Production and promotion standards in the TS niche

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Originally Posted by TempestTS

There is a Market for everything.

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Really now? Sure, beauty is the eye of the beholder, blah blah blah, but sometimes ugly is just ugly. Is there a market for this?

http://howuglyami.com/ugly001.jpg

Oh wait. That's me. Damn! :P

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

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Originally Posted by TempestTS

There is a Market for everything.

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Really now? Sure, beauty is the eye of the beholder, blah blah blah, but sometimes ugly is just ugly. Is there a market for this?

I think not. I think we can all agree that this girl is fugly and that nobody would pay to see her get naked or gods forbid fuck. I'm just saying - beauty isn't always subjective. Sometimes it just is... or in some cases, like this one, isn't. ;)

~BB~

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Actually I would guess that there is somebody out there somewhere that for whater reason is completely turned on by someone like her and would pay good money to see her in a movie or pics.

Go over to the Clibs4Sale site and just take a look at all the strange categories you can buy content for...

Toothbrushing

Sweat Fetish

Ugly

Spinal Brace Fetish

Sneezing

Hiccups

coughing fetish

Nose Pinching


Seriously... I cant even concieve of thinking how anyone would be able to get off on a fetish for Hiccups or Nose Pinching but apparently there is a market for it otherwise why bother filming it and having a category for it...
Sneezing fetish??? WTF, somebody is paying 7.99 for an 11 minute clip of somone Sneezing and wiping snot off their face? I dont get it but I guess thats at least one persons idea of a hot fantasy.

And yes there is a category for UGLY... If you have a twisted kink there is someone out there who will film it and sell it to you I guess.

So the answer if there is a market for That?

YES!! but I cant begin to explain why.

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Originally Posted by tsmandy

I'm constantly amazed at the images that my company chooses from a photo set (or any company for that matter) to promote me, because I don't necessarily feel comfortable with their choices. But that doesn't mean that someone else won't be really turned on by those images. So I try to not sweat it when I see a pic that I think is not flattering, because what I think is most attractive isn't necessarily gonna give someone else a boner.

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Exactly. Talent gets paid for being talent. Producers get paid to deliver the product THEIR CLIENT wants (whether they are in house producers like at Grooby and others, our outside contractors). And site owners/publishers pay for it all, take the financial risks and choose what they want to try to sell.

Now, if some girl was told she was posing for glamor shots for Playboy and ended up in some local rag looking like a crack ho, she'd have something to complain about. But 95% of the time if the girl bothered to spend 5 minutes and looked at the site they were posing for, they would know what to expect their shoot was going to look like. If you go look at the site and there's 10 years worth of photo sets up of girls "bad side" being shown, you can't be too surprised when you do a shoot for them and your set ends up looking like the same style that 100's of other photo sets look like. If you don't want pics like that up, don't go shoot with that company and don't collect the money.

Or if you want TOTAL control over everything, do what Tara Emory, Jennifer Paris and other girls do and produce/publish your own stuff.

I'm sure you signed a Model Release before the shoot. I can't tell you how many times we've had girls call us months or even years after doing shoots for us and demanding we take their pics down that WE OWN and have had on our sites for years. We paid them, we paid for studios, equipment, editing, etc.,etc, etc. If you are going to do porn, it's going to be around FOREVER. If you can't think about the consequences of having EVERYTHING that got shot at your gig possbily showing up at ANY time in the future... DON'T DO IT.

And I'll give away one of the biggest secrets in the Adult business (sorry to all my peers for letting this cat out of the bag in public). There's only 2 reasons to do porn as flat rate/day rate/scene rate talent:
1) You're an attention starved exhibitionist who is looking for their 15 minutes of fame at ANY cost, or
2) So you can raise your escorting rates for being a "porn star".
(and reason 2 is WAYYYYYYYY better than reason 1; so much so that I really only mean reason 2, but throw in reason 1 for people who point out the 1 in 1,000 girls who go into it for that reason and get what they think they want).

I think Bella has a point. For me, both Shemale Club and Ladyboy69 stand out as sites who consistently put some thought into pre-production and the actual shoot. The lighting is excellent. They think about the background colors... walls, sheets, furniture, etc., that contrast against a girl's skin color. It's just easier to watch these videos.

