Covid-19 Politics

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Originally Posted by blackchubby38

I just submitted all my information for vaccine trials. I'll report back once I hear something.

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An update. This is an email that I received this morning:

Thank you for completing a survey and joining the COVID-19 Prevention Network (CoVPN) Volunteer Screening Registry. We are so thankful for your willingness to consider research to help fight the COVID-19 pandemic.

Can You Help Us?

As you may know, older adults have the most hospitalizations and deaths from COVID-19 of any group in the United States. So far, not many persons older than age 70 have signed up in this registry.

If you know of someone in your life who is older than age 70 and interested in participating in coronavirus prevention research, would you consider passing along our website to them (https://www.PreventCOVID.org/ )? For persons without internet access, or who do not feel comfortable with online forms, they can also call our toll-free registry at 866-CVT-1919 (866-288-1919).

Again, thank you for joining the CoVPN Volunteer Screening Registry. You are making a difference! You may still be contacted by researchers who can tell you more about upcoming studies. If we do not contact you, that means there is no study that we can match you with right now. New studies continue to be planned over the next few months.

Thank you!! We appreciate your help and support.

Speaking of Nancy Pelosi and her petulance.

//www.yahoo.com/news/pelosi-calls-cn-ns-blitzer-an-apologist-for-the-gop-in-heated-exchange-over-stimulus-bill-230555851.html

This is the second time that she has accused a news anchor of being an Republican apologist because someone asked her what the Republicans offered in negotiations. The first time was with Judy Wooddruff from PBS if I'm not mistaken.

I don't see what the problem is with making deal now where you might not getting everything you want and then if Biden wins the election, doing another stimulus deal once he is sworn into office.

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Originally Posted by blackchubby38

Speaking of Nancy Pelosi and her petulance.

//www.yahoo.com/news/pelosi-calls-cn-ns-blitzer-an-apologist-for-the-gop-in-heated-exchange-over-stimulus-bill-230555851.html

This is the second time that she has accused a news anchor of being an Republican apologist because someone asked her what the Republicans offered in negotiations. The first time was with Judy Wooddruff from PBS if I'm not mistaken.

I don't see what the problem is with making deal now where you might not getting everything you want and then if Biden wins the election, doing another stimulus deal once he is sworn into office.

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I watched that interview and Nancy Pelosi very disrespectful and combative towards CNN's Wolf Blitzer,by talking over and accusing him of being a Republican Apologist when all he was trying to do was ask her questions about what the Republicans offered in negotiations for a new stimulus deal, and her petulance was on full display in the interview,and i also don't see what the problem is with making a deal where the Democrats might not be getting everything they want.

An excellent, if depressing overview of the management or mis-management of COVID-19 in the US, some of which can be applied to the UK.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/o...gtype=Homepage

There are some people who think it's unfair to blame Trump for our bad covid outcomes. Yet this country didn't have any inherent disadvantages in dealing with it when it comes to our resources, our geography, and the number of great scientists we have.

It is not just that culturally Americans are resistant to taking measures that protect other people. That message has been boosted by Trump and its impacts magnified by segments of the public who think any sacrifice they are asked to make is an infringement on their liberty. Off the top of my head, here are things I've heard Trump say:
1. Covid is like the flu
2. Covid only kills old people
3. A vaccine will be available in three months (he said this in early March)
4. A vaccine will be available in October (he said this during his debate with Biden in October; there's one day left in the month)
5. Hydroxychloroquine treats covid and randomized controlled trials showing it doesn't are run by Trump-haters
6. Monoclonal antibodies are a cure (the most recent data shows efficacy in early disease and none in hospitalized patients)
7. Masks aren't effective (said as late as October)
8. We're going to open the economy by Easter
9. Disinfectant and uv light inside the body can treat covid
10. Fauci has been wrong about everything (most of the things he's accused of being wrong about are taken out of context)
11. We're rounding the corner and the virus will go away (said recently as daily cases explode to 90,000 a day)
12. When the weather warms up it will disappear on its own.
13. Liberate Michigan (a call for insurrection against very reasonable public health measures at the beginning of the first shutdown)
14. Making fun of his opponent wearing a mask during a debate in which he was probably already sick with covid

The people who don't think he can be blamed for 150,000 deaths must think it's a coincidence that he's saying things that misinform people about the virus, about the trajectory of infections, and about their risk and that we've done a terrible job in containing it. Seems to me that kind of cavalier attitude towards the truth is what endangers people during a pandemic.

