Re: "Stand your ground" situation in FL
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Originally Posted by
bobvela
There is your first mistake... reading a single article.
A fact? Says who/what? Another single, possibly inaccurate article?
So from what you are saying... it sounds like you think Mr Martin was running (for his life) and Mr Zimmerman caught up and then the physical confrontation occurred?
What if...
Mr Martin doubled back?
I'll tell you a little secrets... you have few facts... neither do I... only two people know exactly what happened that night and one of them is dead... however with a little logic and research one can begin to piece together what happened and arrive at a plausible scenario... something you (and several here) have refused to do.
its actually on police record look it up... and many witness account.
Re: "Stand your ground" situation in FL
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Originally Posted by
EvonRose
its actually on police record look it up... and many witness account.
What is? Which part of the record? Which witness account?
You will please note that I have linked to multiple sources (both this evening and previously)... and yet here you've linked to what? oh yes... butkus useful or relevant information.
I could be wrong... but it does look like you are making stuff up (again).
Re: "Stand your ground" situation in FL
actually tHEY FOUND THAT MARTIN HAD BRUISES ON AT LEAST ONE KNUCLE but TRAYVON MARTIN HAD A RIGHT TO DEFEND HISSELF.
Girlfriend: Trayvon Martin was followed
WPLG/CNN|Added on March 21, 2012
Trayvon's girlfriend: the neighborhood watch captain accused of shooting Martin was following him, might have pushed him.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...phone.wplg-cnn
zimmerman charges pdf
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/im...an.charges.pdf
zimmerman got out of vehicle with a loaded 9mm pistol
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1528268.html
FACT IN EVIDENCE SAYS THAT ZIMMERMAN STARTED THE CONFRONTATION
"zimmerman got out of his vehicle with a loaded 9mm pistol and pursued/stalked Travon Martin a minor who was doing nothing illegal and WHO WAS RUNNING AWAY FROM ZIMMERMAN"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47453164...mes/?gt1=43001
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Originally Posted by
bobvela
Um... yes you did, you made a statement which you claimed as fact:
there as absolutely no proof on trayvons body of him hitting Zimmerman
If that isn't making something up... then what is it?
Riiiight... because the average resident of Florida knows that it's a 'stand your ground' state and that concealed weapons permit isn't hard to acquire... and that there is a 57% chance (see, other people can make things up as well) that a person you encounter on the street is packing at the time.
More so... what makes you think that if you were in a similar situation that you wouldn't attack because they might have a gun?
Didn't stop
these two morons from trying to rob a place... and got shot for their trouble.
The sad thing... is the stats are on the sides of the robbers... most victims (or near by witnesses) are unarmed and unable to respond... the robbers know this and
play their luck.
fire fighter pulls a zimmerman over loud music;
Firefighter Shoots, Kills Neighbor Over Loud Music - YouTube
Texas man gets 40 years in stand-your-ground case
HOUSTON -- Retired Texas firefighter Raul Rodriguez, armed with a handgun and video camera, had claimed he was standing his ground and had no choice but to use deadly force when he fatally shot his unarmed neighbor after confronting him about a noisy party.
A jury decided otherwise Wednesday, sentencing Rodriguez to 40 years in prison for killing the neighbor, Kelly Danaher, a 36-year-old elementary school teacher. Prosecutors said they are hopeful the punishment will stop others from settling matters with violence and trying to use Texas' version of a stand-your-ground law as a defense.
"I think it sends a clear message that this was not a case of stand-your-ground," said prosecutor Kelli Johnson. "And I think from his behavior, his intent, the provocation ... shows that this had ... nothing to do with self-defense."
Rodriguez, who faced up to life in prison for the 2010 killing, will be eligible for parole in 20 years. Jurors deliberated about five hours Wednesday before reaching their verdict. The same jury convicted him of murder on June 13.
His reference to standing his ground was similar to the claim made by George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer who is citing Florida's stand-your-ground law in his defense in the fatal February shooting of an unarmed teenager, Trayvon Martin. Rodriguez's case, however, was decided under a different kind of self-defense doctrine.
During closing arguments earlier Wednesday in the trial's punishment phase, Johnson referenced Zimmerman but told jurors that case was different from what Rodriguez was convicted of doing.
In a 22-minute video he recorded that night, Rodriguez can be heard telling a police dispatcher "my life is in danger now" and "these people are going to go try and kill me." He then said, "I'm standing my ground here," and fatally shot Danaher and wounded the other two men.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/2...#storylink=cpy
Jerome Ersland Gets Life for Gunning Down 16-Year-Old Drug Store Robber
On today's episode of Great Moral Dilemmas of the Day, we bring you the perplexing case of a vigilante pharmacist. The year was 2009, and Jerome Ersland was working at Reliable Pharmacy, the store he owned in Oklahoma City. It would not be a good day...
Two armed punks came in and tried to rob the store. Ersland, not a druggist to be trifled with, pulled out a gun and shot 16-year-old Antwun Parker in the head.
Video of the incident shows the second mope fleeing. Ersland follows him out of the store, but the bad guy is already gone.
It would seem an open and shut case of self-defense -- until security cameras depict what happened next.