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Originally Posted by slinky

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Originally Posted by tsmandy

I'm constantly amazed at the images that my company chooses from a photo set (or any company for that matter) to promote me, because I don't necessarily feel comfortable with their choices. But that doesn't mean that someone else won't be really turned on by those images. So I try to not sweat it when I see a pic that I think is not flattering, because what I think is most attractive isn't necessarily gonna give someone else a boner.

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Exactly. Talent gets paid for being talent. Producers get paid to deliver the product THEIR CLIENT wants (whether they are in house producers like at Grooby and others, our outside contractors). And site owners/publishers pay for it all, take the financial risks and choose what they want to try to sell.

Now, if some girl was told she was posing for glamor shots for Playboy and ended up in some local rag looking like a crack ho, she'd have something to complain about. But 95% of the time if the girl bothered to spend 5 minutes and looked at the site they were posing for, they would know what to expect their shoot was going to look like. If you go look at the site and there's 10 years worth of photo sets up of girls "bad side" being shown, you can't be too surprised when you do a shoot for them and your set ends up looking like the same style that 100's of other photo sets look like. If you don't want pics like that up, don't go shoot with that company and don't collect the money.

Or if you want TOTAL control over everything, do what Tara Emory, Jennifer Paris and other girls do and produce/publish your own stuff.

I'm sure you signed a Model Release before the shoot. I can't tell you how many times we've had girls call us months or even years after doing shoots for us and demanding we take their pics down that WE OWN and have had on our sites for years. We paid them, we paid for studios, equipment, editing, etc.,etc, etc. If you are going to do porn, it's going to be around FOREVER. If you can't think about the consequences of having EVERYTHING that got shot at your gig possbily showing up at ANY time in the future... DON'T DO IT.

And I'll give away one of the biggest secrets in the Adult business (sorry to all my peers for letting this cat out of the bag in public). There's only 2 reasons to do porn as flat rate/day rate/scene rate talent:
1) You're an attention starved exhibitionist who is looking for their 15 minutes of fame at ANY cost, or
2) So you can raise your escorting rates for being a "porn star".
(and reason 2 is WAYYYYYYYY better than reason 1; so much so that I really only mean reason 2, but throw in reason 1 for people who point out the 1 in 1,000 girls who go into it for that reason and get what they think they want).

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Good points

Shit.... beat out again by slow typing.

TempestTST you hit the nail squarely on the head.

Oh, and by the end of the day today some guy, somewhere, will be jerking off to the first post on this page.

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Originally Posted by slinky

Or if you want TOTAL control over everything, do what Tara Emory, Jennifer Paris and other girls do and produce/publish your own stuff.

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Tara is a great example. She always wanted to do things more artful than just naked sex so she decided to see if she could do that and find a market for it. Spends lots of time and money on her shoots and I think they look great but I am pretty certain that Grooby and Shemale Club have more site members. The real question is if she is happy with the returns for what she is doing.

My solo site just opened this year... Im losing buckets of cash vs income but I really like what Im doing and I think there is a market for it if I can push the word out but I like what Im doing enough that even if I lost every dime I spent I would say I was happy to do it because a large part of that is artistic self expression which I value more than money. Some would say Im an idiot for tossing money away like that... I would say Im happy so it dosent matter.

I would be hard pressed to find a single person in this world that has always been given the credit and due that they deserve but I would find it quite easy to find a few people that I think got quite a bit more than they are worth or deserve. (Hmmm George W. Bush.... oh I digress)

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Originally Posted by Odelay

I think Bella has a point. For me, both Shemale Club and Ladyboy69 stand out as sites who consistently put some thought into pre-production and the actual shoot. The lighting is excellent. They think about the background colors... walls, sheets, furniture, etc., that contrast against a girl's skin color. It's just easier to watch these videos.

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I have to hand it to the Grooby people though. They have something for everyone including myself focused on a particular niche. Sometimes the girls can seem so far away or larger than life, but Grooby has a way of presenting them like the real people they are who could even be the girl next door. Too much airbrushing or shooting under obviously contrived circumstances can sure make a girl seem artificial or plastic.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

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Originally Posted by TempestTS

There is a Market for everything.

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Really now? Sure, beauty is the eye of the beholder, blah blah blah, but sometimes ugly is just ugly. Is there a market for this?

http://howuglyami.com/ugly001.jpg

Oh wait. That's me. Damn! :P

~BB~

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And BTW, I have to try to be delicate about this, but there's a girl on the NYC party circuit....... well .... those who know, know what I'm talking about.