You seem to have your head on straight ,so stop talking to lil miss tranny Hitler,(Ashley)like she's a rational person ....thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by KittyPride
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You seem to have your head on straight ,so stop talking to lil miss tranny Hitler,(Ashley)like she's a rational person ....thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by KittyPride
I knew when i was 3yo honest !! I remember a lot from that time!Quote:
Originally Posted by hefzfavebunii
I am not bragging lol...
Its not something i like to do...just saying it is possible.
You seriously have a problem!Quote:
Originally Posted by hefzfavebunii
"I never said you were gay, I said if a gay man was attracted to you (impossible) then you have to be a gay man yourself...
It is scientifically impossible for a gay man to like women, or the female form.
I transitioned to become a full woman, why would a man need me to be happy?
Good job being defensive by the way, maybe too many people call you gay but I understand it's okay honey you will look like a woman one day.
Men like all kinds of things sexually, who died and left you the expert on what they would never like?
So sit the fuck down you gook, and don't call me honey.
I have never attacked you not he level you think I am... After you told me by your experience that you prefer to be with gay men because straight men have been mean to you I assume they called you gay man or your being defensive maybe because you didn't feel you look like a woman.
Selective reading?
So how do you explain your racist remark?
Your making up things in your head yet you like to call everyone delusional?
Do you not remember calling me delusional first? And I was desperate because I like straight men?
So who attacked who first?
Real transexual know no matter how young they are that they are not men...Quote:
Originally Posted by KittyPride
I can't speak for the tranny wannabe...
In my country srs is free...and almost all tgirls here get it...Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
I know this will make me sound very ugly lol...but im too insecure for it...
I rather be more feminine then my private parts then feel more masculine then my private parts...
Anyway im terribly insecure and when i get jealous of woman i somtimes even comfort myself with the idea that i am different and that i have a cock...lol
I dont want to compete with gg's as a post op and have all the disadvantages of being a TS....(harder to find serious men for a serious relationship)...
I like to remain "special" and "natural", but i may be misguiding myself...anyway it still kind of works for me...
Srs isnt going to solve my genderdysforia...only a magic wand can lol
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Originally Posted by EvonRose
What you said was "If a gay man is attracted to you, then you must be a gay man, you'll look like a woman SOMEDAY."
Thats what you said, and I took offense. I made a racist remark because I felt you attacked me, sorry bout it. It was rude but I felt attacked. I never called you desperate either.
I have no problem being mixed in with the gg's I am comfortable enough to know i can hang with the best of them... I don't care what anyone says... I don't need my cock as validation that I'm special and unique. I am beautiful, artistic, fun, and free with or without srs....Quote:
Originally Posted by KittyPride
Yeah but ashley you said worst things to me than desperate, so it's not fair for you to blame me for starting a fight when you called me so many things you really didn't have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by hefzfavebunii
Like this...
"Bitch you're way off base. If anyone's a gay man here it's you. An open bottom who transitioned to get fucked in the ass because you enjoy the fantasy of being a woman.. haha. You're the biggest moron on this board. I know plenty of gay men who think just like you do. "OOOH if I transition I'll get straight guys to fuck me TEHEHE!!" You're delusional, and an idiot."
Just next time watch what you say because people like me don't take insults, we will fight you back... I don't tolerate disrespect, racist remarks, or attacks... Just calm down a bit, and try to listen to people, I'm not attacking.
Thats great...Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Its not that i feel bad about myself...i love myself and my self worth i find in my soul...not my body...
Its just that i dont feel like a TS
My body and this whole situation will always be different from my feelings and desires...so then if i have to choose i see more advantage for me remaining pre-op....
I also talked to a lot of post op woman...and i am not under the impression that a lot of them are happy...i dont know...
Its a big step and im still too insecure for it
Yeah, I'm trying this "being nice" kick and it's not working. Anyways, you have a right to make your own reality, and I won't judge that. As long as you don't judge mine, deal? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
If your not happy with the dangling, maybe your a good candidate for the cutting... lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by KittyPride
Oh I never judge....Quote:
Originally Posted by hefzfavebunii
But your young like me and we tend to be very emotional trust me, I'm like the queen of emotional here on the forum. I argue a lot and talk shit.
But never use racist remark, because your so pretty for that kind of things, you don't want that. Be smart and classy and cheeky.. lol..
I know a very nice looking feminine TS that has been living like a woman for 15 years and she still doubt about getting srs or not lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
I thought okay...im probably going to be like her...
I have doubt about a lot of things...
Srs i told myself ill do if i have nothing left to loose...still it might be the best thing to ever happen to me...
