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09-10-2006
blahblahblah

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Originally Posted by seanchai

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Originally Posted by McManaman

Oh, no! I've got a much better idea:

Just continue to download free porn clips from the Internet, and all
that money that you are patriotically supposed to put back in the
"industry", please put it in Unicef instead. Think of all the hungry
children on this globe.

Amen.

Maybe you should stop having idiotic ideas.
If you'd bothered to check my website at http://www.grooby.com you'd see the charities which we support with budgets from the money that PAYING SUBSCRIBERS send in. UNICEF which I like a lot is not one of them. Instead I choose to give money to:
ASACP - Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection.
ICRC - International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement.
Amnesty International.
Doctors Without Borders.
ECPAT (elimination of child sex trafficking).
The Initiative Against Sexual Trafficking.

Get off your high horse and take a look at those sites from grooby.com.

There wouldn't be any free stuff to download if their weren't people who were paying for this content and helping keep the industry alive.

...and you're doing what exactly to help the "starving children"?
seanchai

hehe..

Sure. You probably added it to your site after my
post or something :-)

Ok, let's slightly modify my statement and say it in this way:

Just continue to download free porn clips from the Internet, and all
that money that you are patriotically supposed to put back in the
"industry", please put it in Unicef instead. Think of all the hungry
children on this globe. Your money, ALONG with the money from Senchi's dirty budget would contribute alot.....How about that? Is that better?

My horses will always be high..
09-10-2006
Avenged01

I agree that is is damaging to the industry but I am currently back home with my parents at the moment so I cant just order DVD's through the post incase the wrong person accidently opens it!!

Also I don't have a credit card so I cant order stuff online.

Therefore I have to illegally download my porn at the moment.
09-10-2006
tgirlkaren

As has been said by Seanchia, we are never going to stop the free downloads out there, as models and webmasters we post free pics for promo anyway, but! it does piss me off when I see full sets of my member only pics posted on other websites, wouldn't be so bad if there was a link back to my site, Ok thankfully this does not happen very often.

So guys download the free stuff , but DO SUPPORT the models who have their own websites and webmasters like Seanchia who bring you the big collections, become a member of our sites once in a while.

Karen
xx

www.alisonfaraday.com New website live next week!
09-10-2006
timxxx

Like with the argument about the illegal download of music & movies, it's based on the simplistic falsehood, that if people were not illegal downloading they would be supporting the 'industry' by paying for the stuff they download. In my experice with me & my friends those of us that download the most music & movies, also BUY the most movies & music. As with a lot males l suffer from the affliction
described by Nick Hornby in his novel High Fidelity, to collect things. Therefore l have a large music, porn, games, comics & films collection (sad l know & l do have girlfriend)

I'd ague that free & illegal downloads help the industry, I used to check the free content (l don't join pay websites, l prefer my porn on DVD) on shemaleyum before they started censor it.
That helped fuelled my obsession (I’m a member HA) for Tgirls.And I’d go out & buy DVD’s. In the last five weeks this site(HA) was been directly responable for me buying two DVD’s(Buddy wood's Shemale School Girls & Wendy's wild shemale #4, I wanted to see Janira a girl that posted her picture)I’m not going to wait for someone to maybe upload it to a torrent site. In fact I don't download stuff l know I’m going to buy.

I agree with Seanchai that we should put money back in the 'industry' but not out guilt to an that 'industry' sometimes treats customs as suckers or mugs with crap content. If your DVD’s or websites are good & reasonable price enough people will pay.

p.s Could someone in the ‘industry' explain to me why a DVD that maybe cost $50,000 to make & market still cost more than a Lord Of The Rings DVD to buy.
09-10-2006
BeardedOne

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p.s Could someone in the ‘industry' explain to me why a DVD that maybe cost $50,000 to make & market still cost more than a Lord Of The Rings DVD to buy.

That's basic suppy side economics. If you produce a kazillion of something and distrbute it through a bazillion outlets, it naturally costs less per piece because it is making more per volume of sales.

OTOH, if you only produce a few thousand (Or hundred) of an item and it is only salable through a handful of outlets, then it will naturally cost more at the retail level.

The Wizard of Speed and Time cost $1mil to produce and distribute, but the viddie was $99 retail. At the same time, Batman cost something on the order of $30mil and the viddie cost $19.95 (Or less, on special). The one had minimal distribution of a small number of copies (I think it was only enough to recoup the production costs, which they failed to do) while the other flooded the shelves of viddie stores, Wally Mart, malls, etc.

