong and misleading. Even as we learn more about Covid 19 we do know it infects more people more quickly than the 'flu, and that the mortality rate is high depending on age and pre-existing medical problems. Here are some examples that suggest this viral infection needs to be taken seriously, bearing in mind more have now died in Spain than in China-

"...the death rate for COVID-19 appears to vary by location and an individual's age, among other factors. For instance, in Hubei Province, the epicenter of the outbreak, the death rate reached 2.9%; in other provinces of China, that rate was just 0.4%, according to the China CDC Weekly study. In addition, older adults have been hit the hardest. The death rate soars to 14.8% in those 80 and older; among those ages 70 to 79, the COVID-19 death rate in China seems to be about 8%; it’s 3.6% for those ages 60 to 69; 1.3% for 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39. No deaths in children under 9 have been reported.
https://www.livescience.com/new-coro...-with-flu.html

If these figures relate to the US, the worst case scenario is a significant number of deaths among the elderly, so you must make the moral decision- should the over 80s be left to die? Does it matter? Can we assume all those so-called Christians insisting life begins the moment a cell is formed through pregnancy and is 'sacred', will move heaven and earth to protect the lives of 85-year olds with cancer who have contracted Covid 19?

As for stupidty, he may not look like a dead cat boucing, but there is something seriously wrong with Bolsonaro. But you know what they say about men indifferent to other people's suffering....

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Originally Posted by AlexisDVyne

Science: The death rate is only 0.5-1.0% in a worst case scenario..

Stupidity: Sacrificing these lives to see a dead cat bounce.. :geek:

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This is from the overall population.. The majority of people have either mild or no symptoms..

The mortality rate for those that develop symptoms seems to be 3.4%

Exact numbers will remain unknown until this is over.. even then it's likely to be skewed by governments..

So 0.5-1.0% of the USA population equals 1,800,000 to 3,750,000 people sacrificed for Wall Street..

The dead cat bouncing is the DOW as it looks for the bottom.. :geek:

So true, my love. Wall Street is nothing but a vampire.

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Originally Posted by AlexisDVyne

This is from the overall population.. The majority of people have either mild or no symptoms..
The mortality rate for those that develop symptoms seems to be 3.4%
Exact numbers will remain unknown until this is over.. even then it's likely to be skewed by governments..
So 0.5-1.0% of the USA population equals 1,800,000 to 3,750,000 people sacrificed for Wall Street..
The dead cat bouncing is the DOW as it looks for the bottom.. :geek:

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I note that you dropped 'only' from a repeat of your bland quote. And of that 0.5-1.0%, 1,800,00 to 3,750,000 people, real people, how many have or had medical insurance and are now without it? How many have or may lose their jobs? What proportion of them now live from day to day not knowing where the next dollar will come from, depressed, maybe even suicidal?

And why? Because your President is Ignorant, Incompetent, and Indifferent. This review (in the link below) should make you scared because the man and the men around him are still there, making a mess of your country, whose economy was on the skids anyway. Did you really think the $20+ trillion household debt and the trillions of National Debt are just a mirage that like Covid 19 will just go away? No.

Pay day is coming, and guess who is going to pay?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ealth-disaster

Alexis is Canadian, Stavros, and she's not defending Trump.

Thanks for pointing that out. For whatever reason, I did not notice that. My points about the stats remain.

I wrote the above in the early hours when tired, and forgot to apologize to Alexis if she is offended, which was not my intention.
As for the Quarantine New York, Don't Quaratine New York fiasco, if anyone does not now realize there is a dangerous Idiot in the White House, when will they, if ever?

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Originally Posted by Stavros

Larry Brilliant, a leading member of the Smallpox eradication teams, has illustrated a problem with regard to Covid19 in the USA- South Korea has been testing 3,500 people out of 1 miilion, the US five.
The USA, a country of doctors led by deacons, where reason is replaced by faith, and practice by prayer.
Welcome back to Salem, the trials will begin soon (no, not the vaccine! Duh!).

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An update on the testing stats-

Fact check: testing
During the taskforce briefing, Trump said – once again – that the United States “continues to perform more tests than anywhere else in the world, and that’s why we have more cases”.

While the US has overtaken South Korea in total numbers of coronavirus tests administered, it has conducted fewer tests per capita given the US population is over six times larger than South Korea’s.

As of 7 April, the United States, with a population of 329 million, had administered at least 1,951,044 tests, according to the Covid Tracking Project, a group led by Alexis Madrigal, a staff writer for The Atlantic magazine, with more than 100 volunteers that compile coronavirus testing data from states.