But how can you be sure?
What if something goes wrong pff
SchawgginQuote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
What if everything goes perfect? Your so worried about it being imperfect you might miss out on a good life... What if one day your srs gets you a job, or an opportunity in life to make lots of money, the perfect husband?Quote:
Originally Posted by KittyPride
Look at the miss universe, you think she would be able to compete if she had her penis? No but now she does and she can compete as a gg... Opportunities and happiness can come with it, you live once so jump off the clift.
Shit my mistake...correction in bold...Quote:
Originally Posted by KittyPride
Pff i need to sleep xxx byeee
I dont think srs will get me a job or husband...i can get that without srs too.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
There are actually really some nice guys out there that treat you like woman despite your genitals...usually...they are 40plus though....but i love older men...i am 33...so im not the youngest anymore either...
That miss universe might be pretty to some...but i personally would feel fake after so much plastic surgery...ffs srs etc...
I dont think she is beautifull coz she is not natural looking
Proportionately, yes. You have squatty legs, Ashley. What can I tell you? You lost some weight, it's true. But there are plenty of photos revealing your gut. So wear your bikini with your gay friends and have fun. But your thighs have a funny shape as well. Your proportions are just odd, if you must know. And if height has anything to do with anything, tell that to Sunny or Jennifer Paris. lol You think being 5 and half feet tall is necessarily fishy? lol That's laughable. I'm just under 6' tall. Elle McPherson is taller.
And if you don't appreciate tattoos, great. You're not very worldly or open to anything new. That's pretty obvious. And god knows you have no appreciation for Asians or Asian culture.
Snd SRS is a foreign concept to you it seems. Not to me. I've always wanted it. I will leave you behind in gay boy land and not think twice. lol
But let me tell you, you obviously do like reading what I say. That's for sure. ;-) But if you want to compare my life to yours, and it weighs heavily on your mind, you're not going to like the truth. In fact, some things are better left alone. ;-) lol But I can see what your story is, since we're going there. And it's an angry and sad one. Something obviously fell through with your family. Because last you told me Mimi was beating you up, no one in Chicago was your friend, and you were moving back to NY state to be with them. What happened? Something bad? I would never be your friend after all of your insanity and lies, but that sounded pretty real. But I guess it fell through. And all the back and forth and crying about Mimi, and now you're not friends. And I know you have your fallings out with Jasmine, but you have your business arrangement.
But you're just odd. Definitely not a satisfied person. I don't hate you, but you do ask give off a LOT of negativity. And you will attract it. I can see the cycle with you is a work in progress. lol
Oh, and you're right. I don't remember insisting that I was a girl when I was 2; my mother and grandmother do. lol And it's true. But Jasmine? How any TS who could do such a 180 of gender extremes, I don't know. The thing is, I know people who know the old Jasmine from Chicago. ;-) Wow. Creepy stories. lol But I wish nothing bad on her either. But that's one person I don't want in my life, just like you; creepy. lol But I had enough respect not to bring her up until now. But do you want me to? lol
But best of luck to you Ashley. I'll keep in mind you're on the edge of my every word. ;-) lol
I'm not sure I'm getting SRS either. It's something I used to want badly. We'll see. But I have a feeling it will happen in about 2 years. I'm gonna start doing the psych testing by next fall, just to see.