Erland returned to the store and could be seen digging for something behind the counter. Then he retrieved another gun and methodically moved toward Parker, who was laying wounded on the floor. Just to make sure Parker lost his interest in robbery, Ersland pumped him full of five more bullets, killing him.
In Oklahoma City, he was hailed as a hero for taking out a bad guy. Parker's accomplices, Anthony Morrison and Emanuel Mitchell, were subsequently convicted of first-degree murder in the death of their friend, plus conspiracy for organizing the heist.
But jurors didn't seem so enthralled with Ersland once they learned the full breadth of the incident. In court, his defense was hoping to shoot for a manslaughter charge. The jury decided instead to convict him of murder.
He won't be sentenced till July 11, but he faces the possibility of life with parole.
So what do you think, dearest reader? Was this a case of a man simply protecting himself and his employees? Or was this merely a cold-blooded execution disguised as heroism?
SEE VIDEO
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/...life_for_g.php
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
It's amazing how many right wing nuts are on a tranny forum.
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
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Originally Posted by
Silcc69
It's amazing how many right wing nuts are on a tranny forum.
I think its amazing how this has turned in to a liberal vs conservative or right vs left wing thing. It just goes to show how the media and government likes to use these social issues to turn people against each other. I also don't believe that just because you think one way or the other about this situation that it makes you right or left wing.
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
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Originally Posted by
AmyDaly
I think its amazing how this has turned in to a liberal vs conservative or right vs left wing thing. It just goes to show how the media and government likes to use these social issues to turn people against each other. I also don't believe that just because you think one way or the other about this situation that it makes you right or left wing.
Well you know what conservatives think of porn and well transsexuals. Needless if it were up to them this site would've been shutdown.
Re: "Stand your ground" situation in FL
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Originally Posted by
bobvela
What is? Which part of the record? Which witness account?
You will please note that I have linked to multiple sources (both this evening and previously)... and yet here you've linked to what? oh yes... butkus useful or relevant information.
I could be wrong... but it does look like you are making stuff up (again).
Actually I'm not on this one, there were strong sources to say otherwise.... Refer to Natina. I also read it on Wikipedia months ago, But I don't know how accurate that is. I am just saying what I read no need to get nasty.
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
Sources: Wikipedia and Natina
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
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Originally Posted by
AmyDaly
Sources: Wikipedia and Natina
Lol what is your problem? You really are a condescending fat child... No one attacked you sweetie, so whatever you have against me let it go!
Re: "Stand your ground" situation in FL
natina, you too prove what happens when one only reads selective sources but doesn't think for themselves.
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Originally Posted by
natina
actually tHEY FOUND THAT MARTIN HAD BRUISES ON AT LEAST ONE KNUCLE but TRAYVON MARTIN HAD A RIGHT TO DEFEND HISSELF.
No one is saying he had no right to defend himself... however that right (like what Mr Zimmerman also had) does have limits.
During the time that Mr Zimmerman was pursuing Mr Martin... a good argument can be made for Mr Martin's right to defend himself... however if you consider my above link, suggesting that Mr Martin may have doubled back... the moment he turned around and approached Mr Zimmerman... his right to self-defense quickly goes away as he becomes an initiator.
Many like to say about Mr Zimmerman: "he should have stayed in his truck"... however if Mr Martin did double back... then a similar argument can be made: "he should have kept running home".
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Originally Posted by
natina
Present a specifc and quotable transcript or document or withdraw your worthless 'evidence'... doubly so when clicking on the link says "The requested video is not available.
Don't tell me you are using out of date sources?!?!!?
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Originally Posted by
natina
I've read it. What part do you wish to call attention to?
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Originally Posted by
natina
Again... I am looking for specific evidence from you that that happened. Don't just link me to an article, cite a specific FACT from something that said that Mr Zimmerman said "Hey boy, come over here... I think you are breaking the law... and even if you aren't... you're black so I want to shoot you!"
Could/did that happen? Perhaps... only you do not have the facts to support your claim that that unequivocally did happen.
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Originally Posted by
natina
And I get out of my vehicle most days carrying a loaded 38... so what? Both Mr Zimmerman and I have permits to legally carry.
Now... you expand upon your copy and pasted 'argument' by saying that Mr Martin was a minor (irrelevant) who was doing nothing illegal (says you, but at the time he was looking suspicious to Mr Zimmerman (he must be a racist!!!))... and who was running away from Mr Zimmerman.
You will please recall from the 911 transcript that Mr Martin approached Mr Zimmerman’s vehicle... then ran. “Nyeh! Trayvon started it! He approced the racist Zimmerman first!”
Was Mr Martin doing anything illegal? We don't know... but it seems not. Was Mr Zimmerman? With the exception of the second-degree murder charge... it seems not as well.
More so... funny how you ignore a quote in that video which proceeds the one you transcribed:
"Its possible that the defense will be able to use this to indicate that Trayvon Martin was in some ways the aggressor. And if he was the aggressor, then of course their story will be that George Zimmerman was defending himself and which case he would be covered by stand your ground immunity"
Note I’ve ignored the continued copy and paste jobs you added after your initial post as more irrelevance.