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I'd ague that free & illegal downloads help the industry, I used to check the free content

That's why some of the producers wisely allow limited (Emphasis on the 'limited') posting of images from their sites so long as the images and branding aren't modified. Whenever I got a nice image that tweaked my interest I could see the site brand in the corner and would go and check it out. This lead to the occasional site membership or viddie purchase. When I was selling comic books at shows I had a pretty lax policy as regards browsers at the booth (While other dealers would chase people away if they lingered too long) and even gave away the occasional issue if someone looked like they were undecided on a purchase of one of the bigger sets. Nine out of ten times these people did buy something and many became regular customers. I'm sure they're still reading 'free' comics at their local newsstands to this day, but I know how many books they also bought.
09-10-2006
GroobySteven

Quote:

Originally Posted by McManaman

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanchai

Quote:

Originally Posted by McManaman

Oh, no! I've got a much better idea:

Just continue to download free porn clips from the Internet, and all
that money that you are patriotically supposed to put back in the
"industry", please put it in Unicef instead. Think of all the hungry
children on this globe.

Amen.

Maybe you should stop having idiotic ideas.
If you'd bothered to check my website at http://www.grooby.com you'd see the charities which we support with budgets from the money that PAYING SUBSCRIBERS send in. UNICEF which I like a lot is not one of them. Instead I choose to give money to:
ASACP - Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection.
ICRC - International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement.
Amnesty International.
Doctors Without Borders.
ECPAT (elimination of child sex trafficking).
The Initiative Against Sexual Trafficking.

Get off your high horse and take a look at those sites from grooby.com.

There wouldn't be any free stuff to download if their weren't people who were paying for this content and helping keep the industry alive.

...and you're doing what exactly to help the "starving children"?
seanchai

hehe..

Sure. You probably added it to your site after my
post or something :-)

Ok, let's slightly modify my statement and say it in this way:

Just continue to download free porn clips from the Internet, and all
that money that you are patriotically supposed to put back in the
"industry", please put it in Unicef instead. Think of all the hungry
children on this globe. Your money, ALONG with the money from Senchi's dirty budget would contribute alot.....How about that? Is that better?

My horses will always be high..

No it's still a retarded post which doesn't make any sense. Why don't you stop buying cable TV and give it all to charity, why don't you stop buying beer and give it all to charity, etc?
"I probably added it after your post" - don't tar me with the same brush as yourself and what you may do. A pretty low post and thing to say, as I stated, you do what to help the "starving children"? Don't bother to answer, it's moot.
seanchai
09-10-2006
GroobySteven

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Originally Posted by timxxx

Like with the argument about the illegal download of music & movies, it's based on the simplistic falsehood, that if people were not illegal downloading they would be supporting the 'industry' by paying for the stuff they download. In my experice with me & my friends those of us that download the most music & movies, also BUY the most movies & music. As with a lot males l suffer from the affliction
described by Nick Hornby in his novel High Fidelity, to collect things. Therefore l have a large music, porn, games, comics & films collection (sad l know & l do have girlfriend)

I'd ague that free & illegal downloads help the industry, I used to check the free content (l don't join pay websites, l prefer my porn on DVD) on shemaleyum before they started censor it.
That helped fuelled my obsession (I’m a member HA) for Tgirls.

I agree with that and it's the reason we release a lot of our content for promotion on websites like this and elsewhere which is pretty much what I stated. However, when somebody steals complete sets in order to make money, or posts them on websites that make money indirectly, then it is harmful to the industry as those sites aren't the producers so the money doesn't get back into the industry, the models or the photographers.

Why does a product which costs $50k cost more than "Lord of the Rings"? I think"bearded one" answered this fully but let me give you some numbers for the adult industry.
When all is said and done, a release like Buddy Wood's DVD costs about $17k to get out in the stores. That includes model fees, design and production of the DVD/cover but not advertising.
If a title sells through our distributor they take 30% - and often the wholesale price is $12-$15 depending on how many the retailer takes. So from that sell we only get $8-$10 a piece. This is why we try and push through http://www.shemale-video-direct.com at $24.99 as it's our own company and direct sale and through http://www.groobyvod.com.

We're not selling $100,000's of an item, it takes up to a year for a title to break even. There simply isn't enough DVD buyers of an already flooded adult market out there. A couple of years ago I was getting taken around Evil Angel's office and the manager there Jeff give me some numbers of Joey Silvera's releases ... over a lifetime of a Silvera shemale DVD they only sell numbers in the low tens of thousands - worldwide. I had no idea it would be so low and expected in to the 100,000's range.
So charging $24.99 is a matter of economics. If we sold 100,000 of the title in the first year of release, we could charge $3 a release and happily make a profit.
seanchai
09-10-2006
blahblahblah

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanchai

No it's still a retarded post which doesn't make any sense. Why don't you stop buying cable TV and give it all to charity, why don't you stop buying beer and give it all to charity, etc?
"I probably added it after your post" - don't tar me with the same brush as yourself and what you may do. A pretty low post and thing to say, as I stated, you do what to help the "starving children"? Don't bother to answer, it's moot.
seanchai

Take it easy, boy!

