Locker Room Bullies and the LGBT Community

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Originally Posted by chefmike

Folks like Mr. Dungy need to take responsibility for creating such a climate through their actions (or, in the case of the pervasive anti-LGBT commentary we hear in locker rooms, on playing fields, and at sporting events, their inaction).

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Folks like Mr. Dungy won't take responsibility for their actions/comments/etc.. until the religion is thoroughly scrubbed from their brain.

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Originally Posted by joeboz

I just don't understand the point of view that automatically dismisses the religious (meaning Christianity, Islam and Judaism) community's view on gay marriage as being "discriminatory". They believe what they believe because it is written in their doctrines. Should they just amend their texts because you claim that they are discriminatory?

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No, they should not amend their texts, they should realize they're living in the US of fucking A, where religion is not party to politics and laws (theoretically at least)

What they believe is completely and entirely irrelevant in this case. Their book means nothing in the eyes of US law.

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Originally Posted by biguy4tvtscd

Folks like Mr. Dungy won't take responsibility for their actions/comments/etc.. until the religion is thoroughly scrubbed from their brain.

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While bigotry is abhorrent, the only thing worse than an honest bigot is one that practices it while condemming it. I don't like organized religion, but don't religious people have a right to their position, to promote it and at least attempt through conventional process to argue it in the courts. Just because I 100% disagree with them doesn't mean we should suggest religion is bad.

I am generally liberal on the issues but one thing that really worries me, ironically, is how the country has demonized religious folks. Yes, the zealots are nuts - just as left wing zealots are (remember, Jessie Jackson called NYC "hymietown") - but most religious folks I know aren't nutty crazy super-conservative lunatics like posts like the one above almost equally offends.

Liberalism is about recognizing diversity, even amongst the oppostion!

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Originally Posted by joeboz

Sports is the last bastion of ultra-machismo. Comments like "faggot" happen at every game, between fans and players as well as players and players.

No amount of education will ever change the thought process within sports like hockey, football, soccer or basketball (especially after the reactions of players after the Amechi book).

However, it is a person's right to not want to be for gay marriage as much as it is a person's right to be for it. At least Coach Dungy has made his thoughts on the issue known. While I don't agree with him, he is being active. Tony Dungy is a very devout Christian and within the teachings of Christianity, gay marriage is forbidden. He is only supporting what he believes to be within his faith. Just because someone is against gay marriage does not make him against gay rights.

Coach Dungy, like a lot of Christians, may not agree with the actions (being gay) but that doesn't mean that he hates gay people.

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I'm a Christian myself (admittedly not a good one) and I have NO PROBLEM with allowing gay marriage or gay rights. First of all, it's a human rights issue, then a civil rights issue, and I personally believe that gay marriages are no more of a threat to heterosexual marriages than gay couples are to hetero couples, or gay people are to hetero people.

In this and other matters, I believe "live and let live" as long as you're not hurting me or anyone else, or coercing others, or bringing children into it. What others do is between themselves and the Lord.