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Originally Posted by SuzySnappz
Me too always money down. If you dont like it then dont setup an appoinment so easy.
So many client dont pay after session. Even sometimes regular clientelle dont pay after so now ive learned my lesson money down first, hide all valuables and screen clientelle
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Originally Posted by nysprod
i usually associate " preference" with an attraction .i associate "prejudice" with a personal grudge/distain towards a racial ethicity for whatever reason.
i think when you see these " no blacks "ads, it's specifically exclusive because of
a personal fear and hate and all the usual stereotypes.
By the way i had few Black clientelle most had been very nice and generous to me. Hope we will have more Black guys in Asia. They have very nice tight asses love fucking them while stroking their huge cocks!!!
You know what makes me sleep comfortably with a clear conscience at night, liberal loony tunes? It is the fact that when I bed someone, it is with an another adult and it is 100% CONSENSUAL.
What is the purpose of this thread? Blacks should get a free pass and sleep with whomever against their wills, just because O'bama is in power???? Is this your version of Utopia?
I got rejected numerous times by women all over the world because I am white (e.g. in the Philippines where the ladies prefer asian customers). I did not come in here , open a thread, and then whined that Asians were anti whites.
Toughen it up, boo.
*Hears name being mentioned yet again*
I get your point however the rejection rate for Black v. White johns by random TS escorts is nowhere near the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by envivision
The next time you see an ad specifying an escort prefers NOT to see White clientele, please post it to this thread.lol
Here's the other side of the coin. Let's say an escort has had a few encounters with White guys that have given her a serial killer or crooked cop vibe. It's happened often enough to establish a pattern that seems fairly consistent. Now she puts "No White Guys" in her ad. The question goes to the Black fellas. Do you really care that she puts "No White Guys" in her ad or are you more concerned that she's going to be a good provider to you?
Just being selfish, I only care IRL if a provider is discriminatory against ME. Not anyone else.
Perfect. I appreciate the honesty too. I could give two shits also. I'm getting a piece of ass, not immersing myself in an ABC After School Special. Too much political correctness in chasing after whores.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
I really don't care because most of the girls who put stuff like that in their ads aren't appealing to me in the first place...
why cause they are clean or because they don't act ghetto enough for you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben in LA
Who the fuck is this asshole?Quote:
Originally Posted by popo
I was turned away at the door of a provider once about a decade ago. Shocked the shit out of me. I started to walk away but I wasn't as much pissed but confused and I was young really young. So I went back and I asked her and she said she was assaulted by a black man.
Anyway I always thought it came down to simple business economic. Black and Spanish providers usually got that little pic up that says I love white boys when they go to cities to encourage people to come out. Likewise white providers that discrimi-hate will phone check and discourage you with prices and won't even visit or tour areas in their mind they have deemed unsafe after they have a bad experience.
Idk it's like bad math if you see 100 people and 10 of them weren't white. 8 were black 1 African and 1 was Indian. Well none of those experiences were the same. And blacks and Africans are completely different. But it takes one bad experience to eliminate anyone with melanin. So spend your dollars elsewhere.
Nope, personal preference...just like the girls.Quote:
Originally Posted by popo
Oh yeah...a few of the most so-called "ghetto" girls I've met are actually some of the cleanest, so that point is moot.
I think a lot of the people who come in here and pretend there's something reasonable about excluding an entire race of people based on a few bad experiences aren't imagining what it would be like to be routinely excluded. The ads that discriminate tend to be directed towards African-Americans. I can't imagine that anyone would be thick-skinned enough to routinely see ads that have a "No Whites, Jews, or Latins allowed" disclaimer and not think it was very unfair.
Of course nobody has to see anyone they don't want to. But there's a difference between not wanting to see an individual because they give you a bad vibe or have bad hygiene and excluding an entire race of people. Thank goodness the middle school dropout envivision has weighed in to tell us that consent is necessary before sex. Nobody is saying people should do anything against their will; only that if someone decides who they will and will not see based only on race they are likely bigoted. Entitled to it, but probably a racist.