Having cable TV is a normal thing that belongs to civilised people. It's an important
source of information. But, on the other side, if you subscribe on a porn site, that
is a sign that there's something wrong with you. Besides that, it's pretty much stupid
and unneccessary nowadays, considering the amount of free sources that provide pornographic
material that is not even ilegal. More than enough for a normal human being, right?

My charity: Well, approximately $100 each month that goes somewhere to a child placed in
south america, and about as much to an african child in Darfur. I could of course subscribe
to some porn for that money, but it feels wrong to do that. Why should i make a jerk as you
more rich? It's much better to give a pure child some food, clothes and possibility to go to
school instead.

BR
09-10-2006
GroobySteven

Quote:

Originally Posted by McManaman

Having cable TV is a normal thing that belongs to civilised people. It's an important
source of information.

You can get all the same information on the internet for free and the BBC/CNN news is available free also - buying cable you're paying for pure entertainment, the same as an adult site.

Quote:

Originally Posted by McManaman

But, on the other side, if you subscribe on a porn site, that
is a sign that there's something wrong with you.

Huh? That's a pretty broad statement - most of the people who are on this site have probably subscribed to some adult site, what is wrong with them?

Quote:

Originally Posted by McManaman

Besides that, it's pretty much stupid
and unneccessary nowadays, considering the amount of free sources that provide pornographic
material that is not even ilegal. More than enough for a normal human being, right?

Obviously not as many people happily pay for site memberships.

Quote:

Originally Posted by McManaman

My charity: Well, approximately $100 each month that goes somewhere to a child placed in
south america, and about as much to an african child in Darfur.

Jolly good, I'm sure your mighty happy with yourself as am I - however, if you spend any money on personal entertainment then by your pre-stated values you should stop and start helping another "starving child".

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Originally Posted by McManaman

I could of course subscribe
to some porn for that money, but it feels wrong to do that. Why should i make a jerk as you more rich?

Oh ok. So scrap everything you've previously said - it's not that you want to give your money to charity or think people are wrong for joining adult sites or even that news isn't for free. It's that you think I'm a jerk and you have jealousy issues about my lifestyle. That's fine, why didnt you come out and say that originally instead of making ridiculous comments and claims. So don't join my websites if you think I'm a jerk, I wouldn't pay money to a company I didn't believe provided good service either and had personal issues with the owner (although jealousy would never come into it). Please however, don't clump all website owners into the same "jerk" category as you would I, Allanah Starr, Jennifer English, Krissy, Sexy Jade, Joanna Jet, Vicki Richter, etc - there are many really nice website owners out there and they're not ALL jerks so if you can get over you inferiority complex you might want to join one of their sites and contribute back into an industry you obviously enjoy.

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Originally Posted by McManaman

It's much better to give a pure child some food, clothes and possibility to go to
school instead.

I agree but unless your going to become a monk or devote every penny that you'd normally spend on something entertaining, something that pleasures you or something you simply enjoy but isn't necessary, then you are a hypocrit, as you've already shown.
You should also leave this site, it makes money from my company and helps my company make money, just by you being here is helping us both.
Take it easy, son - think before you speak, it will serve you well.

seanchai
09-11-2006
big_a

Where the fuck did the idea of giving money to charity come from? All I wanted to know was if downloading tgirl porn off torrent sites and rapishare was hurting the industry and it looks as though this thread has gotten out of hand. I know forums are for people to voice their own opinion but this is stupid. Hey, without seanchai you'd not have half the models that post threads here. No allanah, No joanna Jet, No danielle foxxx, none of them.... (I'm using this star's names as a reference point, perhaps he never found any of them :))

I really ort to ask for this thread to be killed. I like discussion, but petty arguing isn't what I wanted.

On a personal note: seanchai, I buy your produces cos of there quailty. I've looked at shemaleyum for the past 9 yrs, ever since it started, and I can't fault the fantastic people that you've got working for you, the fresh faced models your guys keep find wk after wk. oh yeah and the fact that grooby is run by an ENGLISH BLOKE TOO:lol:. Lad, I'll keep buying your films and looking at your site no matter what

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