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Originally Posted by PeterK

When the USA started this war almost nobody was against it. Now when things don't go as people would like it to be this war has to be stopped.
Yeah right! The American people chose a president who started this war.
Not once but Bush was chosen twice.

The democrats are fighting who can be candidate and McCain will be the next president. And he won't bring your troops home.
Sadly but true. This war won't be over very soon and the US economy will suffer even more.

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My friends were against the war before it started. We discussed how it would upset the balance of power in the region among other things. I did not think that Saddam was a threat. Even if he had weapons he had no delivery system and we already had air power over his nation through a ‘no fly zone’.

As far as Bush being elected twice we all remember how he got in office the first term. We know that he lost the popular vote. And the fact the 2000 election was even close was due to public manipulation. Al Gore could not use the success of the Clinton years like he could have because of that bogus Monica Lewinsky crisis. Why is she never mentioned today? Because it is so obvious how trivial that situation was in reality. I say it was an illegal coup attempt based upon technicalities when the public good was really more important. Bill Clinton’s sexual escapades got front page news, but Osama Bin Laden declaration of war on US troops was buried to the back pages.

By second term with the war going on many people did not want to change leadership in the middle of a war. And he still did not win by much. He was greatly helped that his base was stirred up by the gay marriage issue. As I have said before, here in Ohio gay marriages were banned in a 2002 election. But then they put it back on the ballot in 2004 to place the ban as a constitutional amendment. There were some irregularities here with long lines in heavy Democratic areas and college towns. But the person whose responsibility to certify the election results was also Bush’s state campaign chairman.

I do agree that the war will not be over any time soon, no matter who becomes president. There never was any plan to bring troops home. The real plan was to build permanent bases and use Iraq as base for regional control. And the US is showing it's committment by opening the world largest embassy. Instead I see the US as going out the way of the other empires. They overstretched their capacity because of greed. And that is something my friend also predicted before the war started.

I was against this war before it started and plenty of people expressed the same sentiments at the time. From the start there was serious doubt concerning the existence of WMDs in Iraq. From the start there was serious doubt about the morality of America embarking on its very first preemptive war. On day one after the bombing, as Bagdad’s streets and buildings were being overrun with looters and the city’s infrastructure was being carried away for scrap, we saw how unprepared Rumsfeld was for the next step of the Iraqi mission. The premise that in the beginning hardly no one was against this war is just simply mistaken. Sure, now that bad has gone to worse, a lot more people see this engagement for the fiasco it is.

I do agree it would be tragic were McCain to win the presidency, because he WILL continue to drain American blood onto the oil fields of Iraq. I’m not so sure the competition between Hillary and Obama will remembered in November. I think the democratic party will unite behind either of them. Sure, there are some polls now that show McCain neck and neck with Obama, and others that show him neck to neck with Hillary. But these are polls where the Democratic vote is still split by the current indecision between Hillary and Obama. To truly see how McCain is currently doing against the democrats you need a poll that matches him against either Hillary OR Obama.

Will a democratic president pull the troops out of Iraq? Well at least it’s an open question. They say they will. I think they’re honestly expressing their intentions. We know that McCain says he won’t. I think he is also honestly expressing his intention.

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When the USA started this war almost nobody was against it.

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What a crock of shit.

So now that you've proven yourself to be a total idiot in the GD section you've also decided to prove that in the PR section?

Putz.

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Originally Posted by PeterK

When the USA started this war almost nobody was against it.

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Britain followed the US...as it always does. Australia followed the US....and has been rewarded with the free trade agreement it sought.

Every other sovereign country and the United Nations opposed this action. It was seen internationally as an excuse to gain a strategic foothold in the region, a means of securing oil supply and a diversion from US domestic issues.

No-one gave any credence to the supposed "weapons of mass destruction", the "imminent threat" posed by an impoverished country or vague accusations about Iraq's involvement with Al Qaeda - given that Iraq was the only country in the region that completely opposed Al Qaeda!

There are winners - US munitions companies have made a killing (pun very much intended), Dick Cheney's stock option with Haliburton rose astronomically, but the biggest winner is Iran. http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/20...aq_riedel.aspx

From an outsiders perspective it must rank as the worst foreign policy decision since Japan attached Pearl Harbour. Now we hear the candidates (and I must say all 3 candidates) with variations on the same theme: we'll withdraw troops in a timely manner without endangering lives.

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Originally Posted by chefmike

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When the USA started this war almost nobody was against it.

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What a crock of shit.

So now that you've proven yourself to be a total idiot in the GD section you've also decided to prove that in the PR section?

Putz.

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Ofcourse my friend. When the euro was introduced we had to pay 1.20 euro for a dollar. Now we have to pay 0.60 euro for a dollar.
This started when you went to war. Now who is an idiot?
Your economy is dead. Because of this war.
No one stopped Bush and no one did while they had the chance in 2004.
Poor USA

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Originally Posted by chefmike

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When the USA started this war almost nobody was against it.

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What a crock of shit.

So now that you've proven yourself to be a total idiot in the GD section you've also decided to prove that in the PR section?

Putz.

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Maybe instead of spending all your time here and sucking up to a pornstar in the gd section you should get of your lazy ass and do something about it. quoting articles from the internet doens't help very much. You have to much time on your hands, everyone can see that.
Just a hint: use that time instead of yelling to others who don't agree with you. You have a lot of anger inside you. Probaly because you are some pimpelhead student who cannot get a date.
I get the feeling that Bush won't lose any sleep over some moron named chefmike who is yelling and screaming on a transsexual porn site.

But is no use talking to you.
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Originally Posted by PeterK

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Originally Posted by chefmike

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When the USA started this war almost nobody was against it.

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What a crock of shit.

So now that you've proven yourself to be a total idiot in the GD section you've also decided to prove that in the PR section?

Putz.

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Ofcourse my friend. When the euro was introduced we had to pay 1.20 euro for a dollar. Now we have to pay 0.60 euro for a dollar.
This started when you went to war. Now who is an idiot?
Your economy is dead. Because of this war.
No one stopped Bush and no one did while they had the chance in 2004.
Poor USA

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Are you serious? The US economy is not "dead" and I really don't think the Iraq war had any impact whatsover in the value of the US dollar. Yes, the Euro has strengthened over the past 12 months, largely due to the European Union being the world's largest economy.

Here are some facts:
In Dec 04, 1 Euro bought US$1.34
In Dec 06, 1 Euro bought US$1.32
Today, 1 Euro buys you US$1.56

Like I say - nothing to do with Iraq. What a strange suggestion!

That is wat economist tell us.

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Originally Posted by tstv_lover

Are you serious? The US economy is not "dead" and I really don't think the Iraq war had any impact whatsover in the value of the US dollar. Yes, the Euro has strengthened over the past 12 months, largely due to the European Union being the world's largest economy.

Here are some facts:
In Dec 04, 1 Euro bought US$1.34
In Dec 06, 1 Euro bought US$1.32
Today, 1 Euro buys you US$1.56

Like I say - nothing to do with Iraq. What a strange suggestion!

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The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have had a direct impact on the value of the dollar. The government spends much more than it takes in. It borrows the rest. The US national debt has doubled during the Bush administration. Constant borrowing over the last 8 years has driven the value of the dollar to near historic lows.

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Originally Posted by PeterK

But is no use talking to you.

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There's no need for you to continue talking, imbecile. You have already proven what an ill-informed idiot you are here and in the GD section.