2 Convicted of Murdering Transgender Teen

I think that she was partly responsible for misleading the guys and hiding the fact that she was a T, but murder is murder and that doesn't lessen their crime in my opinion. If they had beaten her for fooling them, well, that would still be heinous, but much more understandable. But getting a rope and deliberating killing her totally erodes their defense of being manipulated or tricked by her. There is no excuse for such violence. While a feeling of berayal or being tricked may anger a person, there is no justification in taking violent action against that person as as result, and absolutely no justification for murder under any circumstances. I can't believe they got off with second degree murder charges.

How the hell do you hold a dead girl accountable shes DEAD
man you people sometimes really make me wonder
murder is a violent crime and she was beat to death by three people ,im so surprised that anyone can say leesen the setence of the guys to hold the girl accountable
her punishment is she will never live again isnt that enough
or should the message be kill a trannie say she never told you that she was transsexual and you will get a leeser sentence
god im sick over this
cut there balls off and put them in jail forever
murder is never acceptable EVER

Dina

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Originally Posted by ARMANIXXX

I think Kiely_Marie makes a good point.

In my opionion, Gwen is accountable for what happened to her. Obviously there are many men who are not interested in having sex with men and/or transgendered women and trying to fool them into doing so is serious business.....DEATHLY serious. Unfortunately she was only 17 and she probably was too young and unaware how serious this type of "prank" is.

I don't believe these guys should get off totally scott free, but I think lessening their punishment would help to hold Gwen accountable as well as the young men who did this.

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You have the right to your opinion ; I just think it is pretty sick.

That poor little girl was brutally killed by two psychos, and you say she`s "accountable" for for what happened to her???

I agree partly with what Kiely_Marie is stating. Although there is no way to condone her murder, the fact is that she put herself into an unsafe and dangerous position by the actions she took.
I know plenty of TS's who do this - either for a kick or personal gratification of being able to pass as a female, or in the case of the working girls, for money and in my opinion, they're all putting themselves in the face of danger.
When there are homophobes (especially more than one together) and they feel like they've been tricked into having sex with a male when they thought it was a female, they're going to lash out. You drama queens who expect otherwise, aren't living in the real world.
I do think this is a hate crime and they should have been convicted of such, however I also think 15 to life is the sentence they deserve for murder and hopefully this will educate other young transgenders to be more cautious and those who perpetuate these crimes that they cannot use the excuse/defense that these idiots used.
seanchai

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Originally Posted by seanchai

Although there is no way to condone her murder, the fact is that she put herself into an unsafe and dangerous position by the actions she took.

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yea, cosign this shit

i hope young and old trannies learn from this too
i would never condone this type of "tricking"
it is too dangerous
but they are still murderes and i will always be a drama queen
Dina

When I volunteered at a community outreach center a few years ago, we had a powerpoint presentation we put on for the younger transsexuals. It was entitled a Hetero Guide to Dating for MtoF Transsexuals (its up on transsexual.org now):

1. If you date men, you are always in potentially fatal danger. Be aware.

2. Make certain, before you even consider a date, that your partner is FULLY aware of your status and is not significantly bothered by it. Never date anyone who does not know about you.

3. Be aware that in our society, men who are secure enough to accept you are rare. there are predators who attack transsexuals, confused sorts who seek to use and then punish transsexuals, and those who try to be accepting but fail, often violently.

4. Be honest, be aware, and be very, very cautious.

5. Some men may only like you because of your transsexuality, and may find you uninteresting post-operatively. Be sure of the attractions that occur.

6. It is not all dark, but you will have to search more carefully, and be more aware, than nontranssexual women. Even with all the above, know that it is possible to find caring partners and loving friends.

At the time it seemed a bit overboard (I did not write it) but out of the 10 girl in the group, 2 were murdered that year and 2 more within 2 years time.

I think thats enough to keep me a drama queen forever
when i worked in other t.s clubs i remember 2 girls that went on "dates" and never came back
it was so scary at that time in NYC cause they met the guys in ts bars
this is the reason why most post ops try to blend and leave the active transsexual scene
it is scary
Dina

I don't think anyone is saying she deserved what happened. Far from it. However, by having sex with guys and not telling them she put herself in a bad/dangerous situation. Lots of girls do this, but to a much lesser degree. It's probably never smart. There is a really fine line between what would make a guy embarassed versus dangerously outraged.

I think if anything, girls, including me, can learn a lesson from this. Maybe it will keep some girls alive or out of bad situations. I try to do the same thing by preaching out about silicone but something really bad usually has to happen to people before they learn.

All of you girls saying she should have told everyone about her "T" are hypocrites.
Everyone of you!
ALL OF YOU HAVE DONE THE SAME THING!
At one time or another.
All of you.
And now you judge her after she is dead?
Shameful...........