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If it truly is police protocol to arrest anyone for any old trumped up charge if they're getting you hot under your collar, then we've a systemic, but easily corrected problem. Remove it from the protocol, train policemen to control their emotions and their egos and train them to diffuse rather than exacerbate tense situations.
Sorry chief...."unfortnate" doesnt show fault....inappropriate" does and like I said...inappropriate was not used. Nice try though.
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Originally Posted by deee757
Actually Trish, you are laugh riot.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Disorderly Conduct/Disturbing the Peace:
A person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally:
(1) engages in fighting or in tumultuous conduct;
(2) makes unreasonable noise and continues to do so after being asked to stop; or
(3) disrupts a lawful assembly of persons;
Police may use a disorderly conduct charge to keep the peace when people are behaving in a disruptive manner to themselves or others, but present no serious public danger. Disorderly conduct is typically classified as a misdemeanor
So yes, they do arrest you when you are "hot under the collar" if you break the law. It doesnt matter if they "had a bad night" as you so put it. If I am having a bad night and you spill a drink on me by accident and I punch you in the face, I am pretty sure that Ill be in court on assault charges...or do I get a get out of jail free card? I was having a bad night right?
Race aside, the cop was there lawfully... asked a lawful directive (properly Idetify yourself) and when the man flipped out.... see definition above, he was arrested.
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Originally Posted by DaveinBoston
Main Entry:
1re·gret Listen to the pronunciation of 1regret
Pronunciation:
\ri-ˈgret\
Function:
verb
Inflected Form(s):
re·gret·ted; re·gret·ting
Etymology:
Middle English regretten, from Anglo-French regreter, from re- + -greter (perhaps of Germanic origin; akin to Old Norse grāta to weep) — more at greet
Date:
14th century
transitive verb1 a: to mourn the loss or death of b: to miss very much2: to be very sorry for <regrets his mistakes>intransitive verb: to experience regret
— re·gret·ter noun
Being sorry/regretful about the situation doesnt admit guilt.
Example: We regret to inform you that Michael Jackson has died.
Is that my fault? Am I guilty of Michael Jacksons death? No... just sorry about the situation.
The article that was quoted in the Sun Times goes on to say:
"This incident should not be viewed as one that demeans the character and reputation of professor Gates or the character of the Cambridge Police Department.
In addition: Go back and read my initial response. I was arguing the word used by someone saying "inappropriate". That was NEVER used.
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Originally Posted by deee757
No what this incident has exposed is that the future of America is cloudy because it is populated by ignorant people who remain segregated in their little groups. Every group has an agenda and acts in a chauvinistic manner that precludes it from ever reaching a civil compromise on anything. It also shows that we lack the ability to distinguish important events from trivial ones. It's sad really. Some melting pot.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbobw2
1) Gates was not engaged in fighting or tumultuous conduct. I know the Crowley sites tumultuous conduct as motivation for the arrest, but apparently Crowley is mistaking speech he doesn't want to hear as tumultuous conduct.
2) Gates was on his porch making reasonable protestations to the officer. Of course "reasonable" is in the ear of the hearer, and in this case Crowley simply didn't want to hear the accusations.
3) Gates did not disrupt an assembly of people. People assemble after the police arrived and Gates did not "disrupt" them.
Now I know you’re joking. You had me going for a while though. Good one.Quote:
Police may use a disorderly conduct charge to keep the peace when people are behaving in a disruptive manner to themselves…
Just so we aren’t always taking antipodal positions let me say, sucka4chix, I happen to agree the melting pot idea that seems sadly to be dead. It’s been replaced by multiculturalism. I’m not a fan of isolation and preservation of tradition simply for the sake of tradition. I think we should question our traditions, share them and change them through social interaction. People need to step out of their mindsets, ghettos, gated communities and home owner’s associations. They need to tune out the particular 24 hours news station that’s designed to appeal to just them. They need to listen (something Crowley didn’t do) and stop automatically accusing people and putting thoughts in their heads (something Gates didn’t do). Both men were acting stupidly. Obama’s line about the Crowley acting stupidly was a stupid remark.
Wow.. this just shows your lack of knowledge when it comes to law and your liberal bias. May be you should move to Cambridge.
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Originally Posted by trish
Dave, you're disrupting yourself again.