Not really? I mean, are you equating contempt with mistrust? I'd imagine by the time dude's get familiar enough to date, any real sense of contempt for men would be gone. Contempt would make transwomen not want to date men in the first place. I'd say there's a genuine mistrust when anybody gets mistreated in relationship after relationship, and it simply becomes assumed that anybody new will resort to the same behaviors exhibited in past relationships. That's a problem dating anyone. It's a little more prolific in trans communities, but I'd figure that's mostly due to the kind of men who end up mistreating transwomen anyway. Vicious cycle shit, ya dig? Bitches like bad dudes, and all that other cliche crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Artificial superiority complex? How else are you going to mentally separate from public misunderstanding? If you can't change someone's confused opinions and you can't walk away, it's way easier just to think you're better than them. Even though it sounds backward, it's more mature than endlessly bickering with dudes.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
It's a porn term. It's like calling an escort a prostitute. It's practically the same thing, but it sounds more insulting. Sadly, half the dudes that refer to transwomen as shemales don't know it's insulting. The other half are purposefully goating. Tripping out on them is easier than determining which one is which and attempting to educate. Then again, this is a porn forum. Do we really need transwomen jumping from thread to thread and explaining why posts are insulting? Fuck that. Shit takes too much time.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Reality check. You've never felt like that? I figure you have and you matured past it by experience. Everybody has fantasies, even if they aren't necessarily sexual. Eventually most of the girls get it, so the issue works itself out.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
We're totally sluts. I'm such a slut, I've been sleeping with the same woman for the last five years. She calls it a serious relationship, but I'm just in it for the boring and predictable sex. lol. Dudes that aren't sluts still get called chasers. That's not the reason dudes get called chasers in the first place. Dudes that just want the dick are chasers. Dudes that can't be seen in public kissing other dudes but have a perma-woody for anything in a dress with a bulge... that's a chaser. Guys who run game like they're interested, but hit&quit, then move on... that's a chaser. Unfortunately, the same term ends up getting applied to just about any dude in any kind of non-favorable situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Maybe, but what's the alternative? "We've been dating for four months, but it's totally okay that you haven't introduced me to anybody you know, honey". That's a bad sign. To any dude in a month-long relationship, hearing "You haven't introduced me to your mother yet!" is also a bad sign. Is that a valid generalization to make about the majority of transwomen? Fuck if I know, I just haven't heard of anything like that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
It's tit for tat, and a little more tit than tat when tempers flare. People eventually realize they're being over-scrutinizing or biased and they mature. If they don't, they end up friendless and alone. Fuck'em.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
http://www.nikki-dupre.com/wp-conten...nigif-LOIS.gif
Damn, Nicole... those are some sweet-ass lens flares.
No lightning bolts, though? Lens flares and lightning bolts are a photoshopper's best friend. lol.
Wow, literally read this entire thread and I learned quite a bit. Kelly Shore, I have always been a long time admirer of your physical body, and never would of imagined before reading your numerous posts that you would possess such insight and intuition about people. I agree with basically everything you've said, you are truly an enlightened individual.
Evon, I've read a lot of what you've said and I have thought long and hard about your particular stances, and this story says it best:
Courting is the step people take before they move on to sleeping with each other. This man wasn't courting you, you were sleeping with him and expecting him to stick around. If you want men to stick around the last thing you should do is sleep with them...Quote:
"I recently dated a guy in Miami who I felt was a chaser, but I gave him the benefit until I started seeing the signs...he never had time to take me out. Only time he had was to see me in my place for sex. And when we did [HAVE SEX] he would leave as oppose to staying with me for the night or courting.
Of course it was unhealthy, but not in the way you believe. It was unhealthy because your expectations for the relationship are unrealistic. I just don't understand how you can be a working girl and be so naive to the true behaviors of men?Quote:
This was very unhealthy and I don't like men like that. I am too good, to be handled so carelessly, and I deserve better, he used me and he lied to me...Straight men don't treat me this way, they take me out for dinner, or wine, or movies... But I never feel comfortable with a chaser...But regardless we risk it giving a guy a chance, and it's the guys chance to prove himself worthy. If not we are the only ones who get hurt by it. So we have to protect that.
This is just a theory, but you can't move past differences until those differences have been acknowledged. You want to be treated like a genetic girl, but guess what? You aren't a genetic girl, and you are never going to be a genetic girl. That wasn't in your cards, that isn't who you are, you might have the emotional frame, the mindset, and even the soul of a woman, but unfortunately you weren't lucky enough to be born into a woman's body. This is your plight, the cross you'll be carrying until you die.
It is the same non-sense as telling black people they are the same as white people. No they aren't, there are anatomical differences, there are cultural differences, different family structures, and different core values inside the communities. Now how are we ever supposed to move past all these differences if nobody wants to bring them up?
Unfortunately psychology is a very young science, and I think a lot of confusion occurs when the normal turbulence of life gets intermingled with the negative internal dialog most people on this board have been experiencing their entire lives. Who here is really open to change, because I still see the gay community ostracizing the transgender community, the transgender community ostracizing their fanbase (non-100% hetero-men), and the rest of the world confused about how to treat all these groups. Hard to look at the big picture though because each individual is trying to simply find acceptance. So after all this, the long spiel, what I was really trying to say Evon, about what your problem is and why you have the attitude you do...you're just lonely.
Why would you...if you can live with the fact that you are build differently...and if you can enjoy it...i would not do it...but im no expert on anyone's feelings or life...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre
Still srs does not change a lot i think....its not like you suddenly stop being a TS...
You change...
From pre op Ts to post op TS.