This equates to 582 tests per 100,000 people in the US (with huge variations depending on the county, city and state), compared with 709 tests per 100,000 in South Korea and 600 per 100,000 in Italy.

The US rate of testing improved markedly in early April. On March 31 the rate was just 318 per 100,000.



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...t-news-updates
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Originally Posted by Stavros

As of 7 April, the United States, with a population of 329 million, had administered at least 1,951,044 tests, according to the Covid Tracking Project, a group led by Alexis Madrigal, a staff writer for The Atlantic magazine, with more than 100 volunteers that compile coronavirus testing data from states.

[I]This equates to 582 tests per 100,000 people in the US (with huge variations depending on the county, city and state), compared with 709 tests per 100,000 in South Korea and 600 per 100,000 in Italy.

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That link isn't working, but this site shows that the USA is way down the list. https://virusncov.com/

The country with the highest testing rate appears to be Iceland, which has tested more than 8% of its population.

Science meets stupidity head-on. Who will win?

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Originally Posted by Stavros

Science meets stupidity head-on. Who will win?

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Science will win,Stupidity will lose.

No further comment needed:

"In his first set of presidential appointments, Obama brought into his administration five science Nobel prizewinners and 25 members of the National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine. They became known as the “dream team”.

By contrast, Holdren said, “Trump is the exact opposite. Science has played no role in virtually all the top appointments he has made.”
The roll call of officials Trump has entrusted with protecting Americans from Covid-19 tells its own story. With no Nobel laureates in sight, Trump relied initially on Alex Azar, secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), who is a lawyer and former drug company boss; followed by Mike Pence, a career politician and evangelical Christian; and most recently Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, whose expertise lies in real estate.
Trump’s top team have in turn promoted individuals in their own mold. As Reuters has reported, Azar gave the job of coordinating the fight against coronavirus within HHS, to an individual whose job immediately before joining the Trump administration was as a dog breeder running a small business called Dallas Labradoodles."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...mp-coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Stavros

No further comment needed:

"In his first set of presidential appointments, Obama brought into his administration five science Nobel prizewinners and 25 members of the National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine. They became known as the “dream team”.

By contrast, Holdren said, “Trump is the exact opposite. Science has played no role in virtually all the top appointments he has made.”
The roll call of officials Trump has entrusted with protecting Americans from Covid-19 tells its own story. With no Nobel laureates in sight, Trump relied initially on Alex Azar, secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), who is a lawyer and former drug company boss; followed by Mike Pence, a career politician and evangelical Christian; and most recently Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, whose expertise lies in real estate.
Trump’s top team have in turn promoted individuals in their own mold. As Reuters has reported, Azar gave the job of coordinating the fight against coronavirus within HHS, to an individual whose job immediately before joining the Trump administration was as a dog breeder running a small business called Dallas Labradoodles."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...mp-coronavirus

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That
is a huge contrast between the Obama Administration and the Trump Administration,Obama brought in health experts who had experience and let them talk and didn't hog the spotlight,Trump on the other hand brought in people who were just as unqualified as he is ,shows that the Trump Administration dropped the ball from the beginning in their handling of the CO-VID 19 Pandemic.

Should we be surprised, anxious, delighted, or indifferent to the support the 'First Family' has given to Stella Immanuel? However daft and dangerous the ideas of Stella Immanuel (born in Cameroon, educated in Nigeria) might be, she is hardly unique, as many of her ideas about 'demons' are shared by the President's 'Pastor' Paula White.

Thus, Immanuel-

"A Houston physician retweeted by President Donald Trump after appearing in a video where she praised hydroxychloroquine as a miracle coronavirus cure blames gynecological problems on sex with evil spirits and believes the US government is run by "reptilians."
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"Nobody needs to get sick. This virus has a cure -- it is called hydroxychloroquine," Immanuel exclaimed Monday as she stood on the steps of the Supreme Court in Washington at a so-called "White Coat Summit" of likeminded physicians.
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Further research on Immanuel's web page, now accessible only via an archived website viewer, as well as her YouTube account, reveal a long list of bizarre and unscientific beliefs.
These include that "tormenting spirits" routinely have "astral sex" with women, which in turn causes "gynecological problems, marital distress, miscarriages" and more.
In a 2015 video, Immanuel, who leads a religious group called Fire Power Ministries, said: "There are people ruling this nation that are not even human," describing them as "reptilian spirits" who are "half human, half ET."
https://www.france24.com/en/20200728...-s-odd-beliefs

This article looks at some of Pastor White's beliefs, and her promotion of cures-

