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So...what's your opinion on the Patriot Act?Quote:
Originally Posted by TFan
What's that you said? Nothing? I thought so...
What's more, I don't see how preventing people from smoking in cars when children are present is a major intrusion, nor do I think that providing nurtitional information and a handful of healthful choices at a restaurant is an invasion of the restauranteur's intrinsic rights.
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Originally Posted by LG
The patriot act is great! I love the patriot act!
Uhhh.... is there a point to your question?
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Originally Posted by TFan
"The patriot act is great."
Democrats and conservatives, liberals AND republicans agree that the Patriot act is riddled with flaws, as is any act of congress which is rushed through with few if any compromises and little or no debate. And in hindsight whole areas of the patriot act have put law enforcement officials in gray areas where the constitutionality of their acts could be called in question---that's never a good situation for law enforcement (in a society based on the rule of law that is--in totalitarian societies it is part for the course).
But your distillation of the situation is: "The Patriot Act is Great," revealing a shallow thought process and/or a lazy intellectual approach to a difficult question.
But I guess that's par for the course judging by your typical slapdash contributions on this forum.
Name one political prisoner in the US. Name one person who was jailed for his ideas.
Well he has some truth.
Here are some things liberal minded folk here need to get under their bbrow.
In the UK in opublic schools, the nanny-state has decided that teaching about the holocaust is forbidden because it OFFENDS the muslimmpopulation. Speaking about the liberation of Jerusalem from Sal'A'Din is alos forbidden. Why is that important? Well 60% of the muslimmpopulation WANTS a relgious theocracy in the UK. What does that means here? Like the Eu follows us so we too follow the EU, the liberal kabal in this nation is so intent on believing Islam is a peaceful religion when nothung could be further from the truth. Mosat of my family comes from Kyrgyzstan, an Islamic Republic. Believe me Islam is not peaceful or liberating in any way at all.
Under Sha'ria law, homosexuals are out to deatth, without trial or mercy.
I'll say that one more time. Homosexuals are executed immediatly. Under Sha'Ria law. Sha'Ria law is the most widely practiced and accepted form of governmentla ISlam world-wide.
WOMEN under this law are property. If they disobey you, then beatings and death are completely legal.
So keep marching to the beat of the leftist drum and soon we too will not only have a nanny-state, but one that has Islam as it's head. Then you, me and everyonme else that is a free-thinker and has alternative lifestyles will be hunted down.
But Islam is 'peaceful'.......
No one has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by guyone
Anyone that says so is a complete liar and one that has never been outside this nation at all.
And are probablly one of the 'hate america' crowd.
Welcome enlightened soul.
Enlightened? Not really, I'm just able to think for myself. Most liberals and for that matter far right 'thinkers' rely too much on mantras and robotic dogma instead of thought itself. This is why our nation is in the position it is right now. No moderates like myself are left. Only extremes exist. Infact the demise of our nation will be a direct result of extremist leftist views or (however highly unlikely) extremist right. The leftist have taken over all forms of public and higher education, this was a qeue taken from the UK model back in the 50's and 60's. Our nation is now embroiled in a struggle between lestist who wish to indoctrinate our youth, (which if you have been to ANY college campus, you can see it is higly effective.)and those who are not willing to be TOLD what to think by mother gov't . Liberals really want to remove all freedom of thought that is counter-culture to the leftist agenda. Infact extremist leftarded philosphies are called 'MAINSTREAM' to villify anyone and mis-characterize anyone who dares think for themselves and not simply swallow the leftist tripe spewed out of the mouths of leftist activist masquerading themselves as teachers or professors.I as a child HAD to visit the soviet union to see family members. I saw the same type of indcotrination and brain-washing techniques used there by the educational apparatus as I now see in our nation.
We are doomed if these extremists are simply allowed to dictate the belief of our youth instead if simply teaching them a subject objectively.The funny thing is leftists are their own worst enemy. All they do is mouth mantras and allow for the emergence of even more extrmeist and violent philopshies to inundate society..say Islam for example. And in the end the installment of their fuzzy little feel-good progressive bullshit would result in their demise at the hands of the very people they think are 'progressive'.
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Democrats and conservatives, liberals AND republicans agree that the Patriot act is riddled with flaws, as is any act of congress which is rushed through with few if any compromises and little or no debate. And in hindsight whole areas of the patriot act have put law enforcement officials in gray areas where the constitutionality of their acts could be called in question---that's never a good situation for law enforcement (in a society based on the rule of law that is--in totalitarian societies it is part for the course).
Excuse me but have you ever READ any part of the PA? Even an objective summary?
It is completely constitutional for one and secondly the objections you are talking about are called speculations. What I mean by this is the Dems who are merly against this for political reasons, SPECULATE that the propensity for the PA to be used illegally exists. HOWEVER what CNN and the media refuse to tell you as well as dems and rep's is that ANY law or ACT can be misused, therefore all acts laws and otherwise are as un-constitutional as the PA.
so check mate.
And one more thing, if you think we live in a tyranny right now just wait until the total islamafication of our nation does occur under the leftist or 'progressive' kabal. You, me and most people here would be hunted down and extermintated.
THAT is a tyranny.
Glad your here. being in independent here is hard. In the year ive lurked ive noticed independents get pushed into one groop fast. the left isnt blameless but the right is much worse here. They attack anyone who shows independent thought that differs from Bush administration on anything calling them communists. good luck being independent. There are only few of us here.Quote:
Originally Posted by XPBMX
sorry for my bad english its not my frist language.