Nope. Crypto, from the Greek kruptos, means hidden or secret.Quote:
Originally Posted by hippifried
Example: Cryptography - Hidden Writing
I also have never heard term "crypto-conservative."[/i]
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Nope. Crypto, from the Greek kruptos, means hidden or secret.Quote:
Originally Posted by hippifried
Example: Cryptography - Hidden Writing
I also have never heard term "crypto-conservative."[/i]
I live on the coast and I can tell you that I've seen no visible change in sealevel over the last 15 years. If we've had drastic melting of ice then shouldn't there already be a drastic change in sea level? Where's the flooding?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogers
Ice in the arctic has shrunk in recent years but guess what? Ice in the antarctic has grown. What does all this prove? Not a thing either way.
In it's history, the earth has been both much warmer and much cooler than it is today. Al Gore and his hockey stick shaped graph showing impending doom in the next 20 years is simply not serious science.
There's no shortage of junk science and slanted reports out there that both "prove" and "disprove" the man made global warming catastrophy. The entire issue has become politicised to the point of absurdity.
So how do we tell if the Man Made Global Warming Catastrophy is legit or bs? I'd suggest doing it the same way that you defend in basketball, ignore headbobs and pumpfakes... keep track of the dribblers feet. Al Gore is Man Made Global Warmings greatest spokesperson and yet he is a complete energy hog in his personal life. If Al Gore really thought the sky was falling then his energy bills wouldn't be 20 times the national average. That's right, 20 times the average wasteful energy hog American family.
Keep in mind that Al Gore's plantation in the Nashville, not a particularly demanding place in terms of winter home heating.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...nergy-use.html
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...s_mansion.html
http://www.economistblog.com/2008/06...y-not-as-i-do/
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Globa...2906888&page=1
Hmmm, so that would make a crypto-conservative a closet conservative. Thanks! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by The Hierophant
Wait, I'm confused by your statement: " mad dash to burn up as much fuel as possible in as short a time as possible"Quote:
Originally Posted by hippifried
Isn't that one thing Cap&Trade is supposedly going to avoid? Isn't the idea to artificially limit supply?
If anyone was really serious about carbon emissions they'd have us switch to nuclear energy and build proper light-rail commuter networks in all cities and surrounding suburbs.
I still think Cap&Trade is a scam.
*sigh*Quote:
Originally Posted by techi
Sea-level has only risen a few centimeters in the last 15 years. Only melting ice on land will affect sea-level, not ice already on the sea.
http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki...Level_Rise_png
There has been some cooling of the central Antarctic, but this has been exaggerated. This cooling has been strongly tied to the hole in the ozone layer. Ozone is also a greenhouse gas. This cooling has therefore been man-made and will end when the ozone layer closes again. This further backs the idea of man-made global warming as CO2 is a much stronger greenhouse gas than ozone is.Quote:
Originally Posted by techi
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture07669.html
http://faculty.washington.edu/steig/nature09data/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarct...ng_controversy
Yes, the earth has indeed been hotter. It used to be a fireball at one time. But that doesn't mean that it's not warming right now, and that man isn't to blame for it. The "hockey stick" wasn't found by Al Gore and has been backed up by numerous subsequent studies.Quote:
Originally Posted by techi
http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki...ations_Rev_png
Indeed, climate change has become heavily politicized. You've proved that yourself by bringing up Al Gore. Al Gore is NOT a scientist.Quote:
Originally Posted by techi
Yes, in this debate we have politicians acting like scientists and scientists acting like politicians. Sigh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogers
You are right, Al Gore is no scientist. Yet he was the star witness at the congressional hearings on Cap&Trade. And based on his behavior I'm certain that Al Gore himself does not believe the doom&gloom that he speaks regarding man made global warming. If working closely with all the climate change scientists hasn't convinced Al Gore then why should we believe it either?
Apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by techi
No. It's about raising efficiency standards & shrinking the carbon footprint per barrel of oil or ton of coal.Quote:
Originally Posted by techi
Yeah that's fine too, but remember that you could triple the price of fossil fuel & nuclear power would still be the most expensive to produce.Quote:
Originally Posted by techi
Maybe if you knew what it was... You won't find out from blogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by techi
Tradable carbon emission allowances, the government is to reduce the total allowances over time.Quote:
Originally Posted by hippifried
Apparently you don't think that speculators are going to worm thier way into the trading process. Or mebbe don't care.
I think a clean coal carbon solution is a pipedream, I don't believe they can roll it out on a large scale in a cost effective manner. On the other hand there are viable technologies to improve the energy captured per ton of coal burned. So basically we'd be talking about getting more out of a given quantity of fuel. At that point a straight up tax per ton of coal works just fine... no need for a new cap&trade cottage industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by hippifried
Same goes for oil. We're looking at improving the mpg not the carbon emissions per gallon.
Over 3 times as expensive? Compared to what? Carbon neutral fossil fuel solutions that don't even exist?Quote:
Originally Posted by hippifried
And if you price oil, add in the Trillions that's being squandered in middle east military adventures.
France gets about 85% of it's electricity from nuclear power and they've been doing just fine.