He-he or He-she

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Are there any men out there that see us beyond our male attributes, that are honestly able to look at us as women, undeniably 100 percent, and not let ur insecurities overwhelm you. Whos not insecure?
Do you only call us, "she", and "women", because thats what we expect you to do, to please us? Or do u genuinly see us as such.
Just a few questions that came to mind.

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It takes a great effort for me to address a transsexual other than by saying "she." This is especially so if the transsexual has the "female" voice nearly perfected. I could never forget that a transsexual was born a man, but yet I can't ignore the feminity. I say "she" because that is how trans-women want to be addressed. I could never look at a pre-op trans as 100 percent woman because that would be ignoring her qualities as an individual. As well, it would be a case of me ignoring my own attraction to both the feminine and masculine aspects of a given trans.

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Originally Posted by SexxxyJade

I recently saw a guy who just couldn't get it thru his head that I wasn't a guy ( well not in my eyes anyway). Not in a sense where he didnt know I was a TS and I was hiding my "tee" or anything like that. This was a regular guy just like any other guy that i meet regularly who knew what I was but still choose to see me as a str8 up dude. obviously He kept calling me "dude", and "he". He even got to the point in our convo, being so direct, i think his exact words were " i never had a boyfriend before". I was kinda appalled. I have never been referred to as anyones "boyfriend".
He kept this going, even after we had played around sexually and everything.
So this made me wonder. Do all guys think of us ( TS), as guys, and boyfriends? Deep down inside, just plain ole guys just all sugar caosted? This would explain alot, your discreetness, insecurity to committ, going along with sterotypes, etc. All because you see us as just plain ole men.. in diguise.
Are there any men out there that see us beyond our male attributes, that are honestly able to look at us as women, undeniably 100 percent, and not let ur insecurities overwhelm you. Whos not insecure?
Do you only call us, "she", and "women", because thats what we expect you to do, to please us? Or do u genuinly see us as such.
Just a few questions that came to mind.

kisses,
Sexy Jade

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I genuinly see you as girls Jade. I have a couple of transsexual friends and frequently go out with them to bars, movies and even some small vacations. To me they are just like GG's. But in my country people are more tolerant towards gays and transsexuals. I know a lot of transsexuals girls (they call themselves that) who are persecuted in their own country for being a transsexual. That even worse then being called a man.

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Originally Posted by SexxxyJade

I recently saw a guy who just couldn't get it thru his head that I wasn't a guy ( well not in my eyes anyway). Not in a sense where he didnt know I was a TS and I was hiding my "tee" or anything like that. This was a regular guy just like any other guy that i meet regularly who knew what I was but still choose to see me as a str8 up dude. obviously He kept calling me "dude", and "he". He even got to the point in our convo, being so direct, i think his exact words were " i never had a boyfriend before". I was kinda appalled. I have never been referred to as anyones "boyfriend".
He kept this going, even after we had played around sexually and everything.
So this made me wonder. Do all guys think of us ( TS), as guys, and boyfriends? Deep down inside, just plain ole guys just all sugar caosted? This would explain alot, your discreetness, insecurity to committ, going along with sterotypes, etc. All because you see us as just plain ole men.. in diguise.
Are there any men out there that see us beyond our male attributes, that are honestly able to look at us as women, undeniably 100 percent, and not let ur insecurities overwhelm you. Whos not insecure?
Do you only call us, "she", and "women", because thats what we expect you to do, to please us? Or do u genuinly see us as such.
Just a few questions that came to mind.

kisses,
Sexy Jade

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I genuinly see you as girls Jade. I have a couple of transsexual friends and frequently go out with them to bars, movies and even some small vacations. To me they are just like GG's. But in my country people are more tolerant towards gays and transsexuals. I know a lot of transsexuals girls (they call themselves that) who are persecuted in their own country for being a transsexual. That even worse then being called a man.

I think some of us guys can see a TS as strictly a woman,female,girl, etc. Like someone else said, I'm beyong the point of using transsexual, etc..but that's just a personal decision. For some guys I think the fear of their family, friends, and yes even strangers viewing their girlfriend as a DUDE is what worries them most.
Some guys can see TS as strictly women, yet I do wonder about men that will not date or find post-op girls just as attractive.

If ANYONE starts using male pronouns with me I
correct them right away. Unless it's like buying
a slice of pizza or something where I will probably
never see that person again.

But if there is going to be any continuing exchange
I correct them and keep correcting them. Don't put
up with that shit.

I think is was either a sign of his insecurities or he was just plain mean. The most appealling thing about a TS woman is this. It takes a certain strength of character to match who you are inside to your outward apperance. Society shuns TS wome as......well just fill in the blanks. I see TS women as women, hell they give you as much drama anyway. But a true TS has a powerful senusual side. I just see them as sexy ass women period.

Actualy this guy was very nice. But we met of a one time basis type terms, as Caliegh said about the pizza guy, ill probably never see him again. He was a client, it just kinda gagged me that he saw me as a dude.
But like I said he was one of the nicest guys that ive met on a business level, he did mention that it was his second time. So maybe he is still adjusting to the whole thing. Still kinda strange tho.

judging by your avatar, i just wish more women looked like you. and if you constitute a 'dude' - i'm going gay.

;) - all in fun!

And yeah, i'll agree with your assessment, i think he's just trying to come to terms with it.

I've been dating my transsexual girl for over a year and truly appreciate and see her for the girl she is not the guy she used to be. I guess it's easier for me because I met her after full transition. But even other girls i've met in the past i've had no problem referring to as Miss, sweetie etc.
I remember I was on a train one day a few yrs ago and bumped into this lady, she turned around looking a little pissed...I made her for a transsexual...but I just simply said "sorry Miss"... she smiled and winked

Jade, no offense, but your pic is you holding your dick. You're not a girl as far as the majority of people would consider one, you're a transexual girl.

Get over it.

As far as most conventional thinking goes, you're "weird". Guys that really would understand you and like you on all levels are also considered by most as "weird".

It's all a matter of us getting over this "weird" thinking and just be people. Who cares about fitting in and stupid catagories? Just be happy with yourself and quit worrying about the labels the uptight losers try to place on you.

Whoops, looks like I posted on Hung Angels again.

Weird. . .