Trump would be an "Extinction-Level Event" for the Planet, Turbocharging Climate Change. Vote Accordingly.
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the chicoms and India produce more pollution the the US, Canada and Europe Combined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
US emissions per capita are still much higher, so China and India could equally say why should we do anything if a rich country like the USA won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paladin
It's a disingenuous argument anyway, because nobody is saying the US should act alone. The whole point is to have an international agreement for all countries to reduce emissions, and that's what Trump wants to pull out of.
Look in the mirror when you make that statement. The US and Europe are the cleanest energy producers in the world. China does not produce anywhere near the energy that the US does yet they have a much higher level of pollution. They IMPORT most of their fuel, and it's not cleanly produced. You are the one being disingenuous .Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
How much of that is due to policies that Republicans opposed and intend to reverse? Any reduction in emissions intensity has been due to increased energy efficiency and moving away from fossil fuels, and the US hasn't gone nearly as far as Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paladin
We're talking about climate change here, and burning fossil fuels produces CO2. There is no such thing as non-polluting oil or coal, regardless of where it comes from.
When you all walk or pedal a bicycle to work and everywhere else and grow all your own food in your yard, then you can complain about CO2.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
Europe paid dearly for their over reliance on non-carbon energy (and their over reliance on natgas from russia) when the ruskies invaded Ukraine.
Are you people even living here in the US? I know stavros is not. If not, please correct your own internal issues before denigrating the US, and if you live in western Europe, go visit a US or WW1 or WW2 cemetery to refresh your memory on what language you would be speaking if it was not for US. If you live in eastern Europe go visit a death camp memorial to see what would have been all over everywhere if not for US.
This is just the end of the last ice age. This rock has gone through many changes in the last 4 billion years and will continue to do so.
Are you saying human beings have had no impact on Planet Earth? None at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by tslvr
The problem is that humans have only existed for tiny fraction of that time, and CO2 levels are already above any seen in that period.Quote:
Originally Posted by tslvr
https://earth.org/data_visualization...istory-of-co2/
Yes, the earth and some forms of life will continue, but that doesn't mean that we will. Many species have become extinct due to climatic changes they were unable to adapt to (eg dinosaurs).
Even if we are able to survive it may be a very difficult existence. In the past people could just move to a cooler environment, but that's going to be almost impossible due to national borders and a far bigger population.
I always find it ironic when 'do nothingers' say that people in future will adjust, even though they are refusing to make any adjustments themselves.
Gasoline is now down 26 cents / gal from last Tuesday. Still too high (and the 110 Octane I need for my DVC is over $10 / gal), but we will get back to 2019 levels soon enough, and that WILL lower prices on Everything that needs to be shipped around the planet.
Europe will now take steps to import US NatGas instead of ruisian exports.