Trump signs law targeting sex trafficking websites

Tedious, but the words mattered at the time as Clinton defined 'sexual relations' as full on sexual intercourse which apparently never happened with Lewinsky (the answer is blowing in the wind). And they mattered because of the precise use of words in court cases as well as the finer distinctions of perjury as a legal term.

Whatever, Clinton has since admitted lying and cannot shake off the stain of that event and the evidence that he was not the best husband, which used to matter to all those evangelical, fundamental or even lapsed Christians for whom God, Family and Country are the Holy Trinity of American values but is now well and truly buried by the semi-literate moron who claims to be the 45th President of the USA. Spare a thought -or don't- for Paula Jones whose account of her 'Clinton moment' is full of holes- there was an out-of-court settlement worth $850,000 -but she only pocketed $250,000 as the rest went on legal fees.

There is also another difference -President Clinton has a political record on which to rest his reputation as President, including transforming the Reagan deficit into a surplus, and three significant peace treaties, whereas his successor so far has added another trillion $$ to the debt, and spent millions of $$ blowing holes in the ground in Syria while transferring even more from tax-payers pockets into his own every time he plays golf.

Morals? What morals?

https://www.vox.com/2016/10/9/132216...nt-accusations
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...y_defense.html

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I could well ask you the same question. Why do you bitch continually about Theresa May and the Tories, but refuse to say a bad word about Trump, Putin or even neo-nazis in your own country? For the record, I'm no fan of Theresa May or her party, but I don't spend much time complaining about them because:
(i) you already have that market well and truly cornered;
(ii) I'm not British and the UK government's actions have little impact outside of the UK, unlike the US government;
(iii) Theresa May is a conventional conservative who does not present the same threat to democracy and the rule of law as a populist demagogue like Trump.

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& I'm British so anything else doesn't overly concern me & Theresa May is an enormous threat to this country taking us into a possible toxic situation! If you're not British, keep out of it, I don't know where you're getting your misguided information from?! Your arrogance and supremacy is annoying too.

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& I'm British so anything else doesn't overly concern me & Theresa May is an enormous threat to this country taking us into a possible toxic situation! If you're not British, keep out of it, I don't know where you're getting your misguided information from?! Your arrogance and supremacy is annoying too.

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Don't you Brexiteers want to re-forge our trading relations with the Commonwealth to compensate for our losses from the EU? Australia may become important. Suggest you say something nice about cricket balls and butter, to ease ourselves back into position down under.

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Nice diversionary tactic, but actually it's not about that.

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That's what they're all about and they know it. I guess they need to justify that they're doing the right thing on elections day even if it costs them their freedom. This thread is no longer about the law that trump signed. It's ALL about the Clintons, I guess. :wiggle:

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& I'm British so anything else doesn't overly concern me & Theresa May is an enormous threat to this country taking us into a possible toxic situation! If you're not British, keep out of it, I don't know where you're getting your misguided information from?! Your arrogance and supremacy is annoying too.

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Then why are you posting in a thread that's about a US issue? I'm lucky to live in a country where the biggest national crisis is about 3 guys conspiring to rough up a cricket ball, so other countries' issues are just more interesting. Besides, I enjoy our 'debates' so much - your responses are such brilliant satire.

Thanks, that does explain your fucking arrogance! I should of guessed! I only watch cricket when "The Ashes" takes place because of my love for your fucking lot!

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Nice diversionary tactic, but actually it's not about that.

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Obviously, you just don't get that it IS about the women.
And obviously, you can't agree that Stormy Daniels, Summer Zervos, Monica Lewinsky, Juanita Broaddrick, and Paula Jones were all fucked over in the same way..

Sad....

Classic Fanti - ignore the other person's response and just keep repeating the same inane point ad nauseum.

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Obviously, you just don't get that it IS about the women.
And obviously, you can't agree that Stormy Daniels, Summer Zervos, Monica Lewinsky, Juanita Broaddrick, and Paula Jones were all fucked over in the same way..

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But surely it is about the men? There are legal reasons why Backpage and Craigslist have been taken offline, and they may or may not be challenged in a court of law. But in present circumstances it is the morals and behaviour of men that has become the major issue, and particularly men in positions of power with the money that goes with it.

And with that comes the question, what happens to the institution of government if there is a moral vacuum at the top, or the Chief Executive is morally compromised? And even more so if neither he nor his supporters care about that, because if so, why punish ordinary citizens because their behaviour is considered immoral by people demonstrated to have none of their own?

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Originally Posted by MrFanti

Obviously, you just don't get that it IS about the women.
And obviously, you can't agree that Stormy Daniels, Summer Zervos, Monica Lewinsky, Juanita Broaddrick, and Paula Jones were all fucked over in the same way..

Sad....

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Well said

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But surely it is about the men?

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So are you ready to go out on a limb then?
Can you agree that Stormy Daniels, Summer Zervos, Monica Lewinsky, Juanita Broaddrick, and Paula Jones were all fucked over by CLINTON and TRUMP?

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Classic Fanti - ignore the other person's response and just keep repeating the same inane point ad nauseum.

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So are you ready to go out on a limb then?
Can you agree that Stormy Daniels, Summer Zervos, Monica Lewinsky, Juanita Broaddrick, and Paula Jones were all fucked over by CLINTON and TRUMP?

Really sad if you can't agree....

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But surely it is about the men? There are legal reasons why Backpage and Craigslist have been taken offline, and they may or may not be challenged in a court of law. But in present circumstances it is the morals and behaviour of men that has become the major issue, and particularly men in positions of power with the money that goes with it.