"One of White’s favorite targets is Leviathan. In her theology, Leviathan is not a mundane crocodile nor a type of dragon from Middle Eastern mythology. Rather, it’s a demon prince in the form of a many-headed dragon that is responsible for people experiencing everyday fatigue. Fortunately, she offers countermeasures—available to anyone who makes a $74 donation. Other packages are available for donations of $40 and $65, presumably offering protection against slightly fewer classes of demons."
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/10...-white-demons/

And here is an interesting take on the role demons and spirts play in interpretations of illness and religion -the sort of thing that should be kept out of General Hospitals, and White Houses...
https://theconversation.com/stella-i...history-143587

And here she is, if you are robust enough to last almost an hour of this hysterical rubbish-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ture=emb_title

The acting chief scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has been sacked, apparently for insisting on scientific integrity. Not coincidentally, the same man also contradicted Trump's erroneous claims about the path Of Hurricane Dorian last year - termed "Sharpiegate" because the official map was modified amateurishly to accord with Trump's claims.https://www.vox.com/2020/10/31/21540...ce-zeta-dorian

Given the lack of any policy agenda for the next 4 years it seems that Trump's main priority if he remains President will be to purge anyone in government who has failed to defer to him by insisting on any kind of standard other than Trump's wishes.

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Originally Posted by filghy2

The acting chief scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has been sacked, apparently for insisting on scientific integrity. Not coincidentally, the same man also contradicted Trump's erroneous claims about the path Of Hurricane Dorian last year - termed "Sharpiegate" because the official map was modified amateurishly to accord with Trump's claims.https://www.vox.com/2020/10/31/21540...ce-zeta-dorian

Given the lack of any policy agenda for the next 4 years it seems that Trump's main priority if he remains President will be to purge anyone in government who has failed to defer to him by insisting on any kind of standard other than Trump's wishes.

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Another example of Donald-D.A.M.N-Trump silencing someone who doesn't agree with him or his warped point o f view. and also shows that he doesn't believe in climate change,science or facts.

If you want to ask profound questions about the Moon's orbit around the Earth, and the Earth's orbit around the Sun with the proposal that these be changed to deal effectively with Climate Change, ask the US Forest Service....

There are times when one gasps at the things people say, and it will never end-

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-change-video

Clowns like Gohmert don’t trust the federal government to do anything, neither about the environment nor managing us through the pandemic. But changing the orbits of the Earth and the Moon (as if that were easier and safer than conserving our resources and putting a check on our use of fossil fuels), they’re fine with that! Maybe the plan is to hand the job off to the private sector…Bezos or Musk.

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Originally Posted by trish

Clowns like Gohmert don’t trust the federal government to do anything, neither about the environment nor managing us through the pandemic.

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I wonder if it's really a lack of trust in the government's ability or that they don't want anyone to have to make a sacrifice for anyone else (I realize that's why you're pointing out the inconsistency in their positions).

I think these are just people whose utopia is one where people who start with advantages can accumulate lots of wealth and never have to think about problems that require collective action. It's easier to say a disease is just like the flu if you know that if it isn't you might have to close businesses for months and rely on government subsidies to keep people above water. Easier to say that environmentalists are hysterics for wanting us to pay a tax proportional to our emissions of certain greenhouse gases than to slightly inconvenience a large corporation by having them pay that tax.

They say government is weak or impotent and then they fill positions in our regulatory agencies with weak and unqualified people who don't believe in the missions of those agencies. As you point out the only government private sector cooperation they like is a hand off to someone super wealthy for what sounds like an implausible vanity project dreamed up by an idiot with too much money like Musk. They know federal funding can accomplish its objectives whenever they want something, like a war that makes lots of loud noises and leaves hundreds of thousands dead.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

I wonder if it's really a lack of trust in the government's ability or that they don't want anyone to have to make a sacrifice for anyone else (I realize that's why you're pointing out the inconsistency in their positions).

I think these are just people whose utopia is one where people who start with advantages can accumulate lots of wealth and never have to think about problems that require collective action. It's easier to say a disease is just like the flu if you know that if it isn't you might have to close businesses for months and rely on government subsidies to keep people above water. Easier to say that environmentalists are hysterics for wanting us to pay a tax proportional to our emissions of certain greenhouse gases than to slightly inconvenience a large corporation by having them pay that tax.

They say government is weak or impotent and then they fill positions in our regulatory agencies with weak and unqualified people who don't believe in the missions of those agencies. As you point out the only government private sector cooperation they like is a hand off to someone super wealthy for what sounds like an implausible vanity project dreamed up by an idiot with too much money like Musk. They know federal funding can accomplish its objectives whenever they want something, like a war that makes lots of loud noises and leaves hundreds of thousands dead.

