Trump to ban trans people from military

Your right, its taking time to make 'America Great Again' after the way Obama deeply fucked it up for 8 years of his bullshit. And in all my years hanging out with TS girls I never met one who wanted to be in the military, it's not CUNT! I guess they found an easier way to make money. Besides, the reason Trump put this bullshit out there (yes I said bullshit because think anyone should have the right to serve if they want but its not my call) is because he doesn't want guys using the military to pay for their transition like the tax payers do for guys in jail. And we got bigger problems in this country then this. No I am not a Trump fanatic so relax

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Originally Posted by Veal Cutlet

Your right

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Glad this is how you began the post; it let me know how dumb it was going to be. Hint: it's "you're" not "your," and if you're old enough to post here, you should know that. You never meeting a trans woman who wanted to be in the military has no relevance to anything so you shouldn't have brought it up. Reality is there are many who do. By the way, trans men exist too. Having to fund care for trans people is minuscule as the link shows in my previous post. And regardless of whether we have bigger problems in this country, we're capable of addressing multiple problems at once. Furthermore, this is a human rights and equality issue. Little more is important than that. You likely try to hand wave this issue away with the excuse of having "bigger problems" just because it's a minority group of which you aren't a part. Grats on outing yourself as unsympathetic to the groups too small to defend themselves and with which you can't relate. That lets us know you're a scumbag. Laughable you trash Obama here; he increased freedoms in this country, (repeal of DADT, trans rights to serve in the military, travel to Cuba, etc.) Meanwhile, between travel bans preventing otherwise legal and documented immigrants from entering and the persecution of trans people, Trump is trying his damndest to undo those freedoms. You may not be a Trump fanatic, but you try to damage control his damaging policies all the same.

Taxpayers spend $3.6 million on every trip Donald takes to Mar-a-Lago. During his first thirteen weeks in office Donald spent seven weeks there. That's $25.2 million in thirteen weeks. It's pretty much what the military spends on Viagra-like drug prescriptions every year.

Estimates of transgender military personal (active duty and reserve) range between 4000 to 10 000 persons. The highest estimate for the number seeking surgery and hormone treatments is 140. Total cost estimates range from $2.4 million to 8.4 million. This is 10 times what the military spends on erectile dysfunction prescriptions like Viagra. This is pocket change compared to a defense budget of $600 BILLION.

Trump tweets that he wants to ban transgender persons from military service in order to save money and trim the defense budget. The ban obviously would come nowhere close to serving this end. Clearly the end the tweet is meant to serve is to focus attention back on the toddler in chief and pander to his base by reinforcing their prejudices.

Trump tweeted that he consulted his generals. Another lie. The generals were taken completely by surprise.

Trump is all about bans and walls of every kind. Whether he himself is prejudiced and paranoid or just playing to a paranoid and prejudicial base amounts to the same thing. He clearly cares only for himself. He's utterly ignorant. His interests are limited to his money, his notoriety and his power - you and I don't figure in one iota. But he is our president: so whether you’re a supporter or not, if your not a member of his immediate family you’re fucked.

America great again?! The American Society of Engineers just gave our infrastructure (roads, bridges, tunnels, airports, sewage systems, etc) a grade of D+. With this egocentric child in charge, America is fucked!

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Originally Posted by Veal Cutlet

Your right, its taking time to make 'America Great Again' after the way Obama deeply fucked it up for 8 years of his bullshit. And in all my years hanging out with TS girls I never met one who wanted to be in the military, it's not CUNT! I guess they found an easier way to make money. Besides, the reason Trump put this bullshit out there (yes I said bullshit because think anyone should have the right to serve if they want but its not my call) is because he doesn't want guys using the military to pay for their transition like the tax payers do for guys in jail. And we got bigger problems in this country then this. No I am not a Trump fanatic so relax

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Most people in this country don't want to be in the military, period(or they want to but never go for it for a tin of reasons) It's not just a trans thing. Also, just because you don't know any trans girls who want to be in the military doesn't mean anything since they already exist in there.

And all this from a draft-dodger who spent his election campaign insulting a war hero, who has blocked war veterans from his twitter feed, who has broken the law on rights at work by dismissing individuals with no advance warning or justification derived from the various codes that govern military service, and who pats himself on the back while the military ignore him anyway. Given that this President has, in policy terms sent no new bills to Congress for their consideration, has failed in his attempt to 'repeal and replace Obamacare', and spends most of his time playing golf or watching tv, Americans might want to ask the question: does the Presidency serve a political purpose? Maybe it is time to reduce it to a ceremonial role, and leave politics to adults instead.

trump is pompous ass.

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Originally Posted by Veal Cutlet

Your right, its taking time to make 'America Great Again' after the way Obama deeply fucked it up for 8 years of his bullshit. And in all my years hanging out with TS girls I never met one who wanted to be in the military, it's not CUNT! I guess they found an easier way to make money. Besides, the reason Trump put this bullshit out there (yes I said bullshit because think anyone should have the right to serve if they want but its not my call) is because he doesn't want guys using the military to pay for their transition like the tax payers do for guys in jail. And we got bigger problems in this country then this. No I am not a Trump fanatic so relax

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This is BS. It's so sad that many Americans can be easily manipulated on topics they have no clue.