And with that comes the question, what happens to the institution of government if there is a moral vacuum at the top, or the Chief Executive is morally compromised? And even more so if neither he nor his supporters care about that, because if so, why punish ordinary citizens because their behaviour is considered immoral by people demonstrated to have none of their own?

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You are taking about two different things
Morals, and Responsibility

Some of the womnn bill clinton was claimed to have abused , claimed rape and was never heard.
Some of the women bill clinton was claimed to have sexual relations with

The claimed abused, NEVER had their stories told, until recently

The difference, the left, democrats, msnbc, cnn waters do not want people to hear is

All the woman Donald Trump had sexual relations with, was CONSENSUAL, not claiming rape.

Yes, maybe now, we find out he may have paid them off to be quite, but that before he was president.

Some of Bill Clintons women were VICTIMS, Some were not, All of Trumps women, were not, thats the differences.

Yes, the sites are gone...

They were taken down because of the new sex trafficking law, if you host a site, and allow sex trafficking ads, make money off of ads, you get shut down, very simple......

However

If you host dating ads, and monitor the ads, delete the escorts, you can stay up.
Craigslist knew it would be impossible, they took the site down, was not shut down. They knew it would be impossible to filter, monitor that many ads they get daily. Did not want to take the risk of the Govn coming after them.

Some sites, backpage was allowing sex trafficking, ( allowing ), so the Govn shut them down.

Responsibility in the eyes of the Govn is to take down the sex trafficking ads......
Morals, if you feel escorts are ok, but the problem also is people being sold for sex, adults and minors.....

The sites are so big, so much data, so many ads, how can a host monitor all the ads?
Filters, can help, but approving each ad will take forever.

Recently Facebooks mark zuckerburg got grilled by congress, he could not answer how to prevent bad ads from getting on the platform, he states he hired 20,000 people to manage the posts.

He says AI will help eventually, who knows.....

I just want a site similar to CL without all the Govn BS, a site i can post as an adult, a site i can see girls posts as adults, i can contact, we communicate, we can meet, very simple.

I personally, have never paid for a escort, but they have been around since the beginning of time....

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Bottom line is that they can't stand to put Clinton & Trump in the same context with sexual harassment and assault.
Because.....they still don't understand that it's about the WOMEN....

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Originally Posted by MrFanti

Obviously, you just don't get that it IS about the women.
And obviously, you can't agree that Stormy Daniels, Summer Zervos, Monica Lewinsky, Juanita Broaddrick, and Paula Jones were all fucked over in the same way..

Sad....

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But were they fucked over in the same way?

Stormy Daniels- Is a grown woman who had a consensual affair with a married man. While I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt and believe her story about someone threatening her about exposing the affair, I wouldn't consider her a victim.

Monica Lewinsky- Was of a legal age when she had a consensual affair with a married man. While one can argue that Clinton used his position of power to take advantage of her and the national ridicule she received was harsh, once again I can't consider her a victim.

I don't know much about the other women, so I can't comment on them.

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and SESTA passed Senate 97-2. This was not Trump’s agenda

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Who were the 2? I'm guessing the 1 non-vote was McCain, because of his medical condition

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All the woman Donald Trump had sexual relations with, was CONSENSUAL, not claiming rape.

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Huh? You really are living in a delusional bubble. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-trump/547724/

And you can't even write a sentence in correct English.

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Huh? You really are living in a delusional bubble.

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And you are letting your political beliefs get in the way of women's rights.
Sad that you can't see that Trump AND Clinton f'd over those women.....

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Some of the womnn bill clinton was claimed to have abused , claimed rape and was never heard.
Some of the women bill clinton was claimed to have sexual relations with

The claimed abused, NEVER had their stories told, until recently

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More rubbish. These allegations were covered extensively by the mainstream media while Clinton was still president. A simple google search would reveal that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Willey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juanita_Broaddrick
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Jones

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And you are letting your political beliefs get in the way of women's rights.
Sad that you can't see that Trump AND Clinton f'd over those women.....

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If you had bothered to read my earlier post you would see that I acknowledged that Bill Clinton had behaved badly and that any credible allegations of illegal behaviour should be dealt with by the legal system in either case. If you'd bothered to read the post I was responding to you would see that he's denying any wrongdoing by Trump, so why aren't you taking issue with him?

But thanks for proving my prediction right so quickly. I guess you'll ignore what I just said and continue to post the same thing for several more pages.

Here's the relevant quote from TSLoverIB's post, Fanti. I look forward to seeing you respond to him in the same terms.

"Some of Bill Clintons women were VICTIMS, Some were not, All of Trumps women, were not, thats the differences."

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If you had bothered to read my earlier post you would see that I acknowledged that Bill Clinton had behaved badly and that any credible allegations of illegal behaviour should be dealt with by the legal system in either case. If you'd bothered to read the post I was responding to you would see that he's denying any wrongdoing by Trump, so why aren't you taking issue with him?

But thanks for proving my prediction right so quickly. I guess you'll ignore what I just said and continue to post the same thing for several more pages.

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In OTHER news, Hannity just got outed as Michael Cohen's third client in court during the Storm Daniels' deposition...
...and he's been known to frequent a certain legal establishment in Nevada...

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If you had bothered to read my earlier post you would see that I acknowledged that Bill Clinton

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My mistake...
But you were avoiding it for so long like a few other people in this thread....

Glad to see that you finally understand that it's about the women and not politics! (Only took a couple of pages though)