Nice post Grim!Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimFusion
About the guys not sticking around, alot of girls look ALOT less passable after a guy cums, just the honest truth.
you are a men chaser :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
The difference is that men expects us to be men...but when they find out we are not interested in fucking them...they run...same goes for a lot of men that just dont date us out of prejudice.Quote:
Originally Posted by mathematics1900
I know i can be a great girlfriend...but since the world thinks of TS as MEN instead of woman...you dont get the chance....and when a guy falls for you...and finds out you are a TS...he has to deal with these prejudices also...he has to give up his heterosexual identity to the world...cause we are considered men...that the difference.
I did not have my friends and family say that i am any different from a girl...not even my boyfriend...nor anyone i meet at work or on the streets...
Just the fact that i was born a TS makes me a man to a lot of prejudiced people...and thats the shit we deal with...
Ha ha ha ha ha ha! You best be trollin', sucka. That's fuckin' funny, though in a creepy, disrespectful way I just couldn't imagine myself 'getting behind'.Quote:
Originally Posted by pimpdog
You're funny. lol Really? Oh, wow. I had no idea. I thought they'd install ovaries and a birth canal too, and that I'd menstruate once a month. *smfhQuote:
Originally Posted by KittyPride
No shit, Eartha Kitt. I don't want it to change because I believe my internal plumbing will be changed. I want it purely for cosmetic reasons. If you must know, it's castration that puts me off more than the rest of it. Castration is often what girls say changed their perspective on it the most; that they weren't prepared for it emotionally. I have the tiniest little nuts anyway, but they do seem to still work. lol As Ashley and my ex so tactfully pointed out, "all you trannys have brown dicks, balls, and assholes". And it's somewhat true if you're on hormones. I actually see it in LOTS of photos here. If I remember correctly, Domino and Hazel Tucker have it too.I forget what they call it, but it's from hormones. It's just the pigmentation of the skin. It's nothing a doctor's going to get alarmed over, but I'm not especially fond of it either. So they can jam the whole thing inside me and shape it into a cunt for all I care anyway. lol I think cocks on any chick look fucking GROSS TBH....
(Countdown to some dick-thirsty loser disagreeing with me. lol)
It's not PS. It's Photoscape. I have and use both programs. Photoscape is free and easy to use. I find it practical for quick BS like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimFusion
Good post. Let me just point out, personally, I don't see the grass being very much greener or think that SRS is going to change the important stuff. For example, I never got to go to the prom with a boy. I didn't get my period and tits when all the other girls did in 6th and 7th grade. So yeah. Those missing pieces of the socialization process are the cross that the primary TS bears. But the girls who just want the porn and escort life don't particularly give a shit. Some do, But there are LOTS of secondary TS sex workers. I didn't think so 2 years ago even. But now I do. I see the difference now. It's a real one. Secondary transsexuals think more like hetero crossdressers.Quote:
Originally Posted by mathematics1900
Well believe me... Ive seen girls do it.... get SRS and then claim they are no longer transsexual... to return after years to online community's. I dont know how they do it. Personally I never forget I am TS... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre
I dont know how others can forget a thing like that, lol.
Got myself two tiny nuts too with using androcur. But when I stop using androcur... they still work. I dont like the idea of a knife in that area or any area of my body for that matter lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre
eeeehm eeeehm eeeehmQuote:
Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre
God girl you had me checking myself there for a moment lol
What exactly do you mean?? Can you give an example?
eeew?
You saying I need to bleech my penis ? lol
Well... I have noticed that the skin of my penis has become thinner...but I dont think it changed color. Hmmmzzz...Or maybe so gradually I haven't noticed?
Well, I have to go to WORK NOW; not spend "my inheritance". Pfffttt. Fucking moron.
I have a good life because I earned it. Keep guessing with your photographer "friend", genius. I love it. :) lol
True... missing out on the socialisation was the worst part for me. It still bothers me each day and has resulted that I feel I dont really belong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre
I dont belong with girls (cause I have missed out on a lot of things in life) and I dont belong with boys.
It makes me feel like an outcast... or at the least outsider. And it does hurt me.
I guess I too want to belong.
If I could belong with other Tgirls I'd be happy... but we are so different. I never found a home with them.
I just have 1 good Tgirlfriend... but I like to hang around men... and not talk about girl stuff and TS stuff too much. It depresses me anyway lol.