You know how much I spend on my medical services each year from my own pocket ? 2k. That's it

He's doing this to cause distraction and divert attention from himself/ his issues/or being the constant topic on the news, so he's more than willing dirty up any minority or person's reputation and like someone said he's all about bans and walls. This "expenses he talks about" is just an excuse for one of his dick bans.

Trump supporters, support every asshole move at every point until it affects them. It's so sad that we have Americans like you who are sheep and talk on topics they're not specialized in. I'm done, I yield. Have a nice day!

Sorry but your opinion has no credibility with me, in my opinion you're just another snowflake crying cause your candidate lost. You have your opinion and I have mine, that's just the way life is. In my eyes you are totally delusional and in your eyes I am so I guess it's a moot point to argue isn't it? You have a nice day as well!

We really should not argue politics or religion, I am an idiot for being sucked into this, I am not here on HA to argue politics, its all about the girls and our TS lifestyle here. So I am done and moving on!

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Originally Posted by Veal Cutlet

You have your opinion and I have mine, that's just the way life is.

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This argument is always a sure sign that a person is clueless as to how to respond to other's arguments - as if an opinion has nothing to do with facts or logic but is just a preference (like whether you like olives or not).

When in the wrong, throw out cliché insults like snowflake.

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Originally Posted by Veal Cutlet

Sorry but your opinion has no credibility with me, in my opinion you're just another snowflake crying cause your candidate lost. You have your opinion and I have mine, that's just the way life is. In my eyes you are totally delusional and in your eyes I am so I guess it's a moot point to argue isn't it? You have a nice day as well!

We really should not argue politics or religion, I am an idiot for being sucked into this, I am not here on HA to argue politics, its all about the girls and our TS lifestyle here. So I am done and moving on!

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Your opinion has no credibility with anyone. You merely regurgitate reactions dictated by your ideology. There is no conscious thought in play. Tell your ideological cohorts about your appreciation of the TS lifestyle (which can include military service) and see how well you're received.

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Originally Posted by Veal Cutlet

...its all about the girls and our TS lifestyle here...

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That's true. Just acknowledge girls such as Natalie Chen, Isabella Sorrenti, Becca Benz, River Stark, and Brittany St. Jordan actually SERVED in the military before people started pulling their meat to them. They literally have more balls than five-time deferred Führer Cheeto.

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Originally Posted by Veal Cutlet

Sorry but your opinion has no credibility with me, in my opinion you're just another snowflake crying cause your candidate lost.

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That might make sense if my responses were just political insults and whining about Clinton not winning, but in reality, I wasn't a fan of Clinton either, and I've used multiple sources to justify my claims and counterpoints that refute your argument. You're just like the guy earlier who sees this in terms of left and right instead of right and wrong. I'm not thinking of Democrats vs. Republicans or Clinton winning or losing, I'm thinking of the rights and freedoms of fellow Americans and if you didn't see politics in the same way you see a football game, you wouldn't have such a limited outlook on issues.
You just posted a reply with absolutely no attempt to logically refute anything we've said. You just doubled down saying, "Well that's my opinion," as if your opinion, bereft of any logical reason or valid sources, is as valid as ours. It isn't and if you took the time to analyze why you just had to cut and run without saying anything substantive in defense of your position, you'd realize you did so because deep down, you know you don't have a leg to stand on, you don't have the integrity to admit that you're wrong and care more about not feeling defeated than bettering your understanding and improving your views.

You want to indulge the "TS lifestyle" while trying to hand wave and sweep under the rug politics that are destructive to transgender people. You're literal scum. You don't see transgender people as human beings with whom you should empathize and defend when attacked, you just see them as wank fodder to nut off to. Anyone here excusing blatant attacks on the trans community that marginalize them and take away their freedom and equal standing like this should be banned. You obviously don't support trans people, so you have no business on a forum for trans people and those that actually support them.

Joining the military isn't a right lol

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Originally Posted by lordworm

Joining the military isn't a right lol

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Nobody is arguing that everyone should have a right to join the military if they don't qualify on the selection criteria that apply to every candidate. The issue is whether it is right to arbitrarily exclude a particular class of people even if they do meet these criteria.

Why do you people find basic logic so difficult? lol

Also, Yasmin Lee was in the Navy.

If anything, transgender people are MORE courageous considering the steps they've taken in their lives and dealing with the pain, the ridicule and the abuse each day of their lives. Yet they still carry forward each day - and get stronger as a result. THAT is courageous. I'm a man and live as a man every day of my life. THAT'S easy. Trump just shot the U.S. in the foot by banning some of the most courageous people in the U.S. from strengthening your military. Well done, once again, President Dickhead.

Really LOVED your post, but when I got to this sentence I felt a little funny.

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Originally Posted by Samui

Anyone here excusing blatant attacks on the trans community that marginalize them and take away their freedom and equal standing like this should be banned.

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Even so, EXCELLENT post!