If you are white, black, latino, or east asian please don't respond to this post. Southeast Asian, Sephardic Jew, or from Papua New Guinea fine.
OMG! I could relate to this! I remember I got robbed by a white guy before. He got my money around 2000-3000US$ and plan to get my mobile phone, laptop, passport and expensive bag. Luckily I was able to beg him just get all my money just dont get my bag and passport and dont hurt me. His a tall muscular white guy. So after that Im so much depressed and in a trauma hiding in my room. Im so want t cry but I cant because its so much to handle. I feel all people outside will hurt me. So I didnt meet any white guy for a couple of days only Asian guysQuote:
Originally Posted by deepfix
And that is exactly why on some level you can't even be upset when providers use their "self preservation" discretion. Some police departments might entertain that phone call. Depending where you were located. Depending if they didn't have any "party" substances in their room.
I was always conscious of how I looked. I am not a small tiny black guy who makes people laugh lol. However I do sound white on the phone. People call that professional :) So when they open the do it's funny to see their face to this cartwheel of emotion like OMG I THOUGHT HE WAS A WHITE GUY!!! And every time I compliment. Pay up front. Flash a smile. And say some cheesy line like. God are your mirror pants because I can see me in them... You guys get the point.
Ladies, if some White fella calls and says his name is Waingro, hang up.
waingro - YouTube
Thanks to you I'm watching the movie Heat now.;Quote:
Originally Posted by Dino Velvet
I had a 2 week brain fart after Stavros recommended Prisoners then saw him and Prospero hen-pecking each other about the film today which reminded me to go to the Best Buy and purchase it.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
Heat is awesome. I remember seeing it at the massive Century City Plitt Theater back in 1996 on a Tuesday with only like 6 people in there. My dick was getting hard hearing the shell casings hit the cement.
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dino Velvet
Henpecking is a good phrase. I've never heard it...I'll watch Prisoners tomorrow.
Their fierce battles for intellectual dominance don't quite get to the level of a catfight.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
To argue this is kinda mute... just don't see that girl. There are plenty providers that don't care.
I will say this tho I've only been in a handle full of sketchy situations and all of them involved black male clients.this is coming from a black girl who pretty much only dates men of color socially.its hard to ignore experience and statistics.
I don't discriminate based on race but my screening process is pretty vigorous. I use a three call system, two hour advance notice, don't see clients after midnight, dont do half hour sessions and never offer discounts.i research neighbohrhoods before outcalls and if im not feeling it for any reason I decline
I'm not in any battles with Stavros.... who cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dino Velvet
Oh, and henpecked generally means a man who is picked on by his wife or girlfriend....
Dino - you'll probably find Prisoners mild stuff indeed. I was watching it at four in the morning in a very uncomfortable seat on a jet out across the Atlantic, feeling tired but unable to sleep, dyspeptic after crap food and surrounded by sleeping strangers and feeling bad tempered. Might have contributed.
I'll give it a go. I ended up watching an ECW Wrestling TV show from 1998 last night until I nodded off. Was some good violent crap. Now that I have the film in my possession it is that much closer to the Blu-ray player. Baby stoner steps. I'll do the best I can to duplicate the atmosphere so I can really appreciate the film.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
Way to many sexy sensuous gurls out there who do in fact cater to all men for me to really care.
I just call it being scared of money
The "thugs" label don't help either lol
Hi Amber - I hope things are going well.Quote:
Originally Posted by amberskyi
Amber's point is right on. Her own experience says she needs to be very careful, in particular with one group. It is her right and her safety is foremost. Each person is an individual, but the culture they come from affects behavior.
We all should strive where guys are gentlemen and girls are ladies. Things would be a lot more fun for all of us.
Regardless of who a lady chooses to see, it is amazing that some on here are presuming to lecture an what an escort's criteria for clientele should be. As if it isn't the escort's livelihood and safety at stake.
