Re: Like The Way British Do The Backward Peace Sign
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spunktrumpet
Yeah, the good old internet is right thesis eh! I read that link and it just strikes me as a couple of bored fuckwits trying to prove/disprove something so they sound clever. When I was in Germany attached to an Artillery Regiment (the forebears of bow's & arrows), I remember reading one of the books in the sergeants mess which had all the battles etc in it, and that's where I read it. Who's right? Well not for me to say, but half of these battlefield detectives are only basing their shite on theories that they came up with, unless you were there a few hundred years ago your not gonna know what actually happened, I remember watching battlefield detectives & they said that the archers didn't do fuck all at Agincourt, now maybe I'm wrong but the only way to know exactly how effective a longbow is, is to put a suit of armour on & get 10 of your mates to shoot arrows at you, then you are in a position to comment on it. personally I prefer my version than a couple of boffins chatting shite between themselves. OK rant over.
i prefer your version as well :D
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Cheers Sammi, nice to see high score on the British Tgirl thread as well, you got my vote!
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Obviously I prefer 'your' version too - its a cool little story. But QI is a tv quiz show in England where they debunk popular myths and misconceptions, and I'd be very surprised if the researchers on that show were wrong.
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The 'V' sign can be positive and negative: in Leonardo's Virgin of the Rocks, Jesus, sitting next to the Angel, grants John (sitting with the Virgin) his benediction using two fingers: this symbol of the benediction is common in religious painting dating back to the Middle Ages, if not before. There is an argument that the V sign was inverted as the opposite of benediction, ie a curse of the devil, and in this form was taken over by devil-worshippers, and is also identified as an important signal for non/anti-Chrisitians druids, Freemasons (Churchill was both a Druid and a Freemason), the Illuminati, and any other wacko cult you can think of.
As a sign of peace, it is closest to the benediction: two fingers raised with the palm facing the receiver; as an insult, a sign of the devil: two fingers raised, often in an upward motion with the palm facing the giver.
With regard to the issue of Agincourt and the Archers, Anne Curry at Southampton University, whose research on Agincourt is superior to most, has established how many armed men were arraigned on each side, and proves that the English Archers were the key to the English victory:
‘The real contrast between the armies,’ she argues, ‘was their composition rather than their size.’ Of the 12,000 French, around 75 per cent were men-at-arms. The corresponding proportion for the English was 20 per cent, with the rest archers. Their superiority in terms of men-at-arms, all fighting on foot with swords, lances and maces, gave confidence to the French and led to them placing more troops in the vanguard in anticipation of winning the day with a huge first clash against the weaker English force. But they underestimated the effectiveness of the huge numbers of English archers. At over 7,000, and defended by both stakes and the geography of the battlefield, they proved inaccessible by cavalry charge.
The French vanguard had no choice but to advance into a constant barrage of arrow fire, akin to modern machine-gun fire. Those who managed to reach the English men-at-arms were too tightly packed to raise their weapons to fight. Most were killed or injured in the melee, many by a swift dagger to the neck. Their fate persuaded their colleagues in the remaining French lines that entering the fray could be suicidal. As a result Agincourt was marked by accusations of cowardice and treason."
The full article, which at two pages is probably too much for HA readers, can, nevertheless, be read here:
http://www.southampton.ac.uk/researc...agincourt.html
Re: Like The Way British Do The Backward Peace Sign
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spunktrumpet
Cheers Sammi, nice to see high score on the British Tgirl thread as well, you got my vote!
thanks hun !!!:D
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SammiValentine
i prefer your version as well :D
That was a really sweet thing to say.
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loveboof
. But QI is a tv quiz show in England where they debunk popular myths and misconceptions, and I'd be very surprised if the researchers on that show were wrong.
Yeah, as long as it's on TV it must be right, I too would be in awe if any TV programme ever skewed the facts to up the ratings and attract more people who are easily influenced, just saying lol.
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spunktrumpet
Yeah, as long as it's on TV it must be right, I too would be in awe if any TV programme ever skewed the facts to up the ratings and attract more people who are easily influenced, just saying lol.
lol. Well what you're saying is fucking stupid. Have you seen Qi? You can make a documentary with the leading specialists in any given field, and the fact it is shown on tv does not undermine the subject or accuracy of their evidence.
What is your evidence? The fact you were attached to an artillery regiment, then read a book? You know I'd be in awe if an author of a book ever skewed the facts. (just saying)
My dad told me about that myth as a kid, and it's a cool story. Does that make it true? No. You don't know for a fact what the origin of the gesture is - so your absurd hostility towards me and crazy defensive stance on something so unimportant does raise a few questions...
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loveboof
My dad told me about that myth as a kid, and it's a cool story. Does that make it true? No. You don't know for a fact what the origin of the gesture is - so your absurd hostility towards me and crazy defensive stance on something so unimportant does raise a few questions...
Whoaaaaa, easy Tiger, Had I realised your Dad said it then obviously I would have known not to respond what with your Dad being better than my Dad etc etc.
You remind me of some of the gunners I used to bully to amuse myself when I was bored in the field looking for an argument and all that good stuff! lol!:)
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Whoaaaaa, easy Tiger, Had I realised your Dad said it then obviously I would have known not to respond what with your Dad being better than my Dad etc etc.
You remind me of some of the gunners I used to bully to amuse myself when I was bored in the field looking for an argument and all that good stuff! lol!
Dude you must of never been in the military, starting arguments will get you your ass whooped and I am pretty sure you weren't starting fights with any of the combat MOSes. Lol, to amuse yourself? What a loser!