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Originally Posted by lordworm

Joining the military isn't a right lol

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Fairness and Equal Treatment are the foundation principles of our constitution. Banning an entire class of citizens from serving in our citizen armed services on an arbitrary and political basis damages us all (liberty and justice for all*)

Would it be okay to ban Muslim citizens from serving?

*Exceptions apply to certain groups.

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoPervySage

Also, Yasmin Lee was in the Navy.

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I could name probably 25 trans models off the top of my head who've been in military.

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Originally Posted by whamm

Really LOVED your post, but when I got to this sentence I felt a little funny.



Even so, EXCELLENT post!

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My gut instinct is to ban some of the people in this post. I don't want them here, I think they're clearly damaged and prejudiced individuals with a degree of self-loathing and as the forum owner, I don't want them near me. Then my more logic head comes in - I don't think we'll change anybodies attitudes, they're far past that, but by banning them I'm not making them get any form of justification or feel like they're martyred. They can engage as long as they stay within the rules.

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Originally Posted by Ben in LA

That's true. Just acknowledge girls such as Natalie Chen, Isabella Sorrenti, Becca Benz, River Stark, and Brittany St. Jordan actually SERVED in the military before people started pulling their meat to them. They literally have more balls than five-time deferred Führer Cheeto.

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Bailey Love & Taryn Elizabeth as well...but I don't think any of them transitioned until after they got out of the military.

I would think that joining the military in order to get cheap transitioning surgeries, medical and psychological care is a strange concept and a really really hard way to get it done.

A conversation can make the readers re-evaluate as well as the writers. It's nice to have a foil, unless they heckle, advocate or practice behaviors that really cross the line, I say keep 'em around.

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Originally Posted by Samui

That might make sense if my responses were just political insults and whining about Clinton not winning, but in reality, I wasn't a fan of Clinton either, and I've used multiple sources to justify my claims and counterpoints that refute your argument. You're just like the guy earlier who sees this in terms of left and right instead of right and wrong. I'm not thinking of Democrats vs. Republicans or Clinton winning or losing, I'm thinking of the rights and freedoms of fellow Americans and if you didn't see politics in the same way you see a football game, you wouldn't have such a limited outlook on issues.
You just posted a reply with absolutely no attempt to logically refute anything we've said. You just doubled down saying, "Well that's my opinion," as if your opinion, bereft of any logical reason or valid sources, is as valid as ours. It isn't and if you took the time to analyze why you just had to cut and run without saying anything substantive in defense of your position, you'd realize you did so because deep down, you know you don't have a leg to stand on, you don't have the integrity to admit that you're wrong and care more about not feeling defeated than bettering your understanding and improving your views.

You want to indulge the "TS lifestyle" while trying to hand wave and sweep under the rug politics that are destructive to transgender people. You're literal scum. You don't see transgender people as human beings with whom you should empathize and defend when attacked, you just see them as wank fodder to nut off to. Anyone here excusing blatant attacks on the trans community that marginalize them and take away their freedom and equal standing like this should be banned. You obviously don't support trans people, so you have no business on a forum for trans people and those that actually support them.

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Nice post , Samui. Jeez , haven't seen you around in a long time , nice to see you're still kick'in.

He's got as much chance of implementing this bullshit as he does bringing back Jim Crow laws. I guarantee you somebody will shoot it down, just like they did his ridiculous travel bans.

Signing this may help: https://act.credoaction.com/sign/trans_troops

:pissed:Can't get that link to load Fitzcarraldo.

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:pissed:Can't get that link to load Fitzcarraldo.

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Strange--it still works for me. Maybe this longer version will work:
https://act.credoaction.com/sign/tra...e=clickcopy_sp

A ban on new transgender recruits is now official, but it seems the military will have some leeway in dealing with those already serving. https://www.vox.com/world/2017/8/25/...house-pentagon

Nice announcement on the Day of Visibility:
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/31/98311...e-in-the-milit

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Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo

Nice announcement on the Day of Visibility:
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/31/98311...e-in-the-milit

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An important measure and not a surprise, and one that has been implemented with smart efficiency- but the fast pace of policy reversals of Trumpery by the Federal Govt now accompanies an equally fast-pace attempt by the States to use Transgendered Americans as the proof that 'White Heterosexual Christians' are the victims of 'cancel culture' -these two trends, including the hundreds of Bills seeking to remove the vote from millions of Americans, are at odds with each other, and a resolution must be found as the two collide -presumably in the Supreme Court.

But what do most Americans support? Extending rights to Transgended Americans, or restricting them?

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Originally Posted by Stavros

But what do most Americans support? Extending rights to Transgended Americans, or restricting them?

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I think the split is pretty much along party lines, but transphobia is probably still in the lead. People really think rapists will "pretend" to be trans so they can legally be in women's bathrooms, and that athletes will go through the trauma of transition strictly for a competitive advantage.

This view from a Professor in Pittsburgh-

"I found evidence in the US that families and communities would accept children as a different gender than the one they were assigned at birth, let them go to school, use the correct bathroom, all of the things that are being fought over now. We can see that 70 or 80 years ago, we were actually in a more progressive place in some areas."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rson-interview