The way in which the President and his son are claiming deaths are now so low as to be unremarkable is so stark in its repudiation of the facts, one wonders if they have given up, and are torching the shed before they leave? As for 'rounding the corner', the evidence suggests the USA is going round in circles, or that Covid-19 is running rings around America. Unless, and until those ignorant fools mask up and shut down their space, then Covid-19 will be free to roam. Not the kind of freedom America, or anywhere else wants.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

There are some people who think it's unfair to blame Trump for our bad covid outcomes. Yet this country didn't have any inherent disadvantages in dealing with it when it comes to our resources, our geography, and the number of great scientists we have.

It is not just that culturally Americans are resistant to taking measures that protect other people. That message has been boosted by Trump and its impacts magnified by segments of the public who think any sacrifice they are asked to make is an infringement on their liberty. Off the top of my head, here are things I've heard Trump say:
1. Covid is like the flu
2. Covid only kills old people
3. A vaccine will be available in three months (he said this in early March)
4. A vaccine will be available in October (he said this during his debate with Biden in October; there's one day left in the month)
5. Hydroxychloroquine treats covid and randomized controlled trials showing it doesn't are run by Trump-haters
6. Monoclonal antibodies are a cure (the most recent data shows efficacy in early disease and none in hospitalized patients)
7. Masks aren't effective (said as late as October)
8. We're going to open the economy by Easter
9. Disinfectant and uv light inside the body can treat covid
10. Fauci has been wrong about everything (most of the things he's accused of being wrong about are taken out of context)
11. We're rounding the corner and the virus will go away (said recently as daily cases explode to 90,000 a day)
12. When the weather warms up it will disappear on its own.
13. Liberate Michigan (a call for insurrection against very reasonable public health measures at the beginning of the first shutdown)
14. Making fun of his opponent wearing a mask during a debate in which he was probably already sick with covid

The people who don't think he can be blamed for 150,000 deaths must think it's a coincidence that he's saying things that misinform people about the virus, about the trajectory of infections, and about their risk and that we've done a terrible job in containing it. Seems to me that kind of cavalier attitude towards the truth is what endangers people during a pandemic.

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Donald-D.A.M.N-Trump has been completely wrong on all of those misguided claims he has made over the last 9 months ,and his comments shows that he doesn't believe in science or facts,and doesn't know what the hell he is talking about and is living in an alternative reality. and also shows how uneducated and unhinged he is. and the people who think that he shouldn't be blamed for the 150,000 deaths due his mishandling of the CO-VID 19 Pandemic are delusional and tonedeafed. and agree that kind of cavalier attitude towards the truth is what endangers people during a pandemic.

Meanwhile, in another universe far, far away (perhaps we could call it Sanity World).

The COVID-19 second wave in Melbourne has been brought under control, with no new cases for 10 days now.

Two recent state elections have seen incumbent governments comfortably returned, as also occurred in New Zealand - indicating that voters are prepared to reward politicians would do a competent job of managing the virus, despite the hit to the economy. The Trump-style populists saw a big fall in their vote.

The conservative Prime Minister of Australia has congratulated Joe Biden on his win and invited him to visit next year.

There may be a clash in the US as Mike Pence 'renews' his leadership of the Covid-19 Taskforce later today (Monday) while the Transition Team announce the membership of ther own. In normal times, the Transition Team would be given the money and the office space to organize their own transition, plus any help the outgoing Presidency provides, which at this time of writing is nothing. I am about to link some claims re this in the election thread.

The President complained about 'Covid, Covid, Covid' dominating the news, and said after the 3rd you would not hear about it. Perhaps that is the measure of the man, and that the first reactions of his party to his defeat was led by Rudolph Giuliani in the car park of a garden centre cited next to a sex shop and a cremation centre...

Pfizer, which was not part of Operation Warp Speed, has released early data showing it prevented infection in 90% of people. It will eventually qualify for an emergency use authorization in the U.S. and also be distributed in several other countries. Some say the positive results bode well for other vaccines currently in trials, including Moderna which uses similar technology and is expected to have enough data to release results by the end of this month.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/09/covid-19-vaccine-from-pfizer-and-biontech-is-strongly-effective-early-data-from-large-trial-indicate/