57% Now Believe Dems Have Zero Plan (Ipsos-AP)

WMC and guy one:

So long as we're namechecking famous politicians and political families, I will add a few:

The duPonts, who set up the famous manufacturing firm had two candidates for the Republican nomination for President. Then there have been the Lodges and Cabots who have produced US ambassadors and Republican senators galore. They were regarded as the cream of Boston's elite. And now we have the Bush family.

Then again, some "elite" families have not been politcally fixed. True, the Kennedys are famous Democrats but Maria Shriver is not a Democrat. The Roosevelts have had famous Democrats and famous Republicans. That is why it is difficult to draw the line.

But if you look at the voters, the truly wealthy seem to prefer the Republicans whereas the disadvantaged are mostly liberal. That was the jist of my point which you did not fathom. In any case why generalise? There are rich republicans and rich democrats, are there not? Equally there are good and bad liberals just as there are good and bad conservatives. The point though is that recent bad conservative policies have done a huge amount of damage.

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You believe in abortion? Why aren`t you out there killing babies ?

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There is no such thing as believing in abortion, because abortion is not a religion or an idea. What you mean is that I "support" abortion, right?

The answer is yes, in certain circumstances. So why am I not out there killing babies? Becuase you're asking a crap question. Becuase that's not the point of abortions. Abortion is not "killing babies". Abortion is about a woman's right to choose (provided, I believe, the embryo is not developed) and not something that men, who aren't the ones who carry and have to nurture babies, can decide.

And who told you that I approved of Clinton's bombardment of former Yugoslavia? However, the circumstances were different (there was a civil war on and the US had NATO's backing), the bombings helped to end the trouble eventually (although lives were lost) and now there is peace. Also, Yugoslavia never felt so much like a business operation as Iraq did.

Here's a thought though: If the US government knew that Saddam actually had WMDs d'you think they'd attack him? Hell, no. That is why, despite the huffing and puffing, the US will never attack North Korea. That is why they're trying to stop Iran before it develops nuclear weapons becuase if they don't, there will always be a risk of Iran deploying WMDs if the US continues its military presence in the region.

Clinton was no saint. But nobody was as bad as this current government of yours. And the few billion people around the world who believe this can't all be wrong.

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WMC and guy one:


But if you look at the voters, the truly wealthy seem to prefer the Republicans whereas the disadvantaged are mostly liberal. That was the jist of my point which you did not fathom. In any case why generalise? There are rich republicans and rich democrats, are there not? Equally there are good and bad liberals just as there are good and bad conservatives. The point though is that recent bad conservative policies have done a huge amount of damage.

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You believe in abortion? Why aren`t you out there killing babies ?

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There is no such thing as believing in abortion, because abortion is not a religion or an idea. What you mean is that I "support" abortion, right?

The answer is yes, in certain circumstances. So why am I not out there killing babies? Becuase you're asking a crap question. Becuase that's not the point of abortions. Abortion is not "killing babies". Abortion is about a woman's right to choose (provided, I believe, the embryo is not developed) and not something that men, who aren't the ones who carry and have to nurture babies, can decide.

And who told you that I approved of Clinton's bombardment of former Yugoslavia? However, the circumstances were different (there was a civil war on and the US had NATO's backing), the bombings helped to end the trouble eventually (although lives were lost) and now there is peace. Also, Yugoslavia never felt so much like a business operation as Iraq did.

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The US has a coalition in Iraq.

Since you don`t believe in the division of labour,and if you believe in abortion, shouldn`t you should be out there peircing the skull of babies,opening it`s head and sucking it`s brains out with a wet/dry vac?

It`s not human? Hypothetical, if your mother considered you not human, decided to have your brains vacuumed out and you could have a veto power vote,would you say , "ok sure suck my brains out and kill me" ?Also,where would you be now if subjected to a brain vacuum or abortion?

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Also,where would you be now if subjected to a brain vacuum or abortion?

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One would imagine that he hopes it would turn out better for him than it did for you... :P

*smirk*

LMFAO......

-Quinn

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Also,where would you be now if subjected to a brain vacuum or abortion?

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One would imagine that he hopes it would turn out better for him than it did for you... :P

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I know,you`re just upset that your socialist pal Pelosi is stumbling about like a political drunkard,all the while you thought she was going to be your saviour. And your Code-Pink boy Murtha !? :P That unidicted so-conspirator is so corrupt the dems already turned on him ! :P

Leaves a sour taste in your mouth huh?

Not exactly.That sour taste is my load of spunk you just drank after being power-fucked and pasted yet again ! :lol:

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Not exactly.That sour taste is my load of spunk you just drank after being power-fucked and pasted yet again !

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Is it just me, or does our shrillest right-wing closet-case sound gayer than J. Edgar Hoover's diary? :roll: :lol:

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Not exactly.That sour taste is my load of spunk you just drank after being power-fucked and pasted yet again !

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Is it just me, or does our shrillest right-wing closet-case sound gayer than J. Edgar Hoover's diary?

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It`s you :P

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The US has a coalition in Iraq.

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And I say:
Bollocks with your coalition. The coalition of the willing should be renamed the coalition of the coerced. Most nations did not even offer any military power to your coalition. Of the total troops, the US and UK provided over 90%.

And most of your coalition buddies have either withdrawn by now or are planning to do so soon. So don't talk to me about a coalition. I got your coalition right here in my crotch.

As for the rest of your post WMC, it does not even merit an answer.

Americans have more confidence in Democrats than Bush

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Americans have more confidence in Democrats than President Bush on a wide range of domestic and foreign policy issues, as the minority party prepares to move into the congressional majority next year, a new CNN poll shows.

The poll comes as Democrats begin to outline their goals and policy agenda for the 110th Congress. While Democrats enjoy comfortable leads on issues ranging from Social Security and Iraq, Bush has a 46 percent to 45 percent edge on the issue of terrorism.

The poll also showed that Americans believe former President George Bush was a better president than his son, current President George Bush.

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/po...ker/index.html

I have to tell in this case "chef" Mike is right they did lose as a direct result to lack of leadership in the middle east conflict but and there is a but the Dems have not verbalized a clear plan. If they are not careful they will also lose the presidential bid. you don't win elections by only stating what the other party or candidate does wrong. You must come up with a clear concise plan. I hope soon i wouldn't mind to move back home sometime before i die lol