The irony of this thread is that people are still commentating on a possibly racially insensitive statement years later, while there have been numerous prior and subsequent posts using vulgar, demeaning, objectifying language toward women (including the thread title itself) which have gone unchallenged.
There is little doubt that the two phenomena are related.
Anyone who runs a private business could be threatened by their clientele. And they have every right to use criteria directly related to the issue of safety to screen clients. What a lot of people don't accept is that African-American equals inherently dangerous or threatening.Quote:
Originally Posted by wiltthestilt
The people who think that having an automatic screen for people of one race is unfair are not engaging in a lecture any more than you are. They just have some understanding of why racial litmus tests are unjust.
Legally run businesses aren't allowed to exclude people based on race....ones that operate in the black market can. That doesn't mean it's any different in principle.
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Originally Posted by broncofan
No one said they were. Many ladies change their policy once they start screening. The point is that at some times and places it may be practical for a lady to screen based on race, and where and when that may be is a matter for her to decide, not you.Quote:
What a lot of people don't accept is that African-American equals inherently dangerous or threatening.
Here is where you are way off. You are analogizing sex to other forms private business. A woman's body is not a place of public accommodation. You have no expectation, legal or otherwise, to someone else's body. It does not matter if she's ostensibly making herself available to everyone on the planet but you. Words like "unfair" and "unjust" in this context are bullshit. Meaningless. A woman's right to choose her sexual partners is absolute, and any objection thereof is premised on nothing more than your own subjective feelings of entitlement.Quote:
The people who think that having an automatic screen for people of one race is unfair are not engaging in a lecture any more than you are. They just have some understanding of why racial litmus tests are unjust.
Oh, if you want to be technical, then an escort should be willing to "escort" clients regardless of race. But their is no--zilch, zero, none, nada--reason for you to expect sex apart from her telling you (verbally or otherwise) that she is willing to have sex with you. It is apropos that the title of this thread includes the phrase "bullshit ho" since it typifies the mindset that assumes the contrary.
Hi Wilt,
I'm glad you decided to post. I saw yesterday that you had spent quite a long time formulating an answer and then abandoned it (the info is available in our user profile).
The primary reason people screen is for safety. At least that's what you indicated when you said that it was the screener's safety and livelihood that were at stake. For race to be an appropriate screen, it would have to relate to one of these two factors. If African-Americans are not inherently dangerous, there would be no reason to screen based on race. My objection to using race as a screen is that it's wholly irrational. It excludes people who may be decent and kind and lets through others who might actually be dangerous.
It is also clear to me that your attempts to frame the debate in terms of woman's rights are disingenuous. Insofar as money is being accepted for sex, sex is being commoditized. You might then argue that you think women are being exploited and you think prostitution is immoral. But your initial justification for supporting the exclusion of African-Americans had nothing to do with preference for partners and was based on safety.
Also disingenuous are your complaints about misogynistic terms being used. You could have started a thread about it but your intent was to dilute the charge of racism and not to actually discuss sexism. If you would like to discuss sexism, take it seriously as an issue in its own right and don't use it as a tool to trivialize racism.
I love how you think I'm African-American and have feelings of entitlement. That actually makes the argument and your racism all the more laughably bearable.Quote:
Originally Posted by wiltthestilt
Even tho sex being commoditized its still a human being that your dealing with and not a thing.you break or cause injury to an object you can scrap it and get a knew one.it doesn't work so simply with people.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
As an escort we have to put our safety and health before all else. For example, I don't like to be fingered by clients because most guys don't know how to engage in anal play safely and I have gotten hemorrhoids from anal strain.If I lose a client over it oh well, my anus is more important lol.
I imagine that the girls who screen based on race feel the same way.they could care less about the racial/political implications cause they feel safer.
money isn't an all access pass for everyone and everything.people who think that way are bad clientele.
