You're right - publicity photos don't necessarily mean shit...but if you're going to label the man a racist, then you should probably state what facts you base that on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiet Reflections
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You're right - publicity photos don't necessarily mean shit...but if you're going to label the man a racist, then you should probably state what facts you base that on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiet Reflections
All time sure but Elvis was out longer and given the same amount of time i think MJ will easily take that over especially now with his death(he will pick up way more than 20 million in sales). And Fuck Bing Crosby except in White Christmas and Danny Kaye was still better than him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecstatic
It not my label to give i just agree with it. He already had it before i was bornQuote:
Originally Posted by fred41
You made a statement "Elvis was a racist" and what evidence did you provide to prove it? Nothing, nada, zip.
I provide a number of items. Don't like the pics? fine, Don't believe Snopes? Fine. Do you know who Peter Guralnick is? He's one of the most respected historians of modern American music. You might want to read his article (link below Snopes link.) Instead of simply asserting that "Elvis was a racist," please provide documentation: Quotes, news articles, whatever, to back up your claim. Recount one of the stories you heard about Elvis.
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Originally Posted by Quiet Reflections
Not your "label to give," you just agree with it? Uh? That makes no sense. Neither does your statement "He already had it before I was born." Had what? So far, you're really failing at proving your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiet Reflections
"Elvis was a hero to most
But he never meant shit to me you see
Straight up racist that sucker was
Simple and plain
Mother fuck him and John Wayne"
Public Enemy - Fight The Power
If Chuck D says it's true then it must be true.
Chuck D's word is gospel :wink:
Repeat after me, "I will not learn history from music lyrics." :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by timxxx
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/11/op...ewanted=2&_r=1
"So why didn’t the rumor die? Why did it continue to find common acceptance up to, and past, the point that Chuck D of Public Enemy could declare in 1990, “Elvis was a hero to most... straight-up racist that sucker was, simple and plain”?
"Chuck D has long since repudiated that view for a more nuanced one of cultural history, but the reason for the rumor’s durability, the unassailable logic behind its common acceptance within the black community rests quite simply on the social inequities that have persisted to this day, the fact that we live in a society that is no more perfectly democratic today than it was 50 years ago. As Chuck D perceptively observes, what does it mean, within this context, for Elvis to be hailed as “king,” if Elvis’s enthronement obscures the striving, the aspirations and achievements of so many others who provided him with inspiration?"
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Fred41 said I labeled him Racist but he already had the label of being a racist before i was born(true or not he had it) is what i meant and I'm not trying to prove a point. Its my choice to believe it and has become my opinion also. When i was younger i got to meet a lot of my grandpa friends that had stories to tell. Like i said i tend to believe them over the public image of him that the world likes to write about. There were a lot of racists from the south at that time if you want to believe that he wasn't one of them go for it but I don't and I'm not trying to get anyone else to think so either. Form your own opinion as i did. I just didn't read an article or look at pictures. hey call me crazy but I think the elderly are one of the greatest sources of firsthand knowledge. Nobody ever wants to bad mouth the dead but we all know not everybody famous was nice while they were alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2009AD
Timxxx I do like that song but John Wayne was awesome
No I'm not the first king of controversy
I am the worst thing since Elvis Presley
to do black music so selfishly
and used it to get myself wealthy
DP
OK, so it is your opinion that Elvis was a racist. You are entitled to your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiet Reflections
The stories you heard about Presley's racism, did you heard them from people who knew and interacted with him? First hand accounts?