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Either these people genuinely believe what they said -but to me, with an absence of sujpporting evidence, or they take a contrary view just for the sake of it -MT Greene -""I don't believe in evolution," she told Bannon."I believe in God,"

There seems to me to be a distinct lack of debate on policy, as McConnell has said he will oppose everything presented to Congress by Presidet Biden, and will not sujpport any new nominee to the Supreme Court if one becomes available But suppose there is a policy offered as a new law that benefits all Amercans? I find this childish on McConnell's part, and a confirmation that sectarian politics is not going away, so when will Biden realise trying to resurrect the bi-partisan politics of his youth is a waste of time?

And remember that on many issues, take lead in gasoline, the science was right but the politics condemned -'it will destoy the auto indusry' was a familiar complaint in the 1960s, but dd no such thing.

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Originally Posted by trish

Clowns like Gohmert don’t trust the federal government to do anything, neither about the environment nor managing us through the pandemic. But changing the orbits of the Earth and the Moon (as if that were easier and safer than conserving our resources and putting a check on our use of fossil fuels), they’re fine with that! Maybe the plan is to hand the job off to the private sector…Bezos or Musk.

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It is the ignorance which I find startling, because Congress has at its disposal one of the finest libraries in the world, All Gohmert had to do to test his opinion, was ask someone on his staff to do some research.

Here in the UK, a new news channel -GBNews- started on Sunday, its intention is to 'telll the truth' free of 'wokeness', and the 'left-wing bias' of other channels, an allegation I don't see confirmed, but its seems anything the Libertarians don't iike is by definition left-wing, and to be left-wing is wrong, without any reason given.

One of its 'star' contributors will be Neil Oliver, a Scot know to most UK viewers for segments of a tv programme, 'Coast' and the TV histories of the Vikings, and of Scotland (though he is not, in the formal sense, an historian). He is a fine presener, so how does one explain this comment he made to a Scotish newspaper before GB News began-

"Oliver...told the Herald last weekend that lockdown was the “biggest single mistake in world history” .

What on earth does this mean, and how can anyone justify such a remark -not just British, but World history? The mind boggles, but as with Gohmert's igorance, could Oliver not at least give us some mistakes in world history to measure the lockdown by? For example, the invasions of Russia by Napoleon and Hitler were two epic mistakes.

More on the IVF crisis in Alabama in this thoughtful article from The Guardian today. The second link has the media reporting that Tommy Tuberville supports the decision but doesn't have a clue what it means, and may not even know what the letters IVF stand for.

On the one hand no surprise that the Republican Party is supporting policies that the majority of American people do not want; on the other hand based on medical ignorance and a repudiation of science in favour of a mistaken belief that their religious views, and only their religious views should form the basis of health policy. As might be said 'God help us all!'.

Doctors shocked and angry as Alabama ruling throws IVF care into turmoil | IVF | The Guardian

Republicans struggle to respond to Alabama embryo ruling (yahoo.com)

From this:

"In a concurring opinion in last week’s Alabama supreme court decision, Alabama’s chief justice, Tom Parker, invoked the prophet Jeremiah, Genesis and the writings of 16th- and 17th-century theologians.“Human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God,” he wrote. “Even before birth, all human beings have the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory.”
The Republican party wants to turn America into a theocracy | Robert Reich | The Guardian

To this:
"Now, Republicans are scrambling to put out the fire without admitting they’re they’re the ones who lit the match.
In the memo, which was sent Friday, the Senate GOP urged its 2024 candidates to go all in on their support for IVF.
“Clearly state your support for IVF and fertility-related services as blessings for those seeking to have children,” and “publicly oppose any efforts to restrict access to IVF and other fertility treatments, framing such opposition as a defense of family values and individual freedom,” National Republican Senatorial Committee executive director Jason Thielman said in the memo"
Republicans Suddenly Realize Alabama's IVF Ruling Is Bad For Them | HuffPost UK Politics (huffingtonpost.co.uk)

Beware the Wrath of God...or...

Project 2025 continues to form the foundations of a Trump administration's domestic policy, in this case

""rejecting the notion that abortion is health care and by restoring its mission statement under the Strategic Plan and elsewhere to include furthering the health and well-being of all Americans 'from conception to natural death.'""
Far-right wants 'Department of Life' in second Trump term to further curtail women’s rights (msn.com)

So, if a foetus fails to grow and threatens the life of the mother, or has severe complications which require a 'medical Abortion', this is not a matter of the health care of either the foetus or the mother, or both? Then it must be a political matter? Or maybe a Religious matter?

And can one assume the Department of Life will campaign inside the Govt for a nationwide ban on the Death Penalty and Executions? Nah, didn't think so.