Fair enough. But this is a good reason to exclude individuals but not entire races of people. Sex is a very personal thing. But I imagine that escorts are having sex with people they wouldn't have sex with unless the person paid. I understand how an escort can look at someone who doesn't take care of themselves or who treats a girl with disrespect and decide that they won't have sex with that person for any amount of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by amberskyi
But why would someone have this rule of exclusion based only on heritage? They must be connecting up that background with some very unsavory characteristics. I accept that maybe the employment example is bad because even if people are having sex for money it is very personal. But why does personal choice always come down to saying no people with this coloring or that religion?
To play devils advocate (i personally don't screen based on race) but a girl who did could feel vindicated considering the majority of violent crime in this country is committed by African Americans.let me know if you need statistical proof ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
And if Jewish people were engaged in more than their share of financial crime would that justify barring them wholesale from any professional accreditation associated with finance? The point is not that I think every group has a proportional representation for every type of crime, but that there are better proxies than race. Even screening based on subjective factors such as whether they were polite would be more likely effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by amberskyi
I'm curious about this proof. Because maybe I was misled into believing that the incarceration rate of minorites was SIGNIFICANTLY higher due to erroneous charges,drugs and three strikes. I was always saw more documentation on white violent offenders than any other cultural backdrop in the states though hispanics are on the rise.Quote:
Originally Posted by amberskyi
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Originally Posted by broncofan
African Americans don't have to be "inherently dangerous" in order for it be appropriate to screen. If, for whatever reason, the escort is under the impression that Black men are more likely to be dangerous, or a nuisance, or what-have-you, then it is appropriate for them to screen.Quote:
If African-Americans are not inherently dangerous, there would be no reason to screen based on race.
You have no clue if this is true. You are assuming this. Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't. Maybe it is true in some places and not others. I would leave it to person who is in the room waiting for a stranger to make that decision.Quote:
My objection to using race as a screen is that it's wholly irrational.
Which still doesn't make it irrational.Quote:
It excludes people who may be decent and kind and lets through others who might actually be dangerous.
Bullshit. I was knocking down the facile argument you alluded to that sex can be analogized to serving someone at a lunch counter or some other example.Quote:
It is also clear to me that your attempts to frame the debate in terms of woman's rights are disingenuous.
Women can have sex for whatever reason they want. Just because they sell it to Jeff across the street doesn't mean they have to sell you it to you. I never said prostitution is immoral and I can't imagine why you would assume that I would. Because a women chooses to be a prostitute doesn't make her an object or her body a place of public accommodation.Quote:
Insofar as money is being accepted for sex, sex is being commoditized. You might then argue that you think women are being exploited and you think prostitution is immoral
You are talking about two different things. (1) what may be a rational reason that an escort would screen based on race. (2) whether it is "unjust" for an escort to exclude any person for even an irrational reason. Even if the escort's reason is wholly irrational, it doesn't make her actions "unjust" as there is no reasonable expectation, ever, that a woman will have sex with you, and her working as an escort does not create one. Sex can't be wholly commoditized as it is not severable from the individual offering the service. This is what you don't seem (or want to) get.Quote:
But your initial justification for supporting the exclusion of African-Americans had nothing to do with preference for partners and was based on safety.
I'm not going to start a separate thread as it is directly relevant to this thread. Because the underlying purpose of threads like this one (which appear frequently on boards which discuss escorting) is to bully and embarrass women into doing what you want. And often, smear words like racism are used liberally. And yes, the denigrating language used toward women on this thread and underlying premise of the thread are not an accident. They spring from the same mindset.Quote:
Also disingenuous are your complaints about misogynistic terms being used. You could have started a thread about it but your intent was to dilute the charge of racism and not to actually discuss sexism. If you would like to discuss sexism, take it seriously as an issue in its own right and don't use it as a tool to trivialize racism.
You find it laughable because it went right over your head. I said those who expect an escort to service them based on fairness (not necessarily AA's and many AA's don't feel as such) are premising this notion wholly on a sense of entitlement. Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan