Why can't people see me as a woman

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Originally Posted by juliana_dominguez

She just told me, Even though i've got the whole entire operation, Surgeon's letter, Psychologist's letter etc. They will still consider my birth sex which is male. I was so pissed so I talked to her and showed her all legal documents that I have in hand. She told me that she really can't do anything, she said "YOU'RE STILL A MAN, EVEN IF YOU HAVE SURGERIES. YOU ARE STILL A MAN, WHAT YOU HAVE IS ARTIFICIAL AND NOT REAL OR NATURAL."

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Fucking bureaucrats. When they have you in front of them, and even if you know the rules and know that they are supposed to follow those rules, they don't have to. They think they can do what they want.

I am sorry if I did not catch this, I hope you stepped over into another persons line and got that done. (This reminds me of when I went to get the gender on my DL changed. One young hip but transphobic bitch would not do it. While a visibly religious sister followed the rules and did her job. You just never know sometimes.)

Tell me was that fish ugly or inadequate in some way....some reason for her to be jealous perhaps.

Sorry to hear this Julianna. They got you out of a small technicality. I bet if your Philippine passport and birth certificate said FEMALE, this wouldn't have been a problem. There was a similar case a few years ago involving a post op transexual. Where the post op was peitioning her fiancee. They we're denied too because the USCIS found out that she was once a man and had SRS. But they sued and i *think won (I heard from someone)?

Check this out:

http://news.pacificnews.org/news/vie...42b9a2f50400e4

So that's an option you and your husband can take. But be prepared for much scrutiny. They will research you and your husbands past. And that could get very ugly!

Anyways, don't let them get you down. You are an RN and you can get work sponsorship and get around this BS! Much luck with everything hun. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

Thanks for all the reply and support

I wouldn't be able to change my records in the Philippines because the government doesn't allow transsexual women pre/non/post to have their documents changed or corrected. Only Intersexed people can have the right to do so. This has been challenged alot of times already but seems to me that the Supreme Court is not on our side.

I believe everything will be just as fine. I've got all the paperwork, all documents that I can show as proof. That's the harsh thing about Immigration, I probably think this is not my lucky day, cause I've got an Immigration officer who is judgemental, close minded, gender prejudice and discriminating.

I would go back and tell them that this is not acceptable. It sounds like you got a newbie that does not know how to do her job. She took the shortcut instead of doing a little research to make things right. You have followed the rules and they need to make the documentation accurate. You are a female. Good luck Juliana.

Juliana, you are most definitely all woman, as far as I am concerned. Those persons who would give you trouble about that are just showing off their inhumanity (not to mention rudeness) to us all. As long as you know who your true friends are, you'll be okay. :)

Juliana,
Don't allow another's ignorance, insensitivity, callousness, and lack of professionalism get to you. You didn't come this far in your young life's journey to permit an idiot to play with your head like this, did you?
I have had the great privilege of meeting you (at the pageant last year), and yes, you are a lovely woman in mind, heart, spirit, and body. A very beautiful woman at that.

Eleanor Roosevelt's quote comes into play once again:

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.

:)

what if all you had was your california ID?
and NOT your phillipines passport?

Actually, I believe what she did was intentional verbal assault and grounds for termination. I would have asked to speak to her manager on the spot.

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Originally Posted by blckhaze

It sounds like they were just being really low. It really sux because if your were born In the US, youd have had no problems fixing ur BC (birth cert) and all that.

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Unless you're born in one of the what, 4 states (?) that refuse to issue new birth certificates, like Ohio.

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Originally Posted by Hara_Juku Tgirl

Sorry to hear this Julianna. They got you out of a small technicality. I bet if your Philippine passport and birth certificate said FEMALE, this wouldn't have been a problem.

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That's precisely what the problem is. Immigration likes to use the country of origin's documentation as a starting point when processing people. It's not a process designed with trans issues in mind, because for most the people that walk threw that door- all their documentation is consistent from birth to their attempt to become an American citizen.

That said, the clerk was way out of line for the "srs isn't real" lecture. Federal employees in capacities like these are there STRICTLY for following department policy & the various statures (laws) involved. They're not there to lecture people. They're supposed to shut up even if they have personal opinions on issues and simply say "we have to handle this as if you're male because of your incoming documentation from where you were a citizen says so." No lecture, no ranting, no "i am better than you/you're delusional" crap. The lady could probably have been fired for the lecture if the issue is pressed.

Even when the clerk knows not to go ranting, you'll probably know if the clerk is PO'd at the situation. When I changed my name and went to the DMV to get a new DL, the lady who worked there immediately got extremely mad when she saw the court order (her whole facial expression and body language immediately changed), she wasn't hiding how mad she was that she had to process a new DL for me... and then hoped the court order was a fake and made me wait while she called the court house to verify everything was legit. But, she knew there would be been repercussions for using it as an opportunity to get on a soapbox and simply said "this is what we need from you to do this" and once she had all the information (RealID is a bitch...) she silently processed it and that was the end of it (gotta love bureaucracies). Ok, so the DMV isn't usually known as a cheerful place to begin with, but her demeaner was like night & day once she saw the old name in the various paperwork RealID requires.

Personally, I would have told her that her "its not real, you're always a man" crap shows she's misinformed, the federal government has recognized changes of sex status (at least in part) for a long time. Postops in the US can get female passports, are considered female by the SSA- she simply has no idea wtf she's talking about.