The most sane transsexuals I know are post-ops who are well aware of being TS. lol I fucking love those bitches too. They're much cooler than 95% of the aimless loser M2Fs here. Trust.Quote:
Originally Posted by KittyPride
I definitely understand the difference you are referring to, however I don't understand your qualms with fucking your boyfriend. Lots of women say to themselves, "I'm going to fuck the shit out of my man tonight." There are lots of people who perform sexual acts for their partners that they don't particularly enjoy or get turned on by, so why do they do it anyways? Oh yeah, because seeing the person you care for pleasured in itself is a turn on. Why are you so bothered by a man wanting you to fuck him, would it be different if you had the surgery and he asked you to fuck him with a strap-on?Quote:
The difference is that men expects us to be men...but when they find out we are not interested in fucking them...they run...same goes for a lot of men that just dont date us out of prejudice.
I know i can be a great girlfriend...but since the world thinks of TS as MEN instead of woman...you dont get the chance....and when a guy falls for you...and finds out you are a TS...he has to deal with these prejudices also...he has to give up his heterosexual identity to the world...cause we are considered men...that the difference.
There are lots of people who hold prejudices in this world, and in my personal opinion sexuality can never be an identity. That is another problem, "heterosexual identity" what does that even mean? Is everything I am, and what my core beliefs are have anything to do with my sexual appetite or tastes? I don't think sexuality has anything to do with identity and if you can begin to separate the two you might find yourself letting more people into your life that you previously thought were unworthy.
I agree completely, multiple distinctions can be made in almost all areas of human personality, behavior, and motivations. It is just easier to stereotype though, as human beings it makes it much simpler to talk about large conceptual ideas when you generalize and stereotype. However most people just forget that this process doesn't apply to everyone, we are all individuals and we all have our own filters and life experiences. I am just curious to when the gay community and transgender community can reconcile and start setting a better example of what it means to be open minded and accepting of others. Otherwise how is anyone ever going to treat the community with respect when we can't even respect each other?Quote:
Good post. Let me just point out, personally, I don't see the grass being very much greener or think that SRS is going to change the important stuff. For example, I never got to go to the prom with a boy. I didn't get my period and tits when all the other girls did in 6th and 7th grade. So yeah. Those missing pieces of the socialization process are the cross that the primary TS bears. But the girls who just want the porn and escort life don't particularly give a shit. Some do, But there are LOTS of secondary TS sex workers. I didn't think so 2 years ago even. But now I do. I see the difference now. It's a real one. Secondary transsexuals think more like hetero crossdressers.
You make me sound like a bad person.Quote:
Originally Posted by mathematics1900
Cant you, just for a little bit... and for a moment... try to put yourself in my position? Do you think Im happy that I was born in a male body? Do you think I need any emotional reassurance that I have been born male?
When I still lived as a boy I never topped and did not let anyone near my penis.
Now that I live as a woman I am more relaxed with it...
Its a giant step for me that I am open to someone (a lover) touching it... and even give me oral sex.... I would let a lover do that if it pleased him.
Im not a bad person. If I love another Im not selfish. Of course I want to please a man. But why cant you respect that some girls who feel like woman just cant do it? I would not be able to stay hard... the idea of having to top just makes me feel sick....It feels very masculine to me... and makes me feel bad about being TS even more.
Its not because im selfish or delusional. Sure... I know there are guys out there that like to receive anal sex. Good for them. But why do you insist on me doing it?? Just because I was born in a body that did not match my soul... does not mean I was born to serve men with a lust for receiving anal sex.
I think it is selfish of a lot of T lovers to think that once we have a cock... they think it feels the same for us... and that we can do the same things with it.
On hormones a cock feels totally different....my whole sexuality has changed a lot! Its not the same.
You are so insensitive to judge us girls the way you do.
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Originally Posted by EvonRose
I don't go against such studies, Evon, but one should also not blindly accept such findings. Experts on human sexuality are after all also known to change their mind on things quite often.
Seeing how beautiful you are, I'm sure you have no difficulty attracting hetero men. I'm also sure that you can have a perfectly fine relationship with such a man on a platonic basis. But a man sexually attracted to you is not just interested in your feminine splendor. He will also want to savour that special treasure between your legs, and that at least to some degree would make him bisexual in my book. Not gay but also not strictly hetero.
Same thing applies of course to women who develop a passion for tgirls.
By the way, some studies have also shown that we are all basically bisexual.
I dont really get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherinefan
A lot of guys here insist they are straight but like to take it up the ass etc...
But when a Tgirl is fucked in the ass it must at least be bisexual lol.
A lot of men want to fuck their GGirlfriend in the ass. Its not necessarily a bisexual thing. To fuck a Tgirl in the ass... might be bisexual. But as long as the men has no interest for cock... and does not touch it etc...and is only interested in anal penetration that comes way closer in my view to being straight...
then a man that insist he only likes woman but wants to be fucked by an actual penis!!!!